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Post by Ilson Brewer on Apr 22, 2024 7:34:03 GMT
It’s amazing how after one win people seem to now have changed their mind. Tactically the guy is clueless. The football bar Saturday first half has been awful. If we stay up it is down to how poor the other teams are. A more capable manager would have got more out of that squad. We are light upfront but there is some quality in there. Chronically underused and played out of positions. For me, let him go. And appoint someone who has experience but is hungry to progress. I don’t understand the logic in saying we’ve only stayed up because teams have been worse than us? Isn’t that always the case, and you can say that about teams winning leagues, cups etc. We’ll have stayed up because we we have gathered more points than the teams below us. Last week it was between us and two other teams and MP deserves credit for that. 6 points from 9 in the last week is good going for any club. I agree, Bob - the logic works both ways; (assuming results go our way this week) we were better then than the four teams who finished below us and by the same argument, they were worse than us. It's a glass half empty thing I suppose. I guess what it FEELS like is that we have been extremely fortunate that the other teams have performed so badly this season and that we have been reliant to a large extent (and still remain so until Tue / Sat) on the performances of other team. I think most of us would prefer to be in a situation where our place in the table has looked more like our own doing. But logically, and factually, I cant fault your argument. Should we stick with Martin? It doesn't matter what we think, so that's a pointless argument too.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 22, 2024 7:46:34 GMT
I can only say, after the vitriol in the aftermath of the shocking Cheltenham loss in midweek, most of you are incredibly forgiving
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Post by superbrewer on Apr 22, 2024 8:13:16 GMT
The thing is ,should we keep him for next season and we start the season badly ,then decide to relieve him of his duties we will be in the same predicament as when we made him manager.A new manager will be stuck with what players he has signed during the close season,and going on what he signed back in January doesn't fill me with much confidence.How much his hands were tied as to who he could bring in we will never know.
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Post by annable on Apr 22, 2024 8:26:00 GMT
The issue for me is that the fan base have been so anti MP for the last few weeks or so that i'm not sure it can be turned round. If we start badly next season, whatever division we are in, it will become toxic quickly. Also, notice that he said his family did not attend on Saturday for the first time and I wondered whether they have struggled with some of the abuse slung at MP after recent games. If his family aren't comfortable at the Pirelli then my guess he may walk away regardless of what Ben wants to do. Could just be an amicable parting after next Saturday.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 22, 2024 8:37:08 GMT
The issue for me is that the fan base have been so anti MP for the last few weeks or so that i'm not sure it can be turned round. If we start badly next season, whatever division we are in, it will become toxic quickly. Also, notice that he said his family did not attend on Saturday for the first time and I wondered whether they have struggled with some of the abuse slung at MP after recent games. If his family aren't comfortable at the Pirelli then my guess he may walk away regardless of what Ben wants to do. Could just be an amicable parting after next Saturday. I noticed he didn’t wave at anyone as he usually has done before the start. Some of the chanting has been horrible and for kids to hear it is not a pleasant thought.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 22, 2024 8:55:05 GMT
We've compared to many other clubs got a very patient and forgiving fanbase. So for things to have gotten so toxic isn't without reason, whether acceptable or not. It's not just him though.
I think for us as well as Martin a parting of the ways would be best. He's still only very young and will likely get other opportunities in the future, and he's pretty much guaranteed work if and when Duff gets another job.
As I said in another post, I feel that a bad start next season with him in the role, he wouldn't get much leeway with the fans and probably Ben either, but at the same time he could shock us and get us promoted, you just don't know, but the signs thus far haven't been encouraging.
I think we just need to see if we stay up first.
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Post by insideleft on Apr 22, 2024 8:56:55 GMT
Yes his wife and kids sit up behind the VP seats. I noticed his wife left with the kids before the end of the Cheltenham game. The family weren’t there Saturday. Nobody should have to endure that sort of vitriol. It only happens at football.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 22, 2024 15:15:00 GMT
Neill Collins sacked at Barnsley today (despite being in the play off positions), that opens the door for Duff/Paterson.
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 22, 2024 15:21:39 GMT
Neill Collins sacked at Barnsley today (despite being in the play off positions), that opens the door for Duff/Paterson. Wow. Their loss at Blackpool must have been bad then. Technically they can be caught by 3 teams so might miss out on the play offs. Bold move.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 22, 2024 17:18:19 GMT
Neill Collins sacked at Barnsley today (despite being in the play off positions), that opens the door for Duff/Paterson. Thinking back a few weeks, wasn't it Barnsley fans who were jeering etc in the first half at the Pirelli? Tough crowd. Still, I know sheep who are forever slagging off Paul Warne for being useless. To tie it up, I think Brewers fans have genuinely had something to get angry about this season. I was a big Dino fan but it was atrocious just before he was sacked. And for me it's got worse.
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Post by melymoss on Apr 22, 2024 19:33:19 GMT
It’s a tough one for Ben. I’m still of the same opinion that MP walked into a poor squad that had been depleted further and wasn’t really given any kind of backing to go out and bring better players in. Obviously none of us know what has gone on behind the scenes but everything has pointed towards cost cutting in this second half of the season. Like I’ve said before I don’t know if MP is a good manager or not but if he keeps us up he’s done the job he was brought in to do so good luck to him whichever way things turn out. He bought in Hudlin, Hackford and Adebomi. Tells you what you need to know about how not to form a strike force. He did bring players in He wanted. I would not trust him with a whole squad at all But was he given much choice on the level of player he could sign. As I said he walked straight into a cost cutting club. I don’t know all the facts but Ben needed to cut the wage bill and also recoup as much money as he could from the Josh Walker debacle to do his best to balance the books. MP had to bring players in to make up the squad numbers but i honestly think the money he was given was enough to afford them type of players. Nothing against them they are young and on their first steps to hopefully a good career but I’d be very surprised if we’re paying them anything like a normal league one wage. We can argue about this for years to come but I’m pretty certain if MP was given any real kind of backing the young kids wouldn’t be here.
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Post by cbh1 on Apr 22, 2024 20:25:16 GMT
He bought in Hudlin, Hackford and Adebomi. Tells you what you need to know about how not to form a strike force. He did bring players in He wanted. I would not trust him with a whole squad at all But was he given much choice on the level of player he could sign. As I said he walked straight into a cost cutting club. I don’t know all the facts but Ben needed to cut the wage bill and also recoup as much money as he could from the Josh Walker debacle to do his best to balance the books. MP had to bring players in to make up the squad numbers but i honestly think the money he was given was enough to afford them type of players. Nothing against them they are young and on their first steps to hopefully a good career but I’d be very surprised if we’re paying them anything like a normal league one wage. We can argue about this for years to come but I’m pretty certain if MP was given any real kind of backing the young kids wouldn’t be here. Let’s not forget we also had Lubala until late in the window when he opted to down tools and leave despite the offer of a 75% increase. We also brought in Leko who is reasonably experienced but who got a serious injury five minutes into his debut. Now I don’t know for a fact but it would not surprise me if the budget was hampered by still having to make a contribution to his costs (his name has appeared in the squad list since January) seeing as he was injured whilst on loan to us.. Not saying that either are prolific but if both had been available I think we would have scored enough goals in games to have been safe before now.
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Apr 22, 2024 20:37:34 GMT
But was he given much choice on the level of player he could sign. As I said he walked straight into a cost cutting club. I don’t know all the facts but Ben needed to cut the wage bill and also recoup as much money as he could from the Josh Walker debacle to do his best to balance the books. MP had to bring players in to make up the squad numbers but i honestly think the money he was given was enough to afford them type of players. Nothing against them they are young and on their first steps to hopefully a good career but I’d be very surprised if we’re paying them anything like a normal league one wage. We can argue about this for years to come but I’m pretty certain if MP was given any real kind of backing the young kids wouldn’t be here. Let’s not forget we also had Lubala until late in the window when he opted to down tools and leave despite the offer of a 75% increase. We also brought in Leko who is reasonably experienced but who got a serious injury five minutes into his debut. Now I don’t know for a fact but it would not surprise me if the budget was hampered by still having to make a contribution to his costs (his name has appeared in the squad list since January) seeing as he was injured whilst on loan to us.. Not saying that either are prolific but if both had been available I think we would have scored enough goals in games to have been safe before now. Leko, massive for me. I think I said so at the time. Lubala, meh. But, in comparison to what we had left...
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Post by cbh1 on Apr 22, 2024 20:46:08 GMT
Agreed Ian.
Lubala was ok and had scored six by the time he left. I suspect he would have added another three or four before the end of the season and quite possibly got into double figures for the season. Was it MP's fault that Bez (or his agent) when chasing after even more money?
If Leko doesnt get injured, I dont think we even look at signing Hudlin. If you then pair Hugill or Mola with one of those two to share the burden up front I think we get more than having to ask them to share the brunt of the workload as lone strikers which hasnt suited them.
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Post by colstoncrawford on Apr 23, 2024 10:11:27 GMT
Agreed Ian. Lubala was ok and had scored six by the time he left. I suspect he would have added another three or four before the end of the season and quite possibly got into double figures for the season. Was it MP's fault that Bez (or his agent) when chasing after even more money? If Leko doesnt get injured, I dont think we even look at signing Hudlin. If you then pair Hugill or Mola with one of those two to share the burden up front I think we get more than having to ask them to share the brunt of the workload as lone strikers which hasnt suited them. Such fine margins. I've said before, the pass to Leko arrives half a yard shorter (and you can't really judge that half-yard when you make the pass) or he is half a yard ahead from his starting point and he reaches the ball and scores instead of getting injured. Awful luck.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 23, 2024 15:34:35 GMT
Agreed Ian. Lubala was ok and had scored six by the time he left. I suspect he would have added another three or four before the end of the season and quite possibly got into double figures for the season. Was it MP's fault that Bez (or his agent) when chasing after even more money? If Leko doesnt get injured, I dont think we even look at signing Hudlin. If you then pair Hugill or Mola with one of those two to share the burden up front I think we get more than having to ask them to share the brunt of the workload as lone strikers which hasnt suited them. Such fine margins. I've said before, the pass to Leko arrives half a yard shorter (and you can't really judge that half-yard when you make the pass) or he is half a yard ahead from his starting point and he reaches the ball and scores instead of getting injured. Awful luck. But don’t you usually make your own luck in football Colston?
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Post by 11railwaycuttings on Apr 27, 2024 13:34:53 GMT
He should be sacked now along with the coaching staff supporting him! It’s been an utter shambles from start to finish. Get John Coleman in to sort this mess out.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 27, 2024 13:37:07 GMT
Sack him!! Right now!
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Post by popsidepete59 on Apr 27, 2024 13:41:32 GMT
Cannot disagree with the last 2 posts. If you can't motivate a team in our position today, when can you
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Post by melymoss on Apr 27, 2024 14:22:17 GMT
Cannot disagree with the last 2 posts. If you can't motivate a team in our position today, when can you We’ve been bloody awful all season. Not just since January.
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