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Post by sinfinbovril on Mar 23, 2024 18:38:04 GMT
Until I read the comments in the Port Vale thread, it had never occurred to me that this was an option.
MP was supposed to be a new broom. He's not changed a thing since he came in. There is no evidence at all that a new manager has been employed at Burton Albion this season, if you go on results and formations.
Thoughts?
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Post by Ilson Brewer on Mar 23, 2024 18:40:20 GMT
Until I read the comments in the Port Vale thread, it had never occurred to me that this was an option. MP was supposed to be a new broom. He's not changed a thing since he came in. There is no evidence at all that a new manager has been employed at Burton Albion this season, if you go on results and formations. Thoughts? I don’t care.
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Post by rhys0204 on Mar 23, 2024 18:40:41 GMT
We're going down with him at the helm. He's on peanuts and on a deal that expires soon anyway. Might as well try our luck with someone who isn't incompetent.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Mar 23, 2024 18:45:53 GMT
Anybody who will put their hand up and say 'Ben, I'll try something different to try and keep us up.'
Surely the players aren't happy with the situation? If the vast majority of fans can see the wide open issues.
I wanted Paterson to do well, he talks a good game & seems passionate, but his tactical approach, which mirrors Dino to near identical levels, will take us down.
Surely if Martin had told Ben how he intended to play/formation & style, any sensible person would've thrown him out of the meeting. Did he spin Ben a line?
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Mar 23, 2024 18:46:36 GMT
No.
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Post by insideleft on Mar 23, 2024 18:56:58 GMT
Ditto. No.
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Post by superbrewer on Mar 23, 2024 18:58:06 GMT
Until I read the comments in the Port Vale thread, it had never occurred to me that this was an option. MP was supposed to be a new broom. He's not changed a thing since he came in. There is no evidence at all that a new manager has been employed at Burton Albion this season, if you go on results and formations. Thoughts? I don’t care. And neither do the players.
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Post by mikeyboy on Mar 23, 2024 19:03:15 GMT
I have said many times that I don’t think it is entirely Martin’s fault, in many ways he accepted a poisoned chalice as the decision had been made to shed our experienced strike force and bring Premier League kids in with the parent club paying their wages. If you remember we had the saga of Gary Rowett potentially coming in, then not, then maybe, then not, but it didn’t ever materialise, probably because he knew what was happening and knew he couldn’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Neil Warnock was possibly available ‘in February’ when the transfer window had shut so he didn’t have to carry the can for what was happening. We lost Nigel Clough because he wasn’t prepared to put up with cost cutting and penny pinching any longer but we are where we are, we are Burton Albion, a tiny club, with a National League ground and support base. What we need is a young, well connected coach, who ‘gets’ where we are at and is prepared to work incredibly hard to work another football miracle. I had hoped it might be Martin, but after today it probably isn’t going to be and so we need to roll the dice again quickly or try a different strategy altogether, where the manager is properly backed like they always were until we tumbled out of the Championship.
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Post by staffbrewer1950 on Mar 23, 2024 19:19:00 GMT
Sooner the better.
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Post by kelton on Mar 23, 2024 20:32:26 GMT
Well things are bad if we want to sack our manager with a few games to go. Big call that and there is no obvious saviour out there Suggest we all calm down and give the Gaffa a chance
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Post by luke on Mar 23, 2024 21:36:37 GMT
I think at this point just get to the end of the season. I doubt Ben will want another compensation package for a sacked manager like with Dino. Who would we actually get in if he was sacked? Gary Mills as an interim again? Warnock until the end of the season?
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Post by bennyboy on Mar 23, 2024 21:45:48 GMT
"I doubt Ben will want another compensation package for a sacked manager like with Dino"
AFAIK Paterson hasn't got a contract, he has been given the job (on trial) until the end of the season. So I guess no big pay off or indeed claims of I want compensation can be had, well I hope not.
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Post by luke on Mar 24, 2024 7:41:24 GMT
"I doubt Ben will want another compensation package for a sacked manager like with Dino" AFAIK Paterson hasn't got a contract, he has been given the job (on trial) until the end of the season. So I guess no big pay off or indeed claims of I want compensation can be had, well I hope not. I wasn’t aware of that tbh, I just assumed he would have some kind of contract that they would have to pay a way out of, but it’s a bold decision either way 100%
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Post by stapenhill1953 on Mar 24, 2024 9:05:15 GMT
I have some sympathy for the manager he has inherited a weak squad especially in mid-field and the players brought in up front are simply not good enough. In saying that he has stuck with a system that is clearly not working. He could have thought out of the box yesterday - we are crying out for some physical presence up front! I would have brought Hughes on either up front or swapped him with Sweeney and put him up there to rattle there defenders who were having an easy game!! What I will say is that he had the balls to face the fans at the end of the game - he could have disappeared down the tunnel. I cannot see him being replaced now but he needs to drastically alter the way he sets the team up !!
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Post by bennyboy on Mar 24, 2024 10:43:42 GMT
I have some sympathy for the manager he has inherited a weak squad especially in mid-field and the players brought in up front are simply not good enough. In saying that he has stuck with a system that is clearly not working. He could have thought out of the box yesterday - we are crying out for some physical presence up front! I would have brought Hughes on either up front or swapped him with Sweeney and put him up there to rattle there defenders who were having an easy game!! What I will say is that he had the balls to face the fans at the end of the game - he could have disappeared down the tunnel. I cannot see him being replaced now but he needs to drastically alter the way he sets the team up !! When Hughes stripped off, then reversed that procedure then eventually stripped off again, what was all that about? I thought he was coming on to push Sweeney up front as you suggest, didn't happen only at your usual set pieces or corners.
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Post by 11railwaycuttings on Mar 24, 2024 11:04:11 GMT
Yes
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Post by mikeyboy on Mar 24, 2024 12:03:57 GMT
I have some sympathy for the manager he has inherited a weak squad especially in mid-field and the players brought in up front are simply not good enough. In saying that he has stuck with a system that is clearly not working. He could have thought out of the box yesterday - we are crying out for some physical presence up front! I would have brought Hughes on either up front or swapped him with Sweeney and put him up there to rattle there defenders who were having an easy game!! What I will say is that he had the balls to face the fans at the end of the game - he could have disappeared down the tunnel. I cannot see him being replaced now but he needs to drastically alter the way he sets the team up !! When Hughes stripped off, then reversed that procedure then eventually stripped off again, what was all that about? I thought he was coming on to push Sweeney up front as you suggest, didn't happen only at your usual set pieces or corners. On 75 minutes, with Vale coming at us incessantly and looking likely to score anytime, I shouted ‘Get Hughes on’ and MP approx 10 yards away reacted more or less instantly and called for him. I don’t know what all the faffing was but we finally got him on in the 83rd, with Vale then having scored. It was just too little too late but I have never seen our back line as shaky as that in years or so much under the cosh. My grandson made the point that it was probably the fact we didn’t have Crocombe in goal.
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Post by benegoat on Mar 24, 2024 17:44:51 GMT
Nigel Clough came over yesterday after Mansfield's lunchtime kick of.? Was he just passing by or invited to have a chat with Ben after assessing the performance and atmosphere? You could imagine he is one of the people the Chairman turns to for advice on managers and footballing matters.
Nice to see Dylan Scott get some time on the pitch.
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Post by bartonyellow on Mar 25, 2024 19:43:00 GMT
I think if warnock is available then we should roll the dice. The squad is capable of staying up. 7 cup finals. If we do nothing I fear we are down before the fleetwood game. It’s as bad as it’s ever been at the moment. Obviously not in our history but certainly in my memory.
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Post by NobodyGood on Mar 25, 2024 21:41:38 GMT
Unfortunately, I think so. Can't see what we're doing or how we plan to win a game. It's not like we're producing chances and not scoring, nor are we strong defensively. There's so little positive to say.
And if we go down, I have very little hope we come back up. Could be a very ropey period for the club. Roll the dice on someone, anyone who's available, and hope for the best. League two feels inevitable as it stands.
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