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Post by Norah on Feb 3, 2019 20:51:28 GMT
When people start quoting statistics with regards to football matches I do tend to zone out. To me the only reason they are created is to provide fodder for pundits. To me, the only time they are relevant is when they state the bl**ding obvious, and the most they are used is to provide a headline to say the result was a surprise despite the statistics. Perhaps I am biased as I have a Doncaster fan frien who quotes them at me.... and having been at the match I don’t think they have any bearing on the game. To me goals scored are the only ones I look at.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:24:24 GMT
Wigan Finished 23rd with a goal diff of -17 only one side had a worse goal difference (rotherham) Our goal diff was -14 Dont wish to be pedantic Royston but your stats are a little out again.
Goal difference is a measure used if two teams finish level on points nothing else.
Wigan conceded 57 goals that season. Only 6 teams had a better defensive record.
We had this debate last season, obviously Warnock and Buxton were central to that defence.
How many posts does it need for you to keep telling us you don't or didn't rate JB. We get the message !
Tbh i dont see the relevance of this to the post? What is not in dispute or open to interpretation is this season Turner has started 18 league games and one as a sub and we won 8 of those games. Thats a 42 % win rate. No ifs buts or maybe. The clubs league win ratio is 30%. That tells me we should have kept Turner as he helped us win more games when he played than when he wasnt. Nothing to do with Buxton, Mcfaz, Brayford or anyone else . Is that not the case?
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Post by NobodyGood on Feb 3, 2019 23:27:22 GMT
When people start quoting statistics with regards to football matches I do tend to zone out. To me the only reason they are created is to provide fodder for pundits. To me, the only time they are relevant is when they state the bl**ding obvious, and the most they are used is to provide a headline to say the result was a surprise despite the statistics. Perhaps I am biased as I have a Doncaster fan frien who quotes them at me.... and having been at the match I don’t think they have any bearing on the game. To me goals scored are the only ones I look at. The top team in every professional league right now starts with the letter L. There's a stat for you. Hopefully we change our name... L'Burton Albion FC
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Post by cbh1 on Feb 3, 2019 23:33:33 GMT
Dont wish to be pedantic Royston but your stats are a little out again. Goal difference is a measure used if two teams finish level on points nothing else. Wigan conceded 57 goals that season. Only 6 teams had a better defensive record. We had this debate last season, obviously Warnock and Buxton were central to that defence. How many posts does it need for you to keep telling us you don't or didn't rate JB. We get the message !
Tbh i dont see the relevance of this to the post? What is not in dispute or open to interpretation is this season Turner has started 18 league games and one as a sub and we won 8 of those games. Thats a 42 % win rate. No ifs buts or maybe. The clubs league win ratio is 30%. That tells me we should have kept Turner as he helped us win more games when he played than when he wasnt. Nothing to do with Buxton, Mcfaz, Brayford or anyone else . Is that not the case? Relevance? You brought up the statement that we should not have signed Buxton and Warnock because they were part of a Wigan side that got relegated. Or do you have a short memory on that one? You were asked to back up that statement on at least two occasions but clearly ignored that request. Insideleft correctly, pointed out that the season Wigan got relegated they had a defensive record that was comfortably in the top half in the division. With Buxton and Warnock in that defence. The reason Wigan got relegated was that they struggled massively to score goals at the other end of the pitch with one of the worst scoring records in the division.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:48:01 GMT
Tbh i dont see the relevance of this to the post? What is not in dispute or open to interpretation is this season Turner has started 18 league games and one as a sub and we won 8 of those games. Thats a 42 % win rate. No ifs buts or maybe. The clubs league win ratio is 30%. That tells me we should have kept Turner as he helped us win more games when he played than when he wasnt. Nothing to do with Buxton, Mcfaz, Brayford or anyone else . Is that not the case? Relevance? You brought up the statement that we should not have signed Buxton and Warnock because they were part of a Wigan side that got relegated. Or do you have a short memory on that one? You were asked to back up that statement on at least two occasions but clearly ignored that request. Insideleft correctly, pointed out that the season Wigan got relegated they had a defensive record that was comfortably in the top half in the division. With Buxton and Warnock in that defence. The reason Wigan got relegated was that they struggled massively to score goals at the other end of the pitch with one of the worst scoring records in the division. I am aware of what i said but i still stand by the point i was making that we did not need to sign buxton or warnock we didnt need them our defence had kept us in the champ. What we needed was to keep the likes of Kightly and woodrow not change our established defence. We would not have gone down if we had done that. Finally bringing us back to the main purpose of this thread, do you accept the facts surrounding Turner about his apps this season his win ratio compared to that of the team as a whole?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:51:20 GMT
Relevance? You brought up the statement that we should not have signed Buxton and Warnock because they were part of a Wigan side that got relegated. Or do you have a short memory on that one? You were asked to back up that statement on at least two occasions but clearly ignored that request. Insideleft correctly, pointed out that the season Wigan got relegated they had a defensive record that was comfortably in the top half in the division. With Buxton and Warnock in that defence. The reason Wigan got relegated was that they struggled massively to score goals at the other end of the pitch with one of the worst scoring records in the division. I am aware of what i said but i still stand by the point i was making that we did not need to sign buxton or warnock we didnt need them our defence had kept us in the champ. What we needed was to keep the likes of Kightly and woodrow not change our established defence. We would not have gone down if we had done that. Finally bringing us back to the main purpose of this thread, do you accept the facts surrounding Turner about his apps this season his win ratio compared to that of the team as a whole? That is absolutely not what you said. You got it wrong, accept and move on.
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Post by insideleft on Feb 4, 2019 9:25:08 GMT
So I’m sitting here idling away an hour waiting for a delivery. I log in to the Forum and Royston is still banging on relentlessly!! Fair play though Royston you’re not this time being offensive, quoting untruths (arguable), deliberately provocative or posting under another name; simple rules enforced on many a football forum.
You’re talking football and sticking to the title of the thread.
Surely we all know we couldn’t keep Kightley or Woodrow they were offered significant financial 3 yr deals at other clubs. Kightley wanted to return to his home town of Southend. That debate is dead and long finished.
Back to your stats as you request above. They are just flawed and without being offensive in any way show nothing. There is no real stat you can use to prove what I think you are trying to prove. You don’t compare like with like, it’s too small a sample, they don’t account for home/away opposition and the 8 draws we’ve had etc etc ……….
You say Albion have a 30% win rate. We’ve played 30 won 10 that’s 33%. I think when you came up with your stats it may have been 28 games which is about 36% in my head. So am I going to check your 42% Ben Turner win rate ? .................assuming an error margin of 6%..........no…………. it just shows nothing.
You need to move on, like Ben Turner has.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 9:37:37 GMT
So I’m sitting here idling away an hour waiting for a delivery. I log in to the Forum and Royston is still banging on relentlessly!! Fair play though Royston you’re not this time being offensive, quoting untruths (arguable), deliberately provocative or posting under another name; simple rules enforced on many a football forum. You’re talking football and sticking to the title of the thread. Surely we all know we couldn’t keep Kightley or Woodrow they were offered significant financial 3 yr deals at other clubs. Kightley wanted to return to his home town of Southend. That debate is dead and long finished. Back to your stats as you request above. They are just flawed and without being offensive in any way show nothing. There is no real stat you can use to prove what I think you are trying to prove. You don’t compare like with like, it’s too small a sample, they don’t account for home/away opposition and the 8 draws we’ve had etc etc ………. You say Albion have a 30% win rate. We’ve played 30 won 10 that’s 33%. I think when you came up with your stats it may have been 28 games which is about 36% in my head. So am I going to check your 42%.................assuming an error margin of 6%..........no…………. it just shows nothing. You need to move on, like Ben Turner has. I want to click like so badly it's almost love. In light of the arguing it's probably not right that I do.
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Post by NobodyGood on Feb 4, 2019 10:24:54 GMT
So I’m sitting here idling away an hour waiting for a delivery. I log in to the Forum and Royston is still banging on relentlessly!! Fair play though Royston you’re not this time being offensive, quoting untruths (arguable), deliberately provocative or posting under another name; simple rules enforced on many a football forum. You’re talking football and sticking to the title of the thread. Surely we all know we couldn’t keep Kightley or Woodrow they were offered significant financial 3 yr deals at other clubs. Kightley wanted to return to his home town of Southend. That debate is dead and long finished. Back to your stats as you request above. They are just flawed and without being offensive in any way show nothing. There is no real stat you can use to prove what I think you are trying to prove. You don’t compare like with like, it’s too small a sample, they don’t account for home/away opposition and the 8 draws we’ve had etc etc ………. You say Albion have a 30% win rate. We’ve played 30 won 10 that’s 33%. I think when you came up with your stats it may have been 28 games which is about 36% in my head. So am I going to check your 42% Ben Turner win rate ? .................assuming an error margin of 6%..........no…………. it just shows nothing. You need to move on, like Ben Turner has. I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 12:49:30 GMT
So I’m sitting here idling away an hour waiting for a delivery. I log in to the Forum and Royston is still banging on relentlessly!! Fair play though Royston you’re not this time being offensive, quoting untruths (arguable), deliberately provocative or posting under another name; simple rules enforced on many a football forum. You’re talking football and sticking to the title of the thread. Surely we all know we couldn’t keep Kightley or Woodrow they were offered significant financial 3 yr deals at other clubs. Kightley wanted to return to his home town of Southend. That debate is dead and long finished. Back to your stats as you request above. They are just flawed and without being offensive in any way show nothing. There is no real stat you can use to prove what I think you are trying to prove. You don’t compare like with like, it’s too small a sample, they don’t account for home/away opposition and the 8 draws we’ve had etc etc ………. You say Albion have a 30% win rate. We’ve played 30 won 10 that’s 33%. I think when you came up with your stats it may have been 28 games which is about 36% in my head. So am I going to check your 42% Ben Turner win rate ? .................assuming an error margin of 6%..........no…………. it just shows nothing. You need to move on, like Ben Turner has. I agree. I have already moved on, if you look I am merely responding to posters putting points over against my own posts. In terms of your post, the win rate I refer to fir Tu4ner is for league games 18 starts 1 sub app 8 wins 42% similar to the overall club performance in league games
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 14:21:58 GMT
Turner is a great loss but all the best to him good service to our club On the matter of the wage bill Clough said before the City second leg (on the BBC no less) that the wage bill combined for the 14 who played in the first leg was 25k pw. That is 1.3 so adding in those who didn’t play the wage bill is probably around the 1.5m mark I am not sure how you get to the rest of the squad only working out at 0.2m wages in total. Our squad is 28 so that would mean the 14 who didn't play in the first leg on average would earn just short of 300quid a week each. That's not far off minimum wage. Bywater and McFadz alone would be in excess of 200k. Does anyone know if the manager and the coaching staff constitute part of the playing budget or is that side of it somehow boxed off separately?
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Post by insideleft on Feb 4, 2019 15:23:31 GMT
I have already moved on, if you look I am merely responding to posters putting points over against my own posts. In terms of your post, the win rate I refer to fir Tu4ner is for league games 18 starts 1 sub app 8 wins 42% similar to the overall club performance in league games With apologies to other forum readers I, like a few others, can’t let this go. You can’t keep posting inaccuracies and then get offensive toward people for challenging you fairly.
These are two earlier quotes from you in this thread:
What is not in dispute or open to interpretation is this season Turner has started 18 league games and one as a sub and we won 8 of those games. Thats a 42 % win rate. No ifs buts or maybe. The clubs league win ratio is 30%. That tells me we should have kept Turner as he helped us win more games when he played than when he wasnt. That is crazy. Ben has a 42% win rate this season in league games he has started. Burton as a club have a win rate of 30%. That alone should send alarm bells going........You are now saying in this post above that Ben’s win rate is similar to the club’s and isn’t an issue ? You haven’t moved on at all and I’m cross with myself for taking 2 minutes to write this rubbish!
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Post by bennyboy on Feb 4, 2019 16:31:06 GMT
Blimey, I left this thread Sat post match hoping it's died a death but you're still banging on about big Ben. I couldn't be arsed to read through, seems it's the same old stuff, he's gone get over it.
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Post by footyman on Feb 4, 2019 18:03:50 GMT
When people start quoting statistics with regards to football matches I do tend to zone out. To me the only reason they are created is to provide fodder for pundits. To me, the only time they are relevant is when they state the bl**ding obvious, and the most they are used is to provide a headline to say the result was a surprise despite the statistics. Perhaps I am biased as I have a Doncaster fan frien who quotes them at me.... and having been at the match I don’t think they have any bearing on the game. To me goals scored are the only ones I look at. The top team in every professional league right now starts with the letter L. There's a stat for you. Hopefully we change our name... L'Burton Albion FC Presumably meaning Little Burton Albion FC as we are commonly referred to by football followers far and wide.
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Post by bennyboy on Feb 4, 2019 18:37:09 GMT
Lesser spotted BAFC fan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:34:16 GMT
I have already moved on, if you look I am merely responding to posters putting points over against my own posts. In terms of your post, the win rate I refer to fir Tu4ner is for league games 18 starts 1 sub app 8 wins 42% similar to the overall club performance in league games With apologies to other forum readers I, like a few others, can’t let this go. You can’t keep posting inaccuracies and then get offensive toward people for challenging you fairly.
These are two earlier quotes from you in this thread:
What is not in dispute or open to interpretation is this season Turner has started 18 league games and one as a sub and we won 8 of those games. Thats a 42 % win rate. No ifs buts or maybe. The clubs league win ratio is 30%. That tells me we should have kept Turner as he helped us win more games when he played than when he wasnt. That is crazy. Ben has a 42% win rate this season in league games he has started. Burton as a club have a win rate of 30%. That alone should send alarm bells going........You are now saying in this post above that Ben’s win rate is similar to the club’s and isn’t an issue ? You haven’t moved on at all and I’m cross with myself for taking 2 minutes to write this rubbish! I dont think you have understood the point i made. When i used the word similar i meant the 30% win ratio for the club is obv based on keague games only so similarly we shud compare Turners win ratio simarly in league games only that is 18starts and 1 sub not 26 as had been intermated. Hope ive explained it now?
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Post by mick on Feb 5, 2019 9:41:04 GMT
Opened the forum hoping we had moved on, fat chance! Can we give this a rest as I am rapidly losing the will to live. In my experience stats can usually support both sides of an argument what I do not know is what happens behind the scenes, attitudes etc which no doubt our manager takes into account. Clearly we have one eye on next season, should have enough in the tank to stay safe and hopefully then push on.
Ben has gone, I do not know the full ins and outs of it as no one else does but have accepted it and I look forward to the next chapter in our brilliant club.
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 5, 2019 12:34:16 GMT
We have moved on,Turner moving on was a shock,and deserved a debate, only royston bangs on,and looks for reasons to make out the manager and staff have lost the plot. royston is the leader of the negatives ,another one for him , Campbell in jan.told he can leave the club,so it took till now to realise he is not good enough. Me i realise a club evolves,and the main job of a manager is to make the hard decisions. Clough has to show patience in players,and this jigsaw can never be completed. When to move players on,is the hardest decision in football.And the Brewers are lucky, he is good at his job. royston likes the last word people debate his post,prove a point,but he just rambles on. Just be glad Sordell was a easy decision, Read today We could not afford Hesketh on a loan deal.Shows how little we kmow. apart from royston - He knows a lot .Please post your aspirations for this club.===infrastructure -Academy==Manager.what league we should compete in,--staff wages--how much transfer budget--were we have failed in the past,and why==Please inform us of our failings.This Thread could be a supporters dream. Ben Robinson and we fans would relish your blue print,,and negative nellies like you ,would be a thing of the past. Put statking in his place,show us your plan
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Post by swaddy Dave on Feb 5, 2019 18:01:00 GMT
Has Ben Turner gone then?
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Post by superbrewer on Feb 5, 2019 18:44:11 GMT
Don't think so , nothing been mentioned on here .
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