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Post by andrewb77 on Mar 26, 2024 7:29:27 GMT
Unfortunately, I think so. Can't see what we're doing or how we plan to win a game. It's not like we're producing chances and not scoring, nor are we strong defensively. There's so little positive to say. And if we go down, I have very little hope we come back up. Could be a very ropey period for the club. Roll the dice on someone, anyone who's available, and hope for the best. League two feels inevitable as it stands. I said the same last season. But we managed to stay up. Then we had this season.
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Post by luke on Mar 26, 2024 9:27:30 GMT
I’ve been at peace with the idea of League Two every season since 2020. Either way, hopefully the summer can be a fresh start under somebody. If the worst does happen, if we can hold onto a decent amount of our better players and raise some funds from the ones that don’t want to stay, we should be fine imo
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Post by bornandbrewed on Mar 26, 2024 14:32:55 GMT
Ask Warnock if he fancies one last challenge. Prepare yourself for 4-4-2 and a scrap, but at least it'd be more entertaining than the rubbish we've watched recently.
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Post by bennyboy on Mar 26, 2024 16:15:53 GMT
Ask Warnock if he fancies one last challenge. Prepare yourself for 4-4-2 and a scrap, but at least it'd be more entertaining than the rubbish we've watched recently. Currently interim manager at Aberdeen.
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Post by popsidepete59 on Mar 26, 2024 16:37:04 GMT
Ask Warnock if he fancies one last challenge. Prepare yourself for 4-4-2 and a scrap, but at least it'd be more entertaining than the rubbish we've watched recently. Currently interim manager at Aberdeen. No mate, he left them after their cup quarter final win I think?
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Post by annable on Mar 27, 2024 17:24:37 GMT
I am not in favour of sacking anybody after 13 games and it's not the sort of thing Ben does but he must have had a little think about in on Saturday if only briefly. When he removed Dino in December after the shocking game against Stevenage it went against what he normally does which is to wait until we are actually in the relegation zone(apart from Pesch back in L2) before pulling the trigger. Whilst the form at the time was not great we were a little bit clear of the drop zone and although I wasn't enjoying the football particularly I didn't think we would go down with him in charge but Ben's relationship with him(or lack of) seem to influence his decision.
He then left Gary Mills in charge who didn't do anything majorly different and we ticked along until MP was appointed.
Now if I were in the chairman's shoes the main thing I would have been looking for would have been an improvement in the style of play which is actually what influences how many people come through the gate. It's been proven time and time again that the football watching public of Burton on Trent and beyond will not watch us just because of the level we are playing at and also who we are playing(unless it's Man City or Liverpool etc). It's what's being served up on the pitch and how entertaining it is that deems what the crowds will be. Unfortunately for MP he has very quickly picked up the reputation of Dino Mark 2 and regardless of what happens this season and whether we stay up or go down that is unlikely to change.
This leaves the chairman with a massive dilemma as regards season tickets as i'm afraid that without a change of manager we are likely to be selling less than this time last year, the budget will reduce and if MP is still in charge then he will have less to play with which then reduces his chances of putting an entertaining team together.
For me, if I was given a choice of staying in L1 and having seasons like the last four or going down to L2 but having a more entertaining team that at least attacked with a purpose and scored a few goals I think I would rather go down and I can't believe I am saying that. I recall my first ever Brewers home game back in the 79/80 season I think it was and we beat Gateshead 8-0 and I came away wanting to go to the next home game and the one after that as I was actually entertained. The opposition didn't matter and the league we were in didn't matter I was just excited to see Burton Albion. If some of the games this season had been my first experience of Burton Albion I would unlikely continue to attend and find a different hobby like watching paint dry.
I don't expect us to win all the time, that's just not reality, but the poor, negative football on show of the last few years is starting to drain the most ardent of fans never mind attracting new fans. That said, just got 2 tickets for Wigan today so maybe some of us are beyond turning and just put up with anything!
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Post by bartonyellow on Mar 27, 2024 19:15:37 GMT
I am fine with relegation if I thought it meant more attractive football next season - but if MP stays it will be more of the same if not worse. That is unthinkable. Keep that up and we have the Tamworth derby back on. This season has been a real struggle to motivate myself to go, especially with 2 children and a myriad of other things I could do on a Saturday afternoon. For me, it has to be now, but only if there is someone credible to take over, otherwise we may as well stick with what we have for 7 more games. What a grim state we find ourselves in. The analogy of the boiling frog is very much true here. It’s been happening for 4 seasons and we are helpless as supporters to fix it.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Mar 28, 2024 6:45:22 GMT
Ask Warnock if he fancies one last challenge. Prepare yourself for 4-4-2 and a scrap, but at least it'd be more entertaining than the rubbish we've watched recently. A scrap? It's been a long time since we saw one of them. We've been lambs to the slaughter recently.
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Post by bartonyellow on Mar 28, 2024 8:57:18 GMT
Ask Warnock if he fancies one last challenge. Prepare yourself for 4-4-2 and a scrap, but at least it'd be more entertaining than the rubbish we've watched recently. A scrap? It's been a long time since we saw one of them. We've been lambs to the slaughter recently. Talking of lambs - Tamworth can get promoted tomorrow if results go for them. We could potentially only be one division apart next season. It was a gap of 5. They have progressed and we have regressed it seems.
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Post by mikeyboy on Mar 28, 2024 9:30:48 GMT
I am not in favour of sacking anybody after 13 games and it's not the sort of thing Ben does but he must have had a little think about in on Saturday if only briefly. When he removed Dino in December after the shocking game against Stevenage it went against what he normally does which is to wait until we are actually in the relegation zone(apart from Pesch back in L2) before pulling the trigger. Whilst the form at the time was not great we were a little bit clear of the drop zone and although I wasn't enjoying the football particularly I didn't think we would go down with him in charge but Ben's relationship with him(or lack of) seem to influence his decision. He then left Gary Mills in charge who didn't do anything majorly different and we ticked along until MP was appointed. Now if I were in the chairman's shoes the main thing I would have been looking for would have been an improvement in the style of play which is actually what influences how many people come through the gate. It's been proven time and time again that the football watching public of Burton on Trent and beyond will not watch us just because of the level we are playing at and also who we are playing(unless it's Man City or Liverpool etc). It's what's being served up on the pitch and how entertaining it is that deems what the crowds will be. Unfortunately for MP he has very quickly picked up the reputation of Dino Mark 2 and regardless of what happens this season and whether we stay up or go down that is unlikely to change. This leaves the chairman with a massive dilemma as regards season tickets as i'm afraid that without a change of manager we are likely to be selling less than this time last year, the budget will reduce and if MP is still in charge then he will have less to play with which then reduces his chances of putting an entertaining team together. For me, if I was given a choice of staying in L1 and having seasons like the last four or going down to L2 but having a more entertaining team that at least attacked with a purpose and scored a few goals I think I would rather go down and I can't believe I am saying that. I recall my first ever Brewers home game back in the 79/80 season I think it was and we beat Gateshead 8-0 and I came away wanting to go to the next home game and the one after that as I was actually entertained. The opposition didn't matter and the league we were in didn't matter I was just excited to see Burton Albion. If some of the games this season had been my first experience of Burton Albion I would unlikely continue to attend and find a different hobby like watching paint dry. I don't expect us to win all the time, that's just not reality, but the poor, negative football on show of the last few years is starting to drain the most ardent of fans never mind attracting new fans. That said, just got 2 tickets for Wigan today so maybe some of us are beyond turning and just put up with anything! We were 17th when Dino was sacked and we had experienced strikers who would have kept us up. Stockton (84 career goals), Lubala (22 career goals), Gordon (44 career goals), Walker (52 career goals), all had goals in them. Dino’s exit was to pave the way for cost cutting in my opinion.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Mar 28, 2024 11:26:51 GMT
The problem is, signings will be cleared & contracts signed off by Ben. If we were over budget in January or required cost cutting, that lays on him. The same goes for when Jimmy had a squad of 35 players.
We can't go into seasons expecting a good cup run etc to help finance the season, especially given how bad we've been in them in recent years.
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Post by mikeyboy on Mar 28, 2024 17:01:06 GMT
We were actually very unfortunate in the FA Cup oas Josh Walker scored a perfectly legitimate winner at Port Vale in injury time at Vale Park, only for it to be ruled out for offside. We then lost the replay.
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Post by keggy on Mar 28, 2024 18:17:40 GMT
I am not in favour of sacking anybody after 13 games and it's not the sort of thing Ben does but he must have had a little think about in on Saturday if only briefly. When he removed Dino in December after the shocking game against Stevenage it went against what he normally does which is to wait until we are actually in the relegation zone(apart from Pesch back in L2) before pulling the trigger. Whilst the form at the time was not great we were a little bit clear of the drop zone and although I wasn't enjoying the football particularly I didn't think we would go down with him in charge but Ben's relationship with him(or lack of) seem to influence his decision. He then left Gary Mills in charge who didn't do anything majorly different and we ticked along until MP was appointed. Now if I were in the chairman's shoes the main thing I would have been looking for would have been an improvement in the style of play which is actually what influences how many people come through the gate. It's been proven time and time again that the football watching public of Burton on Trent and beyond will not watch us just because of the level we are playing at and also who we are playing(unless it's Man City or Liverpool etc). It's what's being served up on the pitch and how entertaining it is that deems what the crowds will be. Unfortunately for MP he has very quickly picked up the reputation of Dino Mark 2 and regardless of what happens this season and whether we stay up or go down that is unlikely to change. This leaves the chairman with a massive dilemma as regards season tickets as i'm afraid that without a change of manager we are likely to be selling less than this time last year, the budget will reduce and if MP is still in charge then he will have less to play with which then reduces his chances of putting an entertaining team together. For me, if I was given a choice of staying in L1 and having seasons like the last four or going down to L2 but having a more entertaining team that at least attacked with a purpose and scored a few goals I think I would rather go down and I can't believe I am saying that. I recall my first ever Brewers home game back in the 79/80 season I think it was and we beat Gateshead 8-0 and I came away wanting to go to the next home game and the one after that as I was actually entertained. The opposition didn't matter and the league we were in didn't matter I was just excited to see Burton Albion. If some of the games this season had been my first experience of Burton Albion I would unlikely continue to attend and find a different hobby like watching paint dry. I don't expect us to win all the time, that's just not reality, but the poor, negative football on show of the last few years is starting to drain the most ardent of fans never mind attracting new fans. That said, just got 2 tickets for Wigan today so maybe some of us are beyond turning and just put up with anything! We were 17th when Dino was sacked and we had experienced strikers who would have kept us up. Stockton (84 career goals), Lubala (22 career goals), Gordon (44 career goals), Walker (52 career goals), all had goals in them. Dino’s exit was to pave the way for cost cutting in my opinion. Apart from Lubala, none of them looked like scoring. We had to gamble in january and the majority of us on here were glad that we did
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Mar 28, 2024 19:25:37 GMT
A scrap? It's been a long time since we saw one of them. We've been lambs to the slaughter recently. Talking of lambs - Tamworth can get promoted tomorrow if results go for them. We could potentially only be one division apart next season. It was a gap of 5. They have progressed and we have regressed it seems. I'm glad we have had our journey rather than theirs.
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Post by melymoss on Mar 28, 2024 21:11:48 GMT
First time I’ve posted on here for quite a while but I’ll put my thoughts out now for what there worth. I think Ben has been a brilliant chairman that goes without saying but he has made mistakes ( he is human ). The club has been in decline for a while now certainly since we got relegated from the Championship. Nigel Clough wanted to keep the core of the Championship side together add one or two players and have a go at going straight back up into the Championship. I personally would have trusted NC to get it right but Ben didn’t want to take that gamble which is understandable. Hindsight is a great thing but does Ben now regret that decision. If I’m honest probably not. He won’t gamble the club’s future which again I fully understand. NC went on to pastures new and to be honest Ben hasn’t really got a lot right since with his managerial appointments. I think this season is down to Dino’s poor signings. Ben’s obviously backed him and it hasn’t worked out. When you look at Dino’s track record he’s good at getting teams out of a hole but he doesn’t seem to know how to push on the next season. Martin Paterson has come in but the cost cutting had already started basically he’s been left in a boat sailing down s**t creek without a paddle. There are certain things he could have done better but he’s not been given a golden opportunity to keep us up. I think Dino and Ben are mainly to blame this season and like most on here it’s difficult to be confident about us staying up. We’ll learn our fate very soon.
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Post by 11railwaycuttings on Mar 30, 2024 10:45:05 GMT
It will be a miracle if the club escapes relegation this season,realistically the team needs to win four games out of those remaining. I doubt if that will happen,but you never know? As for the manager yes his hands were tied with people being shipped out,and those who chose not to stay. Will he be allowed to stay,that’s up to the chairman,but preparation for next season must be more thorough. The past few seasons have been a shambles compared to what has gone on before. Burton Albion is still a great club,but now has been bought to its knees,by bad decisions and crap management.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 1, 2024 16:53:43 GMT
Burton Albion 1 Barnsley 3.
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Post by melymoss on Apr 1, 2024 18:05:12 GMT
This is the thing sinfin.Dino spent all the money on very average players for a league one outfit. Whoever came in as manager was going to have very very little money to play with. The cost cutting went ahead before MP became manager and he was left with peanuts to try and keep the team up. Like I said in a previous post I blame Dino for the mess we’re in and Ben for making some terrible decisions regarding the managerial positions since Nigel Clough left. Yes certain decisions that MP has made you can question but you can do that with any manager. Today MP changed things we went 1 up then capitulated. I honestly don’t think it matters what formation tactics or anything else we use the truth is we’re a poor league one side. I haven’t got a lot of confidence in us staying up but I do think MP like I said previously has been thrown in a boat sailing down s**t creek without a paddle. He hasn’t been given any tools to rectify the previous managers mistakes. Yes some of the players that Dino brought in are scoring for other clubs but they obviously weren’t doing it for Dino so obviously something was very wrong. If MP stays next season and he’s the right man for the job I honestly don’t know but I think he’s getting blamed for a lot of things that he hasn’t really had a lot of control over.
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Post by luke on Apr 1, 2024 20:22:50 GMT
I was listening to the reaction show on Radio Derby (which the whole 60 minutes was dedicated to us by the way - not April Fools I promise) and at 37:47, they said that Ben came to Martin and was effectively telling him to keep his chin up. We are in until the end of the season with Martin whether we like it or not I think www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hj4lvh
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Post by melymoss on Apr 1, 2024 21:10:41 GMT
I was listening to the reaction show on Radio Derby (which the whole 60 minutes was dedicated to us by the way - not April Fools I promise) and at 37:47, they said that Ben came to Martin and was effectively telling him to keep his chin up. We are in until the end of the season with Martin whether we like it or not I think www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hj4lvhAnd so we should be
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