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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:00:47 GMT
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 20:14:00 GMT
Well to start with I would like Gary to stay. If you can tell me why Darren Moore is qualified for the job I'm all ears and waiting to be convinced! Until then I'm out. On another note. We all seem to know that our managers work without a "contract" Is it the same for the assistant?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:34:46 GMT
Well to start with I would like Gary to stay. If you can tell me why Darren Moore is qualified for the job I'm all ears and waiting to be convinced! Until then I'm out. On another note. We all seem to know that our managers work without a "contract" Is it the same for the assistant? To start with, so do I. He is one of many fine young coaches that are well qualified, well respected and needs a chance. He was first choice to partner Pesch, before he had a fabulous season at Barnsley and stayed there for another season. He is an ex player and therefore understands how we operate. I am sure there will be plenty of other candidates, it is a fantastic job for any coach/manager (as Rowett has found). No idea about the assistants, but I am sure there is an understanding between the Chairman and the Manager, whether it is written down and signed it matters not.
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 20:40:00 GMT
Well to start with I would like Gary to stay. If you can tell me why Darren Moore is qualified for the job I'm all ears and waiting to be convinced! Until then I'm out. On another note. We all seem to know that our managers work without a "contract" Is it the same for the assistant? To start with, so do I. He is one of many fine young coaches that are well qualified, well respected and needs a chance. He was first choice to partner Pesch, before he had a fabulous season at Barnsley and stayed there for another season. He is an ex player and therefore understands how we operate. I am sure there will be plenty of other candidates, it is a fantastic job for any coach/manager (as Rowett has found). No idea about the assistants, but I am sure there is an understanding between the Chairman and the Manager, whether it is written down and signed it matters not. So no evidence of his coaching credentials then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:53:37 GMT
To start with, so do I. He is one of many fine young coaches that are well qualified, well respected and needs a chance. He was first choice to partner Pesch, before he had a fabulous season at Barnsley and stayed there for another season. He is an ex player and therefore understands how we operate. I am sure there will be plenty of other candidates, it is a fantastic job for any coach/manager (as Rowett has found). No idea about the assistants, but I am sure there is an understanding between the Chairman and the Manager, whether it is written down and signed it matters not. So no evidence of his coaching credentials then? Well he has an FA Pro Licence (the highest), was working for the PFA on their coaches course, got the job as 1st team coach at Blackburn, before that went belly up after about two games (ownership issues) and is now working back at the Baggies. Not the worst CV (and he is an ex player).
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 21:15:47 GMT
So no evidence of his coaching credentials then? Well he has an FA Pro Licence (the highest), was working for the PFA on their coaches course, got the job as 1st team coach at Blackburn, before that went belly up after about two games (ownership issues) and is now working back at the Baggies. Not the worst CV (and he is an ex player). Correct it's not. Not sure how much weight I would hold to somebody working for the PFA(that's a dig at the PFA not Darren) Since we are working on hypotheticals I would like to see a coach/manager who would control the playing style from the kids team to the 1st. A real blueprint for now and the future. Somebody like a certain defender that trained with us for a couple of pre seasons?!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 21:18:56 GMT
Well he has an FA Pro Licence (the highest), was working for the PFA on their coaches course, got the job as 1st team coach at Blackburn, before that went belly up after about two games (ownership issues) and is now working back at the Baggies. Not the worst CV (and he is an ex player). Correct it's not. Not sure how much weight I would hold to somebody working for the PFA(that's a dig at the PFA not Darren) Since we are working on hypotheticals I would like to see a coach/manager who would control the playing style from the kids team to the 1st. A real blueprint for now and the future. Somebody like a certain defender that trained with us for a couple of pre seasons?!!! Who?
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 21:24:31 GMT
Correct it's not. Not sure how much weight I would hold to somebody working for the PFA(that's a dig at the PFA not Darren) Since we are working on hypotheticals I would like to see a coach/manager who would control the playing style from the kids team to the 1st. A real blueprint for now and the future. Somebody like a certain defender that trained with us for a couple of pre seasons?!!! Who? The clue is in my user name. Google is your friend. Just to be clear I don't mean the actual person but the type of philosophy he is working to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 21:35:55 GMT
No idea, you will have to be less opaque
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Post by observer on Oct 22, 2014 21:49:21 GMT
Well he has an FA Pro Licence (the highest), was working for the PFA on their coaches course, got the job as 1st team coach at Blackburn, before that went belly up after about two games (ownership issues) and is now working back at the Baggies. Not the worst CV (and he is an ex player). Correct it's not. Not sure how much weight I would hold to somebody working for the PFA(that's a dig at the PFA not Darren) Since we are working on hypotheticals I would like to see a coach/manager who would control the playing style from the kids team to the 1st. A real blueprint for now and the future. Somebody like a certain defender that trained with us for a couple of pre seasons?!!! Re blueprint for future from kids to first team Currently the kids are all being taught to pass the ball from the back. Keepers are rarely allowed to kick the ball etc they roll out to defenders etc etc It's nothing like the first team and to be honest I don't think you can play like that in League 2 Bit easier for clubs to have that blueprint in the Premier League like Liverpool (who do follow Brendan Rogers lead) or La Liga aka Barcelona where passing and technique seem the norm Last season Brendan Rogers cancelled some matches for under 9s to 12s at Liverpool as he wanted them to focus on technical training for a month For a manager to be taking that much interest at that young age is rare but refreshing to see
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Post by popsideregular on Oct 22, 2014 22:02:02 GMT
The clue is in my user name. Google is your friend. Just to be clear I don't mean the actual person but the type of philosophy he is working to. I think he means Robbie Neilson, who played two preseasons with the Albion, without getting an offer. He is now Head Coach at top of the scottish championship with Hearts and doing a fantastic job.
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 22:10:20 GMT
The clue is in my user name. Google is your friend. Just to be clear I don't mean the actual person but the type of philosophy he is working to. I think he means Robbie Neilson, who played two preseasons with the Albion, without getting an offer. He is now Head Coach at top of the scottish championship with Hearts and doing a fantastic job. Correct, and good to see that others follow Scottish football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 22:19:51 GMT
Thank you, now why didn't you just say?
Anyway I agree about building a philosophy from top to bottom.
Another ex player that come to mind is Darren Wassell...
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Post by popsideregular on Oct 22, 2014 22:40:40 GMT
The business plan at the Hearts is to coach young players and players signed from other clubs. Also the club appoint all coaches through the age groups and the first team including specialist coaches I.e. Goalkeeper coaches, defensive coaches and forward coaches. The long term plan is when the Head coach moves on to a bigger club his assistant coach moves up and so on through the different levels with a progression plan. So when they lose there head coach everyone working closely with him don't March out the door at the same time leaving a vacuum. Time will tell if it works, but worth watching. So far the Hearts are undefeated in the League nine points ahead of the Rangers( better known as Newco ) If anyone is interested the Hearts are playing in the EDINBURGH Derby against the Hibs on Sunday on Bt Sport. HHGH
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Post by brewer1874 on Oct 22, 2014 22:45:36 GMT
Thank you, now why didn't you just say? Anyway I agree about building a philosophy from top to bottom. Another ex player that come to mind is Darren Wassell... Does it need to be an ex player?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 6:41:33 GMT
Thank you, now why didn't you just say? Anyway I agree about building a philosophy from top to bottom. Another ex player that come to mind is Darren Wassell... Does it need to be an ex player? No
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Post by observer on Oct 23, 2014 7:06:18 GMT
Wassalls experience to date very much is with youth players.
We need a strong managerial partnership like we have now.
Managing Burton is such a big job as there aren't half as many back room staff.
I've thought about managers like Tim Sherwood for us as he seems to be a thinker and he might be prepared to prove himself lower league and I don't think money would be a major concern for him personally
But would he be prepared to graft and put the hours in etc?
I then wonder if we just need a strong managerial partnership who are doing well at non league level who will be up to the challenge etc
But I wouldn't know where to start
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Post by E7#9 on Oct 23, 2014 7:39:15 GMT
Has Gary gone yet? I have resigned myself to that fact now. I can't imagine him not being the best candidate and I can't imagine him turning it down.
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Post by observer on Oct 23, 2014 7:45:44 GMT
Has Gary gone yet? I have resigned myself to that fact now. I can't imagine him not being the best candidate and I can't imagine him turning it down. Same here Longer it takes though the more thinking time the chairman has I think Stevenage will be Rowetts last game - when do we next play after that?
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Post by claymillman on Oct 23, 2014 8:50:03 GMT
Has Gary gone yet? I have resigned myself to that fact now. I can't imagine him not being the best candidate and I can't imagine him turning it down. You could well be right, but, there are quite a few hurdles yet to jump before GR will go. For instance, can he take his own team with him, and what arrangements exist regarding the Birmingham assistants still there? Is there money available to strengthen the playing squad? Will he be allowed to operate in his job the way he would want to? Who has the final say regarding the players to be brought in? He will obviously not have the full control at a large club, that Ben can allow him at Burton. Unless he is happy with all of the above I don't think he will go. He must though be strongly tempted, for all sorts of reasons as well as the obvious massive increase in salary which must accompany the position.
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