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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 20, 2024 20:16:51 GMT
Maybe there is a bigger picture and several puzzling decisions will suddenly make sense. Including MP’s short term deal, getting big earners off the wage bill and the strange early deadline on season tickets.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 21, 2024 6:31:28 GMT
Please no.
The football has been terrible. Especially at home. We're only (possibly/probably) going to stay up because of others' results.
We played well yesterday - I've maintained all along we had a decent(-ish) set of players.
One game. Took him long enough....
Although at the back of my mind, there is always the fact I felt pretty much the same about Gary Rowett after the end of his caretaker half-season.
EDIT: Two hours later - never mind the Gary Rowett comment, anyone who sets up defensively against three teams in the bottom four is certainly not the man for me. I remember losing with Gary that season but giving it a go. Carlisle & Port Vale had massive losing streaks - they should've been ripped apart. No excuses. Certainly not after what we saw against Reading.
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Post by annable on Apr 21, 2024 7:12:30 GMT
Assuming we stay up this is a real 50/50 call for Ben. Another thing to take into consideration is whether he is likely to join Duff when he gets another job which you would expect to happen before next season starts. If that's the case make the change as soon as the season ends. We don't want a repeat of the JFH shenanigans for a couple of years ago which was an an absolute joke and lead to his demise.
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Post by strettonbrewer on Apr 21, 2024 8:13:18 GMT
His football and results are not sustainable.
The brand he's got players playing bar yesterday was terribly negative and isn't going to help us progress.
Make a change and give a manager the whole window to tweak their squad (I hope with stockton but that may not prevail)
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Post by everard on Apr 21, 2024 8:22:03 GMT
If we survive - and slightly more so if we win our last match at Fleetwood - I don't think MP will want to become a no2 again alongside Duff... He'll feel that with a full recruitment window and the opportunity to build his own team that he can be a successful no1 at Burton. He'll also believe that, if the club retains its League 1 membership he'll deserve the opportunity to be in charge in August... I also think Ben will feel he deserves the opportunity too... the home defeats, the poor performances, the eleventh hour survival will be forgotten in the relief and optimism of next season's blank sheet start to another League One campaign....
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 21, 2024 9:21:33 GMT
I wouldn't want to see him at the helm come the start of next season. It's got to be changed after the last game of this season for me. We don't know what the chairman has in mind do we?
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Post by melymoss on Apr 21, 2024 9:52:41 GMT
It’s a tough one for Ben. I’m still of the same opinion that MP walked into a poor squad that had been depleted further and wasn’t really given any kind of backing to go out and bring better players in. Obviously none of us know what has gone on behind the scenes but everything has pointed towards cost cutting in this second half of the season. Like I’ve said before I don’t know if MP is a good manager or not but if he keeps us up he’s done the job he was brought in to do so good luck to him whichever way things turn out.
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Post by Ilson Brewer on Apr 21, 2024 10:24:19 GMT
Some good points. It looks like he has done what he was brought here to do although only through the fortunate fact that there are four teams in the league worse than Burton Albion - amazing but it appears to be true (pending what happens next week).
If we are struggling with finances, then wouldn’t we be better off in a lower league? Or is the plan to give MP a decent budget in the summer to effectively re-build a squad that could compete and finish in mid-table mediocrity?
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Post by bobgauden on Apr 21, 2024 11:09:13 GMT
If he keeps us up he deserves his chance imo. That’s the top and bottom of it for me.
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Post by britty on Apr 21, 2024 11:31:00 GMT
Paterson should be in charge for next season. What struck me yesterday was how much the players are behind him. If he was as hopeless as most of us thought then that wouldn't be the case after this last few months.
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Post by melymoss on Apr 21, 2024 12:13:57 GMT
I honestly think MP has been made the scapegoat of what’s been a very poor season. He’s just walked into the club at a very tough time. If he stays or if he goes is between him and Ben.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 21, 2024 13:13:04 GMT
He may well have been a fall guy, but it's unquestionable that he's brought on a lot of this himself.
IF by some chance he does get retained, he needs some capable coaches & assistant manager alongside him. Whatever they've been coached over the last season and beyond is clearly not working. Hoof and hope.
This club & playing staff needs gutting over the off season (double figures on the released & transfer list), is he the man required to do that? I'm not so sure.
I'm very much in the new manager required camp, but more than expecting that not to happen, and another season of very poor football and struggle. Hope to be proven wrong, unlikely to be.
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Post by bobgauden on Apr 21, 2024 14:07:02 GMT
He may well have been a fall guy, but it's unquestionable that he's brought on a lot of this himself. IF by some chance he does get retained, he needs some capable coaches & assistant manager alongside him. Whatever they've been coached over the last season and beyond is clearly not working. Hoof and hope. This club & playing staff needs gutting over the off season (double figures on the released & transfer list), is he the man required to do that? I'm not so sure. I'm very much in the new manager required camp, but more than expecting that not to happen, and another season of very poor football and struggle. Hope to be proven wrong, unlikely to be. But we won’t know if he’s that guy unless we give him a chance?
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 21, 2024 14:24:32 GMT
He may well have been a fall guy, but it's unquestionable that he's brought on a lot of this himself. IF by some chance he does get retained, he needs some capable coaches & assistant manager alongside him. Whatever they've been coached over the last season and beyond is clearly not working. Hoof and hope. This club & playing staff needs gutting over the off season (double figures on the released & transfer list), is he the man required to do that? I'm not so sure. I'm very much in the new manager required camp, but more than expecting that not to happen, and another season of very poor football and struggle. Hope to be proven wrong, unlikely to be. But we won’t know if he’s that guy unless we give him a chance? Very true, although so far the signs aren't good, if only from from a playing & tactical perspective. He has to make huge changes to the squad and his footballing style if we are going to not be in an even bigger struggle next season though. Some very big spenders like Stockport, Wrexham and Mansfield replacing some smaller hitters like Carlisle and possibly Cheltenham, and some like for like swaps from the Championship. We can't be backs to the wall against everybody. Fair play to him and I wish him the best if he does but I don't think he'll get as much leeway if we start next season badly and playing a similar style. Five at the back has been our huge issue over the last few seasons, that has to be one of the big changes going forwards for us as a club, it does not work, and the vast majority of fans are sick of it. Good luck to him. I'd prefer it not to be him but we'll see over the next few weeks I'm sure.
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Post by luke on Apr 21, 2024 14:29:33 GMT
For me, if the players are behind him and the chairman trusts him, I don't mind. He definitely has things to improve on and I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few new backroom staff next season if he stays, but I would like to see what he can do with a semi-blank canvas in the summer personally
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 21, 2024 14:38:22 GMT
I certainly don't envy the task ahead for him if given the role.
Only around half a dozen or so of these lads should be around next season, if we stay up of course. Quite a few big names out of contract, a lot of loans to go back and some of the lads on two year deals that should be moved on, although some might be easier to let go than others.
The retained list would be a huge early indication of what may come and possibly a pivotal moment.
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Post by strettonbrewer on Apr 21, 2024 21:49:25 GMT
It’s a tough one for Ben. I’m still of the same opinion that MP walked into a poor squad that had been depleted further and wasn’t really given any kind of backing to go out and bring better players in. Obviously none of us know what has gone on behind the scenes but everything has pointed towards cost cutting in this second half of the season. Like I’ve said before I don’t know if MP is a good manager or not but if he keeps us up he’s done the job he was brought in to do so good luck to him whichever way things turn out. He bought in Hudlin, Hackford and Adebomi. Tells you what you need to know about how not to form a strike force. He did bring players in He wanted. I would not trust him with a whole squad at all
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 22, 2024 5:37:36 GMT
It’s a tough one for Ben. I’m still of the same opinion that MP walked into a poor squad that had been depleted further and wasn’t really given any kind of backing to go out and bring better players in. Obviously none of us know what has gone on behind the scenes but everything has pointed towards cost cutting in this second half of the season. Like I’ve said before I don’t know if MP is a good manager or not but if he keeps us up he’s done the job he was brought in to do so good luck to him whichever way things turn out. He bought in Hudlin, Hackford and Adebomi. Tells you what you need to know about how not to form a strike force. He did bring players in He wanted. I would not trust him with a whole squad at all Very good point. Just to add, he brought in these forwards and then hardly played them.
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 22, 2024 6:40:07 GMT
It’s amazing how after one win people seem to now have changed their mind. Tactically the guy is clueless. The football bar Saturday first half has been awful. If we stay up it is down to how poor the other teams are. A more capable manager would have got more out of that squad. We are light upfront but there is some quality in there. Chronically underused and played out of positions. For me, let him go. And appoint someone who has experience but is hungry to progress.
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Post by bobgauden on Apr 22, 2024 7:07:02 GMT
It’s amazing how after one win people seem to now have changed their mind. Tactically the guy is clueless. The football bar Saturday first half has been awful. If we stay up it is down to how poor the other teams are. A more capable manager would have got more out of that squad. We are light upfront but there is some quality in there. Chronically underused and played out of positions. For me, let him go. And appoint someone who has experience but is hungry to progress. I don’t understand the logic in saying we’ve only stayed up because teams have been worse than us? Isn’t that always the case, and you can say that about teams winning leagues, cups etc. We’ll have stayed up because we we have gathered more points than the teams below us. Last week it was between us and two other teams and MP deserves credit for that. 6 points from 9 in the last week is good going for any club.
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