jeanf
Schoolboy Papers
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Post by jeanf on Jan 17, 2024 17:12:02 GMT
Sadly he never fulfilled his potential for us ..... probably the injuries...!!!
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Post by bennyboy on Jan 17, 2024 17:25:17 GMT
Sadly he never fulfilled his potential for us ..... probably the injuries...!!! We'll never get to know fully how injured or to put it another way, how match ready he was? Initially yes he had a lengthy lay off through injury but other factors hint at his absence more recently. I wish him well, sadly I didn't get to see much of him, so not much comment on that side of things. He'll probably start banging in goals now if picked to play, something that was obviously lacking here.
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 17, 2024 17:51:55 GMT
Sadly he never fulfilled his potential for us ..... probably the injuries...!!! We'll never get to know fully how injured or to put it another way, how match ready he was? Initially yes he had a lengthy lay off through injury but other factors hint at his absence more recently. I wish him well, sadly I didn't get to see much of him, so not much comment on that side of things. He'll probably start banging in goals now if picked to play, something that was obviously lacking here. I think he will do both. Get picked by Pete Wild and score goals.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jan 17, 2024 17:54:31 GMT
He's on a two year deal so you never know what the future may hold.
I hope Barrow are paying all or at least a very high percentage of his wages. I'd much prefer him to go there and score quite a few as that gives us a stronger hand in the summer.
Now if we can get a few more off the wage bill either out on loan or permanently it will give us some extra flexibility to bring in much needed additions over the next two weeks.
Walker looks likely to go somewhere, I'd send Chauke out on loan to build himself back up after a long lay-off, Bennett/Harper are ones you never know what might happen... and we might get a customary surprise exit or two.
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 17, 2024 18:14:52 GMT
He's on a two year deal so you never know what the future may hold. I hope Barrow are paying all or at least a very high percentage of his wages. I'd much prefer him to go there and score quite a few as that gives us a stronger hand in the summer. Now if we can get a few more off the wage bill either out on loan or permanently it will give us some extra flexibility to bring in much needed additions over the next two weeks. Walker looks likely to go somewhere, I'd send Chauke out on loan to build himself back up after a long lay-off, Bennett/Harper are ones you never know what might happen... and we might get a customary surprise exit or two. Hughes?
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Post by keggy on Jan 17, 2024 18:20:56 GMT
Steady on Mikey! Difficult to predict tho
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jan 17, 2024 18:31:26 GMT
Hughes is definitely a possibility, he as is Powell are both down to the last 6 months of contract now.
With Hughes we'd have to weigh up if interest does come along is it worth accepting a smaller fee, or utilising his qualities in our battle to stay up and likely losing him in the summer. Realistically what could we push to get for Hughes? £100k tops maybe?
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Post by popsidepete59 on Jan 17, 2024 18:44:26 GMT
We should be looking to offer contract extensions to our prized assets. Then if other clubs do come in for them, we as a club can demand a fee. I'm fed up of us losing our better players on the cheap or the usual undisclosed fees. If the management team can guarantee getting better players in than say Hughesy or Joe, then they could listen to offers. Just don't let em go on the cheap, it's not fair on the team, the club the new manager and the fans. We should keep our better players and add more quality, not weaken.
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Jan 17, 2024 19:01:44 GMT
We should be looking to offer contract extensions to our prized assets. Then if other clubs do come in for them, we as a club can demand a fee. I'm fed up of us losing our better players on the cheap or the usual undisclosed fees. If the management team can guarantee getting better players in than say Hughesy or Joe, then they could listen to offers. Just don't let em go on the cheap, it's not fair on the team, the club the new manager and the fans. We should keep our better players and add more quality, not weaken. If they are 24, then you could offer them the Bank of England reserves but you still won't get a fee if out of contract.
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Post by Ilson Brewer on Jan 17, 2024 19:39:46 GMT
People mentioning again the rumour that Stockton fell out with Maamria. Well Maamria has gone, so where’s the problem? I can only deduce that Stockton is the problem so good riddance.
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Post by bartonyellow on Jan 17, 2024 20:00:24 GMT
People mentioning again the rumour that Stockton fell out with Maamria. Well Maamria has gone, so where’s the problem? I can only deduce that Stockton is the problem so good riddance. Possibly - but we do know. The wheels could have already been in motion for his exit when Dino was in charge. We did hear Carlisle as a rumour back last year. I’m sure the tactics will have played some part in it. But let’s be honest his attitude was poor so as you say good riddance.
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Post by popsidepete59 on Jan 17, 2024 20:49:56 GMT
We should be looking to offer contract extensions to our prized assets. Then if other clubs do come in for them, we as a club can demand a fee. I'm fed up of us losing our better players on the cheap or the usual undisclosed fees. If the management team can guarantee getting better players in than say Hughesy or Joe, then they could listen to offers. Just don't let em go on the cheap, it's not fair on the team, the club the new manager and the fans. We should keep our better players and add more quality, not weaken. If they are 24, then you could offer them the Bank of England reserves but you still won't get a fee if out of contract. That's why I said offer them contract extensions, even another 12 months. Look after the family silver.
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Jan 17, 2024 21:53:04 GMT
If they are 24, then you could offer them the Bank of England reserves but you still won't get a fee if out of contract. That's why I said offer them contract extensions, even another 12 months. Look after the family silver. But Powell and Hughes are both over 24, it won't make a difference.
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Post by popsidepete59 on Jan 18, 2024 7:58:09 GMT
That's why I said offer them contract extensions, even another 12 months. Look after the family silver. But Powell and Hughes are both over 24, it won't make a difference. Ian, I didn't know there was a criteria for age, I just thought it was as simple as if they were on a contract the club could demand a fee, and if they were out of contract they could leave without a fee🙈🙈
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Post by rokerite on Jan 18, 2024 8:54:30 GMT
It was the signing of Stockton that made me sit up and take notice of Burton Albion last summer. What a massive disappointment he's been for you and me. Let's hope the young Durham lad is everything Stockton was not. Dom Telford moving to Crawley in summer '22 was one of the most eye catching signings of that window. Stockton joining you was the stand out move of summer '23. Who'd have dreamt that in January '24 they'd both be lining up for Barrow?
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Post by annable on Jan 18, 2024 8:58:15 GMT
It was the signing of Stockton that made me sit up and take notice of Burton Albion last summer. What a massive disappointment he's been for you and me. Let's hope the young Durham lad is everything Stockton was not. Dom Telford moving to Crawley in summer '22 was one of the most eye catching signings of that window. Stockton joining you was the stand out move of summer '23. Who'd have dreamt that in January '24 they'd both be lining up for Barrow? Can't disagree with that. The other stat I can't stop thinking about is who'd have thought that Stockton would leave us after 6 months with more league own goals under his belt and actual goals for us. He' still on minus one for the season in the league!
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 18, 2024 10:36:46 GMT
But Powell and Hughes are both over 24, it won't make a difference. Ian, I didn't know there was a criteria for age, I just thought it was as simple as if they were on a contract the club could demand a fee, and if they were out of contract they could leave without a fee🙈🙈 You are correct. If they are under contract then the club can demand a fee irrespective of age. If the player is out of contract but under the age of 24 then the club can demand a fee/compensation providing they have offered terms at least as good as the previous terms they were on. If they are over 24, and out of contract, they can move with no fee to be paid and they are free agents. Eg. Terry Taylor was out of contract in the summer so we would have got some sort of fee due to his age. Deji was out of contract too and had he signed elsewhere we would have got nothing despite offering new terms.
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Post by popsidepete59 on Jan 18, 2024 11:06:58 GMT
Ian, I didn't know there was a criteria for age, I just thought it was as simple as if they were on a contract the club could demand a fee, and if they were out of contract they could leave without a fee🙈🙈 You are correct. If they are under contract then the club can demand a fee irrespective of age. If the player is out of contract but under the age of 24 then the club can demand a fee/compensation providing they have offered terms at least as good as the previous terms they were on. If they are over 24, and out of contract, they can move with no fee to be paid and they are free agents. Eg. Terry Taylor was out of contract in the summer so we would have got some sort of fee due to his age. Deji was out of contract too and had he signed elsewhere we would have got nothing despite offering new terms. Thanks for that Ian👍
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jan 18, 2024 11:26:55 GMT
You never know what preliminary negotiations go on in the background but in the case of Hughes & Powell, both would be stupid to sign a deal not knowing which division we'll be in and the likelihood of other offers being on the table in the summer. I don't believe either are quite up to Championship standards, although certainly could do a job at the higher ends of L1, a move to somewhere like a Peterborough could see them double their wages, or Wrexham, triple.
Plus we've never been a club to really sign players up for the following season early on, which obviously has its advantages and disadvantages.
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Jan 18, 2024 18:47:52 GMT
Ian, I didn't know there was a criteria for age, I just thought it was as simple as if they were on a contract the club could demand a fee, and if they were out of contract they could leave without a fee🙈🙈 You are correct. If they are under contract then the club can demand a fee irrespective of age. If the player is out of contract but under the age of 24 then the club can demand a fee/compensation providing they have offered terms at least as good as the previous terms they were on. If they are over 24, and out of contract, they can move with no fee to be paid and they are free agents. Eg. Terry Taylor was out of contract in the summer so we would have got some sort of fee due to his age. Deji was out of contract too and had he signed elsewhere we would have got nothing despite offering new terms. I think I agree with you both, what I was Ham fistedly trying to say was just the act of offering a contract to a player over 24 doesn't enable a fee to be charged. I made my point badly. Ian's summary... #spoton
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