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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 8, 2024 13:15:56 GMT
I think we would have been all right with Gary and we would have been safe by now. Just starting to look all right. Gary Mills just wanted a little help. What a bummer.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 8, 2024 14:06:00 GMT
That's a worrying thought Sinfin, don't say things like that! We can all agree MP hasn't inherited a great squad, but he's managed to get the worst out of them. He's been very similar to Buxton, a deer in the headlights & completely out of his depth. Making horrific tactical mistakes more than anything, that have cost us points & resulted in some of the worst performances seen on the pitch in decades. To be given another opportunity he would have had to show something, a spark, a bit of managerial flair, but as yet we've not seen anything. Just confusion, delusion and an unwilling to learn from mistakes. Five at the back isn't working and he flat out refuses to change it. It's not worked out and we need to move on, he's obviously tried his hardest and lesser men would have walked away, but somethings aren't meant to be. He must have shown a spark , a bit of managerial flair or maybe he is dirt cheap Fred.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 8, 2024 14:10:11 GMT
I don't see any future with MP anymore I have to say and even if by some miracle he turned it round in the last 4 games I think the damage is already done. I think every word he says now is jumped upon and in some cases twisted and he can't do right for doing wrong now regardless. I listened to his interview after the game(and have just listened again before typing this) and in actual fact he didn't criticise the fans he just said the atmosphere isn't great given the nature of the first goal and also recent results. That is an absolute fact and I don't think he has said anything insulting, not as far as i'm concerned, just telling it how it is. That said it's been jumped on as a criticism of the fans when really it wasn't it was just stating facts. It's worrying when he says that some players don't seem to realise that we are in a relegation battle which is remarkable. They are either thick or not bothered. I think some are looking towards the end of the season and their own futures so aren't bothered either way. Player agents will be kicking into action trying to get the out of contract players fixed up with better deals so they can get their fees no doubt. The chairman has been brilliant for this club over many years and has backed all managers but you have to say that he hasn't had many difficult decisions to make over managers until the last few years i.e. Bucko onwards, where it's been plain sailing with relative low expectations and the managers from Clough(both spells) and those in between have been very successful in the main. Even Pesch was decent until the second half of season three. I think that he is well outside of his comfort zone now and a bit out of his depth with knowing how to play this. His gut feeling is always to give a young manager a chance and he would hate to have to pull the rug from under MP after so few games but the facts are that these last 10 games have been a disaster and he has taken us from a position of relative comfort to one of being on the brink with some really crap team about to overtake us. That's unacceptable albeit with some mitigating reasons i.e. January transfer fiasco. I think the other thing with MP is that he doesn't appear to have tried to implement any new ideas and we are playing almost exactly the same as we did under Dino but much worse and without the players to do it. Our only attacking option is playing for long throws and we're not particularly good at that anymore(if we ever were) and having started conceding goals from these positions or "transition" as it's known in modern day football. If somebody had told you when MP was appointed that before the season ended the boys behind the goal would chant Dino's name(Ok, might have been sarcastically) then you wouldn't have believed it. I actually like the idea of replacing MP with John Coleman as I think he would be a perfect fit for us and if we end up going down I would back him to get us a least a top half finish next season as he knows the lower leagues and also, as important, would get us playing a better brand of football. Lots for Ben to think about but it looks like he's sitting tight until the end of the season. Coleman would sell a few season tickets too!
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 8, 2024 15:09:52 GMT
Losing 7 home games on the trot is that a club record. I bet you would have to go a long way back to beat that. Can't remember Buxton losing that many. Paterson got around about 11 points from 18 games. Last time Burton won at home was against Charlton in January. Just a quick count down. Now that doesn't sound so bad. ðŸ˜
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 8, 2024 15:32:00 GMT
Coleman is my choice for our next manager. Looking at his resume he's perfect for us. He ticks a lot of boxes.
I think he'd build us back up and is someone that within a couple of seasons could get us challenging for L1 again (if we go down). He had a very similar squad at Accrington for a number of years, on what would've been a smaller budget than us. His win ratio over the years is slightly over 40% and that's with Accrington x2, Ashton United, Rochdale and Southport, for comparison it's near identical to Nigel Clough's over a similar number of games (big budgets at Sheff Utd/Mansfield too).
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Post by craig1 on Apr 8, 2024 16:24:52 GMT
Should have made the change after the Carlisle (home) defeat.
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Post by luke on Apr 8, 2024 17:16:06 GMT
Disappointing morning. Any other club in the football league would have acted by now And there’s actually proof of that too, Wealdstone sacked their manager David Noble yesterday after he was appointed only three months ago. Obviously not an EFL club but reading some of their fans comments, described Noble as out of his depth really, so very similar to our situation
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 8, 2024 19:23:53 GMT
Disappointing morning. Any other club in the football league would have acted by now And there’s actually proof of that too, Wealdstone sacked their manager David Noble yesterday after he was appointed only three months ago. Obviously not an EFL club but reading some of their fans comments, described Noble as out of his depth really, so very similar to our situation Seems like the Burton Albion board want Burton to go down. But why? It's not going to be any cheaper in Division 2. If Burton drop into the National League that will be very expensive to get out of that league. I can't make sense of it. It's madnes.
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Apr 8, 2024 20:39:05 GMT
And there’s actually proof of that too, Wealdstone sacked their manager David Noble yesterday after he was appointed only three months ago. Obviously not an EFL club but reading some of their fans comments, described Noble as out of his depth really, so very similar to our situation Seems like the Burton Albion board want Burton to go down. But why? It's not going to be any cheaper in Division 2. If Burton drop into the National League that will be very expensive to get out of that league. I can't make sense of it. It's madnes. So not sacking a manager with 4 games to go is proof that the board want to get relegated? And the evidence of that being accurate that highly successful club over the years Wealdstone. Gosh. Maybe the Chairman/board have realised the potential futility of trying to bring in someone with 4 games to go. Especially some of the fanciful names bandied about.
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 9, 2024 5:50:48 GMT
Seems like the Burton Albion board want Burton to go down. But why? It's not going to be any cheaper in Division 2. If Burton drop into the National League that will be very expensive to get out of that league. I can't make sense of it. It's madnes. So not sacking a manager with 4 games to go is proof that the board want to get relegated? And the evidence of that being accurate that highly successful club over the years Wealdstone. Gosh. Maybe the Chairman/board have realised the potential futility of trying to bring in someone with 4 games to go. Especially some of the fanciful names bandied about. But it is not 4 games to go. This is been going on since February.
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 9, 2024 7:54:32 GMT
I know we'll never compete with Derby off the pitch, ever, just thinking of those casual supporters for maybe next season. I know a few who visit the Pirelli as well as Pride Park, they ain't going to come to Burton much if they are watching Championship football (maybe) down the road next season.
Just more thoughts really of our situation, we need all the support we can get right now but it's only going one way. MPs going to get the hook, probably a gentleman's agreement in place that he's been given until the end of the season, probably been mentioned too. Of course it could have turned out very different results wise, saying what most of us already know really.
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Post by Ilson Brewer on Apr 9, 2024 8:59:37 GMT
I know we'll never compete with Derby off the pitch, ever, just thinking of those casual supporters for maybe next season. I know a few who visit the Pirelli as well as Pride Park, they ain't going to come to Burton much if they are watching Championship football (maybe) down the road next season. Just more thoughts really of our situation, we need all the support we can get right now but it's only going one way. MPs going to get the hook, probably a gentleman's agreement in place that he's been given until the end of the season, probably been mentioned too. Of course it could have turned out very different results wise, saying what most of us already know really. I see the Derby thing a bit differently. We have always had a few Derby fans on the gate at Burton and many who have traditionally supported both teams. Playing in the same league as Derby causes problems for those people. The sooner we are are no longer bothered by the sheep worriers the better.
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Post by superbrewer on Apr 9, 2024 9:58:15 GMT
Totally agree with you Ilson, once we are in a different league to Derby we will hopefully see a few Derby fans coming to watch us next season assuming we don't keep turning out the garbage which we have been doing for the last year or so.
As for Pato I would expect him to be here until the end of the season, being as nothing happened yesterday , no point changing now.
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Post by annable on Apr 17, 2024 7:09:57 GMT
After last night most definitely yes. Two games to go and I would give it to John Brayford(who might not be playing in both) and let him and the players sort it out themselves. Maybe get Gary Mills to assist him but Paterson and Dreyer should be relieved of their duties this morning as only somebody completely unhinged would have them anywhere near the playing side of things for next season so why not cut ties now? MP's words are clearly falling on deaf ears and there is no evidence of any coaching going on, that's effective at least. To say we all thought Dino was limited but this guy's taken it to another level of incompetence.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 17, 2024 7:20:50 GMT
It’s interesting that you have included John Dreyer in there annable. A bit part player at best. Can I ask why? Not that I disagree with much of it. Also did anyone listen to John Brayford’s ‘team of his 600 appearances’ on Radio Derby last night? He picked Shaun Barker as joint captain and said he was the sort of player you wanted with you on a cold, wet Tuesday night at an away ground many miles away. Could Barks do a job for us short term?
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Post by annable on Apr 17, 2024 7:26:11 GMT
It’s interesting that you have included John Dreyer in there annable. A bit part player at best. Can I ask why? Not that I disagree with much of it. Also did anyone listen to John Brayford’s ‘team of his 600 appearances’ on Radio Derby last night? He picked Shaun Barker as joint captain and said he was the sort of player you wanted with you on a cold, wet Tuesday night at an away ground many miles away. Could Barks do a job for us short term? No real reason, Mikey, other than he has been in situ with both Dino and MP all this season so perhaps i've made him guilty by association. Gary Mills was there also but for less time than Dreyer but looking back did show signs of being able to steady the ship in between the two permanent managers. Good shout re Shaun Barker and if JB is saying that sort of thing about him then that's good enough for me. Both have the club at heart so could make a difference in these last two games. Let's give it a go!!
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 17, 2024 7:26:46 GMT
I agree Annable. I still think under Dino we would've struggled but I think he would've just done enough to get us over the line, unless the behind the scenes stuff had left Ben with no choice.
I can't fathom how he's still in the job. I've never seen our fanbase so united in the fact they want a manager out of the door.
As I've said elsewhere he's out of contract very soon, what have we really got to lose by making a change? If Ben had appointment him on a longer deal then I could understand his dithering a little more.
If he remains in charge expect another week of 'brilliant training' and a horror show on Saturday.
I'm not for player power, but I wish a few of the senior lads were knocking on Ben's door this morning and giving him a gentle nudge.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 17, 2024 7:41:54 GMT
I agree Annable. I still think under Dino we would've struggled but I think he would've just done enough to get us over the line, unless the behind the scenes stuff had left Ben with no choice. I can't fathom how he's still in the job. I've never seen our fanbase so united in the fact they want a manager out of the door. As I've said elsewhere he's out of contract very soon, what have we really got to lose by making a change? If Ben had appointment him on a longer deal then I could understand his dithering a little more. If he remains in charge expect another week of 'brilliant training' and a horror show on Saturday. I'm not for player power, but I wish a few of the senior lads were knocking on Ben's door this morning and giving him a gentle nudge. I must confess Fred, I was shocked to hear ‘Martin Paterson get out of our club’ ringing from the Don Amott stand last night. They couldn’t have been clearer.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 17, 2024 7:50:48 GMT
Given how much faith he's shown him so far, I think I'm more worried that if we stay up he'll still be in charge next season than if we go down.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 17, 2024 7:59:09 GMT
I suspect here's here until end of the season and then, whatever happens, we'll "part company" and be starting again in the summer
lets hope we get it right next time
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