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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 31, 2016 12:37:39 GMT
J-F-H moves to a big club in the championship they lie mid table,Nasser moving to a higher league the championship,,A club that is mid table selling there best players And replacing them with players from div 1, Wait a minute aren't we top of div 1,in feb hoping to get into this championship,The manager and our top scorer leaving for a league we hope to join come may. Maybe this is a reality check,that Burton are just a small club ,a stepping stone,that can't compete with championship clubs. Hard work and effort only takes you so far,div 1 is a long journey and we are here,look at the league table,Who would have believed it.
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Post by observer on Jan 31, 2016 13:53:27 GMT
I don't think Nasser will do well at QPR
I think he could do ok in Championship but not with them
The fans expect too much
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 15:20:05 GMT
How does Nasser compare to a lad who has scored 10 goals in league two this season? Just a rumour and I'm sure we'll know more this time tomorrow but it seems QPR are about to pay £3m for Kemar Roofe, Oxford's top scorer.
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Post by etonparker64 on Jan 31, 2016 16:22:18 GMT
if we have sold Nasser for £350k i think we have indeed sold him cheaply. If we are to believe some of the figures being bandied about on our competitors forums, Gillingham apparently rejected £1.75m for Dack and Walsall are suggesting that one of theirs is worth £2m if QPR paid £2.5m to Peterborough for Washington. Those are the sort of going rates for players that championship clubs are paying for players from our league. I am sure that Nasser ,if he has Washington and a few other of the best players from League one round him, will get them a few goals just by his odd touches of genius. We need as much money from transfers as we can possibly get so that we are at least able to compete with the Wigan's, Walsall's, Gillinghams and Peterborough's who ARE getting million pounds plus for their best players.We will be competing with them to buy replacements and we will not have the same monies as them after not having had a lucrative cup run and not selling our stars for what other clubs have got for theirs. we are as a club and as supporters , all on a steep learning curve and need to wise up to the realities of division one and of the completely alien world that the championship will be if we can manage to get promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 16:30:13 GMT
if we have sold Nasser for £350k i think we have indeed sold him cheaply. If we are to believe some of the figures being bandied about on our competitors forums, Gillingham apparently rejected £1.75m for Dack and Walsall are suggesting that one of theirs is worth £2m if QPR paid £2.5m to Peterborough for Washington. Those are the sort of going rates for players that championship clubs are paying for players from our league. I am sure that Nasser ,if he has Washington and a few other of the best players from League one round him, will get them a few goals just by his odd touches of genius. We need as much money from transfers as we can possibly get so that we are at least able to compete with the Wigan's, Walsall's, Gillinghams and Peterborough's who ARE getting million pounds plus for their best players.We will be competing with them to buy replacements and we will not have the same monies as them after not having had a lucrative cup run and not selling our stars for what other clubs have got for theirs. we are as a club and as supporters , all on a steep learning curve and need to wise up to the realities of division one and of the completely alien world that the championship will be if we can manage to get promotion. We will probably offering 2for the price of 1 soon. This is why I didn't want the accountant back IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 18:24:02 GMT
This is getting really silly. There are now 4 threads running on the sale of Nasser and other transfers, the clubs financial situation etc. We've been done, sold him too cheap, pushing the FFP boundaries, blah blah blah, Although none of you will admit to it, you are all basically saying Ben doesm't know what he is doing! I think he does, time to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 18:39:41 GMT
This is getting really silly. There are now 4 threads running on the sale of Nasser and other transfers, the clubs financial situation etc. We've been done, sold him too cheap, pushing the FFP boundaries, blah blah blah, Although none of you will admit to it, you are all basically saying Ben doesm't know what he is doing! I think he does, time to move on. It's a forum ! No one has said that Ben does not know what he is doing!
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Post by superbrewer on Jan 31, 2016 18:52:50 GMT
I have always thought that we seem to give players away very cheaply .Going back to the days of Ian Hutchinson and Richie Barker who both went on to better things but the Albion only ever got a pittance for the transfers .
It seems to me we are still not getting the proper value for players , Alex McDonald last year , surely should have gone for more , if Nasser does go for £350k that is another poor deal for Burton .How can we compete with other clubs in purchasing quality players ?
We should stop being bullied by these bigger clubs and get the money we are entitled too .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 18:55:06 GMT
I have always thought that we seem to give players away very cheaply .Going back to the days of Ian Hutchinson and Richie Barker who both went on to better things but the Albion only ever got a pittance for the transfers . It seems to me we are still not getting the proper value for players , Alex McDonald last year , surely should have gone for more , if Nasser does go for £350k that is another poor deal for Burton .How can we compete with other clubs in purchasing quality players ? We should stop being bullied by these bigger clubs and get the money we are entitled too . Quite correct IMO,
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 31, 2016 19:10:58 GMT
We see ourselves as a small club... They see us as a small club... etc. Drives the prices down. Also: - Contract length, Nasser was signed for another 3 months, then he'd be able to go on a free. - Experience
They're the two things that drove the price down. Charlie Austin was £20m in Summer, now only £4m, and in May, like Nasser, would have been free...
Sooooo, £350k is OK, even if it meant changing my username.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 19:20:12 GMT
We see ourselves as a small club... They see us as a small club... etc. Drives the prices down. Also: - Contract length, Nasser was signed for another 3 months, then he'd be able to go on a free. - Experience They're the two things that drove the price down. Charlie Austin was £20m in Summer, now only £4m, and in May, like Nasser, would have been free... Sooooo, £350k is OK, even if it meant changing my username. I think Nasser had another year, but I repeat, I, nor very few other people knew what was in his contract and the implications re the fee.
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 31, 2016 19:21:42 GMT
We see ourselves as a small club... They see us as a small club... etc. Drives the prices down. Also: - Contract length, Nasser was signed for another 3 months, then he'd be able to go on a free. - Experience They're the two things that drove the price down. Charlie Austin was £20m in Summer, now only £4m, and in May, like Nasser, would have been free... Sooooo, £350k is OK, even if it meant changing my username. I think Nasser had another year, but I repeat, I, nor very few other people knew what was in his contract and the implications re the fee. I will also say, having seen the inside workings of a football club. The figures in the media are far from accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 19:23:52 GMT
Further proof that it is the posters on here who don't know what they're doing. Alex was out of contract in the summer and we would have lost him on a free, £70K was the highest offer! Nasser was under contract until the summer of 2017 (18 more months) so we got a lot more for him. Again, we took the highest offer. Ben knows what he is doing! That is why people who do know repeatedly say that BAFC is one of, if not the, best run clubs in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 19:28:48 GMT
Further proof that it is the posters on here who don't know what they're doing. Alex was out of contract in the summer and we would have lost him on a free, £70K was the highest offer! Nasser was under contract until the summer of 2017 (18 more months) so we got a lot more for him. Again, we took the highest offer. Ben knows what he is doing! That is why people who do know repeatedly say that BAFC is one of, if not the, best run clubs in the country. Nasser was joined at the hip with JFH , we should have played hard ball ( Again IMO)
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Post by colston on Jan 31, 2016 21:10:17 GMT
if we have sold Nasser for £350k i think we have indeed sold him cheaply. If we are to believe some of the figures being bandied about on our competitors forums, Gillingham apparently rejected £1.75m for Dack and Walsall are suggesting that one of theirs is worth £2m if QPR paid £2.5m to Peterborough for Washington. Those are the sort of going rates for players that championship clubs are paying for players from our league. I am sure that Nasser ,if he has Washington and a few other of the best players from League one round him, will get them a few goals just by his odd touches of genius. We need as much money from transfers as we can possibly get so that we are at least able to compete with the Wigan's, Walsall's, Gillinghams and Peterborough's who ARE getting million pounds plus for their best players.We will be competing with them to buy replacements and we will not have the same monies as them after not having had a lucrative cup run and not selling our stars for what other clubs have got for theirs. we are as a club and as supporters , all on a steep learning curve and need to wise up to the realities of division one and of the completely alien world that the championship will be if we can manage to get promotion. When will the penny drop that we aren't run like other clubs? Other clubs have debts to service. Some of them don't own their grounds. They have more staff than they need because they're deluded about how big they are. We compete with them OUR way. We're Burton Albion. There's no-one else like us. Be proud of it.
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Post by etonparker64 on Jan 31, 2016 21:30:11 GMT
I am proud of Burton Albion which is why I have supported them through thick and thin for over 40 years. We are not talking about what we are prepared to pay for players but about what we sell our players for when someone shows an interest. If QPR purchased Washington for £2.5m then i think we should be getting more than £350k for Nasser! That is my view and gut feeling. It is not a criticism of Ben or Nigel or anyone else. It is my opinion as a long term supporter with no inside or detailed knowledge of the inside working of a league or non league football club. I am however able to look at other deals and to make sensible and reasonable comparisons and to arrive at my opinion which is that I think we could have got £500k+. I do fully accept that to sell a player on for £350k who we only recently signed on for nothing is a good bit of business. But it could have been a bit better.If it is the Burton Albion way to sell on players for slightly less than we think they are worth and compared to other players in the division who are no better, then it one of the Burton Albion ways that I personally hope will now change.
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Post by 1950brewer on Jan 31, 2016 22:13:35 GMT
Sound & valid points from Peacock & Colston
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 22:20:43 GMT
I am proud of Burton Albion which is why I have supported them through thick and thin for over 40 years. We are not talking about what we are prepared to pay for players but about what we sell our players for when someone shows an interest. If QPR purchased Washington for £2.5m then i think we should be getting more than £350k for Nasser! That is my view and gut feeling. It is not a criticism of Ben or Nigel or anyone else. It is my opinion as a long term supporter with no inside or detailed knowledge of the inside working of a league or non league football club. I am however able to look at other deals and to make sensible and reasonable comparisons and to arrive at my opinion which is that I think we could have got £500k+. I do fully accept that to sell a player on for £350k who we only recently signed on for nothing is a good bit of business. But it could have been a bit better.If it is the Burton Albion way to sell on players for slightly less than we think they are worth and compared to other players in the division who are no better, then it one of the Burton Albion ways that I personally hope will now change. Very well said
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 22:28:23 GMT
I am proud of Burton Albion which is why I have supported them through thick and thin for over 40 years. We are not talking about what we are prepared to pay for players but about what we sell our players for when someone shows an interest. If QPR purchased Washington for £2.5m then i think we should be getting more than £350k for Nasser! That is my view and gut feeling. It is not a criticism of Ben or Nigel or anyone else. It is my opinion as a long term supporter with no inside or detailed knowledge of the inside working of a league or non league football club. I am however able to look at other deals and to make sensible and reasonable comparisons and to arrive at my opinion which is that I think we could have got £500k+. I do fully accept that to sell a player on for £350k who we only recently signed on for nothing is a good bit of business. But it could have been a bit better.If it is the Burton Albion way to sell on players for slightly less than we think they are worth and compared to other players in the division who are no better, then it one of the Burton Albion ways that I personally hope will now change. Well said some things should change!
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Post by everard on Jan 31, 2016 22:44:43 GMT
Maybe, just maybe, JFH knew he'd be moving on from Burton Albion before too long (well, didn't everyone say so) and maybe he & Nasser knew he'd be there with him all being well & eventually.........so maybe JFH did Burton Albion a favour by signing him on a longer 2 year contract till 2017 - knowing a bigger fee would have to be paid if/when the move happened (compared with if it had been just a one year deal till 2016) and maybe now Ben is repaying the consideration by accepting a "reasonable fee" in return.......just a thought...I've no knowledge or information whatsoever to support this hypothesis.......just thought I'd throw it out there as much as anything to illustrate that there are sometimes things going on that we supporters are not aware of............sometimes confidentiality is necessary.....
Personally I'm with those who hold the view that £350,000 is not a bad fee for Nasser. He has his strengths for sure - we all love to see wingers take defenders on and leave them flailing in the wake as the cross or shot goes in - He surely won us a few points with his goals and assists, but he has his weaknesses and I'm not sure he'll be able to do the business at Championship level. Is he physically strong enough and consistent enough, can he do the defensive work that many think is necessary too......I shall be watching with interest to see if he succeeds....if he goes.....I think it's only the clubs who've agreed things so far.......he may surprise us all, forego the 4, 5, 6 or however many times pay rise he'll get and decide to stay with us....
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