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Post by woody on Oct 22, 2014 14:18:27 GMT
I fear for us here. This is nightmare scenario as if Rowett goes I am sure that we lose our assistant manager with him (it's not like when you sack a manager but can promote the assistant like we did with Rowett) Birmingham assistant manager will earn similar if not more than our manager job pays So we are in risk here of losing any continuity whatsoever from being joint top of the League Far easier last time for the chairman And I also think summerfield is a big part of our reasons for success Losing these two is going to be a real hammer blow and replacing them on a budget very tough and very hit or miss IMO I don't believe there is anyone in the club who could step up to the job to provide continuity. I know he's not gone yet but writing is on the wall As a club we have been here before and I am sure Ben learnt a lot from that experience of losing his entire management team at a key time for promotion prospects. No point worrying about it.
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 14:19:04 GMT
Mike Phelan has come as assistant manager from one of the richest clubs in the world with huge scouting and coaching network and everything done on a plate for the players etc
Gary Rowett comes from a club with a non League type budget and has to take an interest in every penny we spend and do his own scouting and budgeting etc
In the current situation Birmingham are in financially then I know which manager is most likel going to be able to cope
I had thought if Rowett left us whether we should consider Phelan ourselves - but he would be like a fish out of water with us and in no way prepared for the job at Burton
In same way I can't see how Phelan is the right man for Birmingham bearing in mind they are totally strapped for cash
But I do hope they give him the job
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Post by woody on Oct 22, 2014 14:20:18 GMT
Sky Sports now state that the Birmingham short list is now Mike Phelan and Garry Rowett, in that order. With that competition it looks like our man will come second. The question mark will be that Gary has not managed at a higher level. Phelan has worked at a higher level but never managed. Toss of a coin I think.
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 14:26:39 GMT
Sky Sports now state that the Birmingham short list is now Mike Phelan and Garry Rowett, in that order. With that competition it looks like our man will come second. The question mark will be that Gary has not managed at a higher level. Phelan has worked at a higher level but never managed. Toss of a coin I think. Hopefully Phelan will promise great contacts at Man U and Premier League Level who will loan him players etc etc Rowett can promise to work to any budget and get results I guess On the forums many Birmingham fans are saying it's irrelevant who the new manager is and it's a new owner they need asap for anything to change for the better. They are in financial limbo. Tough job whoever takes it.
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 14:30:59 GMT
Sky Sports now state that the Birmingham short list is now Mike Phelan and Garry Rowett, in that order. With that competition it looks like our man will come second. Was hoping that would mean that Phelan was now favourite to get the job But with skybet Rowett is odds on 4/6 Rowett 7/2 Phelan Richard Beale who is joint caretaker manager is now 9/2 I think they should give Beale the job until they get taken over myself!! Pity they lost last night - a couple of wins might have swayed the job his way
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 16:02:08 GMT
According to John Percy (football reporter for the Telegraph) Rowett is being interviewed next 48 hours. Phelan and Coyle also under consideration. Hughton was as well but he is hoping to get the Fulham job.
Percy also says Birmingham will look to appoint new manager next week.
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Post by popsideregular on Oct 22, 2014 16:08:36 GMT
IF Rowett comes back to the Albion, there must be a question about his commitment to us, as he has let his head be turned by a club in chaos. No one seems to know who owns the club, its shorter in the cash department than the Albion, and yet he was interested in joining them. It seems to me after this episode and his trip to Blackpool that he could leave us for any old club!
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Post by 9sirchristian on Oct 22, 2014 16:20:39 GMT
IF Rowett comes back to the Albion, there must be a question about his commitment to us, as he has let his head be turned by a club in chaos. No one seems to know who owns the club, its shorter in the cash department than the Albion, and yet he was interested in joining them. It seems to me after this episode and his trip to Blackpool that he could leave us for any old club! Sorry, it's nothing to do with loyalty, it's about personal ambition. No manager worth his salt will lack that. GR will want to manage at the highest level possible, more money, higher profile club, no-brainer really. I certainly don't blame him for wanting to see how the land lies there, whether he goes or not.He knows what he has done here has put him in the picture.I'd like him to stay, but we will just have to see.
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Post by popsideregular on Oct 22, 2014 16:26:07 GMT
His ambition is not matched by his experience. If he makes the wrong move now he will regret it for a long time. Little steps are always better than giant steps.
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 16:42:05 GMT
His ambition is not matched by his experience. If he makes the wrong move now he will regret it for a long time. Little steps are always better than giant steps. That's sensible stuff popside but anyone who thinks they are good at a job will back themselves to be successful and take the challenge on I imagine he will double his salary at the very least and if can negotiate a 3 year contract or similar money alone will be the reason to take the challenge He doesn't need to move house or uproot family etc - I wouldn't be surprised if he lives closer to Birmingham than Burton already I've said above the assistant manager wage at Birmingham is probably more than Rowett earns with us We can come up with reasons to stay put but the reasons to move will surpass the reasons to stay Didn't Rowett give the excuse he didn't want to uproot his family for the Blackpool rejection - no such issues here
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 16:44:36 GMT
It's worth saying though that in this instance a contract would have given the other candidates for the job the upper hand
Not having a contract has made this very easy and cheap for Birmingham
Phelan and Coyle would likely have been favourites if it weren't for Rowett being available foc as well
But we've debated that last time
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 16:52:13 GMT
Wrong move to the wrong club at the wrong time. People don't even know who owns Birmingham. What happens when new owners come in with their own ideas and plans?
People say it is a step up. Is it? Both clubs could be in the same league next season and only one of those clubs would be riddled with debt.
Gary needs to take his blue tinted spectacles off and realise where he is in his managerial career.
He is just starting out and the wrong move now will see him disappear from the radar. If he stays at Burton and gets them promoted he will get far better offers than Brum.
Ambition should still be linked to reality.
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Post by woody on Oct 22, 2014 17:00:02 GMT
For what it is worth GR lives in Duffield which is closer to Burton than Brum. I don't think driving distances is really a problem to him. The main thing is at Burton he has a chairman who doesn't interfere. At Birmingham it is a very different challenge with immediate impact required.
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Post by popsideregular on Oct 22, 2014 17:16:04 GMT
How about this theory, Rowett thinks he has taken the Albion as far has he can take them, and now is the right time to move on?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:33:58 GMT
The only official story I can find is on BBC football, that says Albion have given permission for the Blues to talk to Gary Rowett. Myself and I emphasise this is my personal opinion, I think Gary will take the job if he gets the answers on club ownership and budget that he wants to here. I will be very sad to see him go(and probably his staff) if this the case and wish him well in the future. He has done an excellent job for our club and been a great ambassador for us too. Unfortunately for us as it was with Nigel Clough and Derby County, Birmingham City is probably the only club at present who could prize Gary from us. That's football if it happens but its not the end of the world. We will be a very attractive proposition for potential managerial candidates. Ben will consider his options carefully and try to make the correct decision with the long term future of the club paramount. We have no idea what direction Ben will go, maybe as he has previously or possibly this time we someone more experienced.
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 17:37:15 GMT
How about this theory, Rowett thinks he has taken the Albion as far has he can take them, and now is the right time to move on? If Gary wants to go best of luck to him. Regarding your point though. It must be in the back of his mind that even though the club is joint top of the league support is poor. Ben won't keep dipping into his own money to balance this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 18:49:23 GMT
I wasn't aware he was dipping his hand in his pocket, I believe the football side of the business is 'subsidised' by the other non football business at the Pirelli.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 18:51:45 GMT
The only official story I can find is on BBC football, that says Albion have given permission for the Blues to talk to Gary Rowett. Myself and I emphasise this is my personal opinion, I think Gary will take the job if he gets the answers on club ownership and budget that he wants to here. I will be very sad to see him go(and probably his staff) if this the case and wish him well in the future. He has done an excellent job for our club and been a great ambassador for us too. Unfortunately for us as it was with Nigel Clough and Derby County, Birmingham City is probably the only club at present who could prize Gary from us. That's football if it happens but its not the end of the world. We will be a very attractive proposition for potential managerial candidates. Ben will consider his options carefully and try to make the correct decision with the long term future of the club paramount. We have no idea what direction Ben will go, maybe as he has previously or possibly this time we someone more experienced. Top post, I hope he stays, but you have set out the reasons why he may not. As for a successor, I wouldn't expect a 'name' but probably a younger new manager with excellent credentials. Darren Moore for example.
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 19:38:19 GMT
I wasn't aware he was dipping his hand in his pocket, I believe the football side of the business is 'subsidised' by the other non football business at the Pirelli. If you think that Ben hasn't shuffled money about his businesses to fund things then fair enough. Darren Moore? Please no.
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Post by claymillman on Oct 22, 2014 19:51:34 GMT
Ben is not the type to subsidise the club by using his own money. Why? Because he knows that to do that would be the start of the slippery slope to ruin this club. We all know of a few clubs that have tried this, with very rich men at the helm, and it almost always ends in tears. The more you try to buy success, the more you need to continue this pointless exercise. This club is run very well, as most people often state, and it will not change by taking a decision to pump money in even if we had to face relegation. Hopefully this won't happen anyway.
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