Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 22:31:21 GMT
Part 1 - Where were you standing? Part 2 - there is no question about us going up, we Are going up. Part 1 - Towards the home end on the pop side (btw I am not wanting to start an argument here, just wondered about the decision making from a refs point of view) Part 2 - We are when we are mathematically (but I have believed we will for a long time) Ok, speaking as a fan and not a ref. You will agree it is difficult to make a call from 70-75 yards away. I was probably 30 yards away and not in a position to make 'the' call but right away I said yellow to those around. Why, because Jono was running from his goal and jumped to catch the ball and landed outside he box, I didn't think there was obvious intent to handle outside the box. I also thought there were other players in the area thus not making him last man. Side note, and not a part of my reasoning above. Someone who said they were in line with the play said he caught the ball on the line and landed outside. That, if true, would explain the AR's call, standing on the 18 then taking a step to his left and waving the flag for a foul. Hopefully they show it on the league show, but don't hold your breath.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 22:39:19 GMT
I was hoping nasser injury was to waste a bit of time No, he really got clattered from behind. It happened right in front of us. He was rubbing his lower back/kidney area a lot afterwards. I think his substitution in the 92nd minute might have been to waste a bit of time.
|
|
|
Post by observer on Apr 6, 2015 22:40:35 GMT
I've not seen it
But if he's accidentally ended up outside the box with ball in his hands then it's not even a yellow and it's just handball isn't it?
Only way you can explain yellow is the refs considered it deliberate but that it wasn't goalscoring opportunity?
Or the refs bottled it!
|
|
|
Post by dovecliff on Apr 6, 2015 23:44:35 GMT
Massive win today, up there with the Southend performance in terms of importance. A word about McLaughlin, I feel he has stepped up a level since Shearer has arrived. Saved some crucial points for Albion in recent games, with the brilliant reflex save in the second half as a prime example.
COYB
|
|
|
Post by porky on Apr 7, 2015 0:57:01 GMT
One is even tweeting the FA!!! He'll probably get a response around December then! FA? who are they ? Eff all. Lol I'm not sure what Wycombe have to complain about. The ref bought most of their cheating and the lino on the poside was awful in both halves. Consistently crap tho. The match was entertaining. A nail biter but we got what we deserved. We are going up say we are going up!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 6:46:40 GMT
Part 1 - Towards the home end on the pop side (btw I am not wanting to start an argument here, just wondered about the decision making from a refs point of view) Part 2 - We are when we are mathematically (but I have believed we will for a long time) Ok, speaking as a fan and not a ref. You will agree it is difficult to make a call from 70-75 yards away. I was probably 30 yards away and not in a position to make 'the' call but right away I said yellow to those around. Why, because Jono was running from his goal and jumped to catch the ball and landed outside he box, I didn't think there was obvious intent to handle outside the box. I also thought there were other players in the area thus not making him last man. Side note, and not a part of my reasoning above. Someone who said they were in line with the play said he caught the ball on the line and landed outside. That, if true, would explain the AR's call, standing on the 18 then taking a step to his left and waving the flag for a foul. Hopefully they show it on the league show, but don't hold your breath. Peacock I totally agree with you about the McLaughlin booking, that's how I saw it. It was accidental not intentional. I don't think any of our players were injured to any degree but not sure if Mcrory had picked up a knock first half or his substitution was tactical. Wycombe are a physical side, just within the rules but to me it seems they are always trying to influence the referee. They huffed and puffed a lot but either didn't create much or we didn't give them chance to create much is how I prefer to see it. I said at half time the key for us was getting the ball to El Khayati's feet, we did that and that was the difference, he has the skills to beat players both ways and the vision to open a game up, think he is growing as a player and the crowd have warmed to him. All players put in a good shift yesterday and I wouldn't single anybody out but I did notice how competitive and how much ball Tom Naylor won in midfield along with young Kevin Stewart. Mathematically we are not up yet, 7 points needed unless Bury drop more points in which case that total will come down. Yesterday was a huge step and it would take a monumental collapse for us not to gain promotion. I am very confident we will be in league one next season !
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 6:57:31 GMT
Having seen it on the FLS, I think the referee got it right. It was a deliberate handball, he caught it and he happened to go outside the box.
But, if he had not handled, there are two issues:
a) Would the ball have gone in? It doesn't look like it but Jono does carefully move towards the side after he catches it (I think it would have been close though). b) Would one of their players got on the end of it and scored? No, I think the ball would have gone out, but the favourite player to get there was Moose. The black guy alongside him stops and Moose reacts before any of their guys. The white player who appears to be the most wound up about it never had a chance of catching it.
|
|
|
Post by observer on Apr 7, 2015 7:45:47 GMT
Sounds like kind of incident where had opposition keeper done it against us we would have wanted him sent off
When your own keeper does it then clearly you see it the other way
That's football.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 9:20:27 GMT
I have subsequently listened to the comments of Ainsworth, Claridge and Curbishly on the FLS. Surely they are all missing the point, a deliberate handball by a 'keeper is not a red card offence per se is it? Surely it is about the circumstances of the handball, i.e. does he prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity.
Poor punditry I think.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 9:35:13 GMT
My thoughts exactly funky. Good to see McLaughlin being recognised for his performances by being nominated for league 2 player of the month and Jimmy also for manager of the month
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 9:46:55 GMT
Ok, speaking as a fan and not a ref. You will agree it is difficult to make a call from 70-75 yards away. I was probably 30 yards away and not in a position to make 'the' call but right away I said yellow to those around. Why, because Jono was running from his goal and jumped to catch the ball and landed outside he box, I didn't think there was obvious intent to handle outside the box. I also thought there were other players in the area thus not making him last man. Side note, and not a part of my reasoning above. Someone who said they were in line with the play said he caught the ball on the line and landed outside. That, if true, would explain the AR's call, standing on the 18 then taking a step to his left and waving the flag for a foul. Hopefully they show it on the league show, but don't hold your breath. Peacock I totally agree with you about the McLaughlin booking, that's how I saw it. It was accidental not intentional. Well, again it comes down to angles. our angle when viewing live and the camera angle in the highlights. Although I wouldn't put a bet on it, after watching and pausing the incident in the highlights several times, that may not have even been a foul. He seems to hold the ball on the line throughout even though his feet were outside...but it comes down to the viewing angle? And no a keeper handling outside is not always an automatic red. Moose and Shane were both closer to the play/ball than their players so would have got to it anyway I think. Anyway, 3 more crucial points and Bury took a step down from us and there is no way they will win their remaining 6.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 9:58:01 GMT
I have subsequently listened to the comments of Ainsworth, Claridge and Curbishly on the FLS. Surely they are all missing the point, a deliberate handball by a 'keeper is not a red card offence per se is it? Surely it is about the circumstances of the handball, i.e. does he prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity. Poor punditry I think. Precisely. It's not a red card. If McLaughlin doesn't touch it then either a) Mousinho is getting there first or b) the ball is sailing harmlessly out of play because the Wycombe player isn't getting there. It's not denying a goalscoring opportunity therefore it's not a sending off. Ainsworth and the Wycombe fans are saying it's a red card because it happened against them. Tweeting the FA about it is utterly ludicrous and laughable. We've been on the wrong end of critical refereeing decisions fairly regularly recently and we've still got on with it and got results. If Claridge is saying it's a red then I'm not surprised because he's an abomination of a pundit and refuses to ever give us credit and Curbishley is a dinosaur of punditry who should've been put out to pasture years ago. Wycombe need to man the "I've just used a rather silly word and been auto-edited" up, stop whinging and get on with it. They can still finish above us but if they keep moaning about what "could have been" and everything being against them then that's when the white flag starts to appear. By all means Chairboys, whinge away!
|
|
kel
Youth Team
Posts: 176
|
Post by kel on Apr 7, 2015 10:07:31 GMT
Re McLaughlins booking. When the ball is close to the ground it is easier to say when it is in or out of the penalty area. When it is 7 to 10 feet in the air it is harder to judge and MCG did try to keep it in the area.
|
|
|
Post by E7#9 on Apr 7, 2015 10:41:02 GMT
Oh get over yourselves, Wycombe, you bunch of cheaty little bastards. From kick-off to the final whistle they were rolling over like they had been shot, yelling into the referee's face to get players booked or sent off and deliberately trying to wind-up the opposition with petty handbags. If that's how they got to where they are in the league this season then I hope they fall out of the top three and lose in the play-off semi finals. Little Burton Albion, the pub team, beat you. Fact.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 10:48:59 GMT
We had a good goal chalked off in the last home game with Stevenage and McHugh's foul on Akins that lead to his goal at Plymouth went against us. These things tend to even themselves out over a season. Referees have a difficult job, they are human and make mistakes like the rest of us. Having said that I think the referee got it right on Monday. Too many fans are used to watching the Premier league with its over analysis on and everything and the sensationalism of every decision. A yellow card and a free kick all day long.
|
|
|
Post by swaddy Dave on Apr 7, 2015 15:21:57 GMT
I don't give a damn whether the ref got the McLaughlin decision wrong or not, it went the right way for us anyway! All I care about is we got the 3 points that we needed and deserved! COYB We are getting close
|
|
|
Post by claymillman on Apr 7, 2015 15:29:09 GMT
I don't give a damn weather the ref got the McLaughlin decision wrong or not, it went the right way for us anyway! All I care about is we got the 3 points that we needed and deserved! COYB We are getting close Well said Swaddy. It's gone forget it. Wycombe must get over it either way. They will have had decisions going there way this season. Only 9 out of 10 though for using the wrong whether
|
|
|
Post by swaddy Dave on Apr 7, 2015 15:34:55 GMT
I don't give a damn weather the ref got the McLaughlin decision wrong or not, it went the right way for us anyway! All I care about is we got the 3 points that we needed and deserved! COYB We are getting close Well said Swaddy. It's gone forget it. Wycombe must get over it either way. They will have had decisions going there way this season. Only 9 out of 10 though for using the wrong whether Thanks teach, I have corrected it! Any chance of a 10 now .
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 17:16:12 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Frank Ashton on Apr 8, 2015 9:15:48 GMT
I don't give a damn whether the ref got the McLaughlin decision wrong or not, it went the right way for us anyway! All I care about is we got the 3 points that we needed and deserved! COYB We are getting close I remember the match at Wycombe when their penalty came from the most blatent dive that I've seen all season in any match. The resultant goal gave them hope in a match where we were on top throughout. Poor refereeiing decisions seem to even themselves out over a season. (and we had a very good keeper to come on if John McL had been red carded)
|
|