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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 23:54:33 GMT
In your opinion. Who would you have released? Buxton without a shadow of a doubt at 34 and almost certainly in his last year as a player having already taken his coaching badges. We will now have to find at least two centre backs next season and thats assuming we perservere with right back Brayford playing CB which is just folly and will not work How muck is Buxton on and how much would we have saved letting him go? I don't know the answer but I suspect neither do you. Why don't/ can't we just trust that those in charge of the club have made the decision for the right reason? Whether it's the right decision or not remains to be seen. Trust them, especially based on their track record over the last twenty years since I've kept an eye on the Brewers closely (and in Ben's case long before). I don't think you'll find another club in the league who have matched our progress whilst still not making huge losses. If you know one let me know. One thing is certain, we wouldn't have conceded less goals TODAY than we did if Ben was still here. 1 game - 1 clean sheet. Maybe we've just stumbled upon our best pairing. We'll get the chance to find out now the Bray is suspended.
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Post by Norah on Feb 3, 2019 13:12:23 GMT
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 3, 2019 14:20:46 GMT
Apparently he has signed for Mansfield Town. Good luck to him. A very progressive club and a new challenge for him Mansfield Town Progressive you really have lost the plot, a 9-000 capacity in 2013 they were promoted to the football league. 2004 league 2===2008 conference==2013 league 2===2018/19 league 2, And you think Burton should do better you are funny
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:00:21 GMT
Good luck to him. A very progressive club and a new challenge for him Mansfield Town Progressive you really have lost the plot, a 9-000 capacity in 2013 they were promoted to the football league. 2004 league 2===2008 conference==2013 league 2===2018/19 league 2, And you think Burton should do better you are funny I would think any club who have lost only 3 league games by feb are progressing really well....... Turner describes them as uppwardly mobile and going places. Most on here consider Turner to have been an honest hardworking pro and those who spoke with him say what a genuine sort of guy he was, so taking into account that and that he has probably done his homework on the stags before committing I am quite happy to value his comments a little more than perhaps yours? simple enough for you?
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 3, 2019 15:27:48 GMT
Simple a nice word for you,since 2009 look at Mansfield's record,then Burtons and see who is being progressive .Buxton was huge on sat keep up==0-0 with 10 men. Turner to the club taking a huge risk with is injury issues, and unlike you i think he will have released him for the benefit of the club, moving on to league 2 while still injured seems strange, would be unusual if he said a small town club going nowhere just here for the money, Like all brewers fans i thank him for his efforts and wish him well====without moaning about our own players and manager
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:38:21 GMT
Simple a nice word for you,since 2009 look at Mansfield's record,then Burtons and see who is being progressive .Buxton was huge on sat keep up==0-0 with 10 men. Turner to the club taking a huge risk with is injury issues, and unlike you i think he will have released him for the benefit of the club, moving on to league 2 while still injured seems strange, would be unusual if he said a small town club going nowhere just here for the money, Like all brewers fans i thank him for his efforts and wish him well====without moaning about our own players and manager You dont need to explain yourself Trevor. You suggested i was being daft calling the stags progressive. Like i said, you happened to ignore it, they are orogressive atm looking at their current campaign results and as i said my comments were based on what Turner himself had said aboyt them. Im not interested in going back to 2009 or anyother previous season just to score points, i am responding to the current situation. Hope that ckears that up for you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:43:16 GMT
Simple a nice word for you,since 2009 look at Mansfield's record,then Burtons and see who is being progressive .Buxton was huge on sat keep up==0-0 with 10 men. Turner to the club taking a huge risk with is injury issues, and unlike you i think he will have released him for the benefit of the club, moving on to league 2 while still injured seems strange, would be unusual if he said a small town club going nowhere just here for the money, Like all brewers fans i thank him for his efforts and wish him well====without moaning about our own players and manager You dont need to explain yourself Trevor. You suggested i was being daft calling the stags progressive. Like i said, you happened to ignore it, they are orogressive atm looking at their current campaign results and as i said my comments were based on what Turner himself had said aboyt them. Im not interested in going back to 2009 or anyother previous season just to score points, i am responding to the current situation. Hope that ckears that up for you? Would they still be progressive if they were, as so many other teams we have met along the years, we're now spending well beyond their means to 'chase the dream'. Maybe Bolton were progressive getting promoted to League One and staying up at our expense. The fact they can't pay their way seems relevant to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:04:23 GMT
You dont need to explain yourself Trevor. You suggested i was being daft calling the stags progressive. Like i said, you happened to ignore it, they are orogressive atm looking at their current campaign results and as i said my comments were based on what Turner himself had said aboyt them. Im not interested in going back to 2009 or anyother previous season just to score points, i am responding to the current situation. Hope that ckears that up for you? Would they still be progressive if they were, as so many other teams we have met along the years, we're now spending well beyond their means to 'chase the dream'. Maybe Bolton were progressive getting promoted to League One and staying up at our expense. The fact they can't pay their way seems relevant to me. As far as I know there are only a handful of clubs who dont lose money season on season. For Turner he will probably not be worrying about that will he. He will prob just see a side who have lost just 3 league games going great guns and I would imagine the atmosphere there would be somewhat different to what he has endured here since the Gillingham loss?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:12:36 GMT
Would they still be progressive if they were, as so many other teams we have met along the years, we're now spending well beyond their means to 'chase the dream'. Maybe Bolton were progressive getting promoted to League One and staying up at our expense. The fact they can't pay their way seems relevant to me. As far as I know there are only a handful of clubs who dont lose money season on season. For Turner he will probably not be worrying about that will he. He will prob just see a side who have lost just 3 league games going great guns and I would imagine the atmosphere there would be somewhat different to what he has endured here since the Gillingham loss? We are one of the handful, albeit I expect we will this year.
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Post by cbh1 on Feb 3, 2019 16:16:40 GMT
Would they still be progressive if they were, as so many other teams we have met along the years, we're now spending well beyond their means to 'chase the dream'. Maybe Bolton were progressive getting promoted to League One and staying up at our expense. The fact they can't pay their way seems relevant to me. As far as I know there are only a handful of clubs who dont lose money season on season. For Turner he will probably not be worrying about that will he. He will prob just see a side who have lost just 3 league games going great guns and I would imagine the atmosphere there would be somewhat different to what he has endured here since the Gillingham loss? If they were that progressive you’d have thought he’d have signed for more than just six months. Mansfield’s owner has pumped in loads of money to try and get promotion. Even Fatty Evans jumped ship before seeing the job through.
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 3, 2019 16:19:25 GMT
The atmosphere on sat was tense with only 10 men we were up against it, the final whistle left us all speechless a point against all odds. Mansfield being progressive, with 4618 fans attending games,Turner could be on more money,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:59:48 GMT
Maybe? the fact as you say that Turners departure wasnt announced until 5 to 11 may be due to him wanting to find another club before leaving the brewers and he probably has? In terms of a settled Cb partnership, you are again right its important to have a settled pairing and we had finally found that in our first year in the champ in Ben and Kyle. There was never any need to bring in Buxton (and Warnock). They had just been relegated with Wigan to Div 1. Surely, if as many say we need to look to the future, we should if anything have brought ina young loanee. Many of us believe if Kyle and ben had played a handful more games together last season we wouldnt have gone down. For those who question this, do me a favour and check the stats last season on kyle and ben playing together in the league. Games played W L D and seeing as the manager has been complaining how many clean sheets we are failing to achieve at this lower level, perhaps check how many they they acheived at a higher level. Then put it on here. I dont think any of us will need to say anymore after that. What was Wigan's defensive record when they were relegated from the Championship? Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it...
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Post by NobodyGood on Feb 3, 2019 17:28:35 GMT
What was Wigan's defensive record when they were relegated from the Championship? Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it... It was good, and I don't think the issue was signing Warnock and Buxton, it was more an issue with persisting with, mainly, Warnock. That's just my 2cents
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:56:17 GMT
Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it... It was good, and I don't think the issue was signing Warnock and Buxton, it was more an issue with persisting with, mainly, Warnock. That's just my 2cents I don't think that was the implication from Royston's post, but yes I think that is the case. Hopefully he will be along to confirm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:51:20 GMT
What was Wigan's defensive record when they were relegated from the Championship? Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it... Wigan Finished 23rd with a goal diff of -17 only one side had a worse goal difference (rotherham) Our goal diff was -14
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:53:24 GMT
Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it... Wigan Finished 23rd with a goal diff of -17 only one side had a worse goal difference (rotherham) Our goal diff was -14 The following season we were relegated with a goal diff of -43 the worst in the championship so something changed ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:59:23 GMT
Wigan Finished 23rd with a goal diff of -17 only one side had a worse goal difference (rotherham) Our goal diff was -14 The following season we were relegated with a goal diff of -43 the worst in the championship so something changed ? In 2016-17 Turner started 38 league games we finish with -14 goal diff in 2017-18 Turner stated 26 league games we finish with -43 goal diff
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:20:30 GMT
Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it... Wigan Finished 23rd with a goal diff of -17 only one side had a worse goal difference (rotherham) Our goal diff was -14 That is not answering the question and you know it. Do you need me to point it out?
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Post by insideleft on Feb 3, 2019 19:22:17 GMT
Not had an answer yet, you may have missed it... Wigan Finished 23rd with a goal diff of -17 only one side had a worse goal difference (rotherham) Our goal diff was -14 Dont wish to be pedantic Royston but your stats are a little out again.
Goal difference is a measure used if two teams finish level on points nothing else.
Wigan conceded 57 goals that season. Only 6 teams had a better defensive record.
We had this debate last season, obviously Warnock and Buxton were central to that defence.
How many posts does it need for you to keep telling us you don't or didn't rate JB. We get the message !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:47:44 GMT
We also scored 11 goals less last season than we did the season before. Is that down to Ben as well? In the season we went down, Ben made 30 championship appearances. I think he was suspended for the first 5 games? He missed the Oldham cup tie and four league games. As soon as his suspension ended he was back in the side. I'll leave it to others to see if they want to google anymore but from memory he missed the Fulham game due to injury, so there's at least 5 league games he's unavailable for. www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/injury-update-ben-turner-illness-1124600I believe that article says Turner was one of the first names on the team sheet when fit. He played 38 league games the season before BECAUSE HE WAS FIT AND AVAILABLE. Even this season, he's made 18 starts and one sub appearance. Only Lucas, Brayford, Fraser, Allen, Quinn and Kyle have made more starts, I can't say for certain but I believe he'd have played more if he'd have been fit. He played when he was fit, the issue was/is he's fit less and less these days. Don't forget by the way that the 38 league games he played for us in 16/17 was the most league starts he's had in any other season of his career.
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