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Post by bancroft on Apr 1, 2024 17:49:01 GMT
From the start of the 2nd half the players looked really nervous. That can only be down to half time team talk
Didn’t deal with Barnsley coming at us. Everyone knew that was going to happen
Only players who performed were Brayford and Hugill. hugill should have scored really. That’s the difference between a Man Utd prospect and a Man Utd get released and end up at a league one club unfortunately
We are deep in trouble now.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 1, 2024 17:49:44 GMT
It feels very much like the Buxton appointment this one at this stage. Completely overwhelmed by the job and making too many big & costly mistakes.
Talks a good game but can't do the job at hand.
Dino wasn't a good manager for the most part but at least had some previous managerial experience to fall back on. In the end his blind inability to correct his own failings got him the chop.
Is Dreyer a guilty assailant in how badly we've been this season, is he the devil on the shoulder giving out bad advice? Who knows. He's been under two managers this season and they've both been terrible.
We've got the players on paper to stay up, even if it's a poor squad by our previous standards. Unfortunately our diabolical tactics this season have turned a cheap wine into pure vinegar.
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 1, 2024 18:01:10 GMT
It feels very much like the Buxton appointment this one at this stage. Completely overwhelmed by the job and making too many big & costly mistakes. Talks a good game but can't do the job at hand. Dino wasn't a good manager for the most part but at least had some previous managerial experience to fall back on. In the end his blind inability to correct his own failings got him the chop. Is Dreyer a guilty assailant in how badly we've been this season, is he the devil on the shoulder giving out bad advice? Who knows. He's been under two managers this season and they've both been terrible. We've got the players on paper to stay up, even if it's a poor squad by our previous standards. Unfortunately our diabolical tactics this season have turned a cheap wine into pure vinegar. It seems Gary Mills is always in the ear of MP on the touchline. TBH we were ok with him but over time would he have been up to the job? Dreyer, I'm clueless as to what input he has on selection of the team, probably not much reading MP's thought process but I'd be only guessing.🤔
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Post by annable on Apr 1, 2024 18:01:26 GMT
Where to start with that.
First half was decent and we scored a good goal and just about deservedly lead. Don't think I have heard an opposing team booed off like they were at half time. However, the replacing of Bennett after 20 minutes or so(told you he wasn't up to two games in a week) with Deji and asking him to play the number ten role seemed a strange one but given we lead at half time we let that one pass. No doubt in my mind that after their recent results, the fan reaction to the starting line on social media and the subsequent first half performance that they were there for the taking. Time to put your foot down on the gas and kick them when they are down. Did we do that? No.
I talked after the Wigan game about the relevance of substitutions and the timing of them and the game changed in their favour with the introduction of Macatee and Phillips. Mikeyboy is correct when he says we just don't have that level of quality to bring on like they did and in all honesty we just don't have the quality full stop. In the blink of an eye they were 3-1 up and its game over. We were shell shocked and went down without a fight. We made a few changes at 3-1 down against a top team who have wrestled the momentum away from you it had zero effect. To be honest I was more concerned about us shipping two or three more which would have dented our goal difference which may come into play at the end of the season. Our normally resolute back line was found wanting second half with at one point John Brayford closing down their centre halves as our furthest player forward. They scored 30 seconds later. Not sure what happened with the second other than it started off from one of our ineffective long throws and the scorer seemed to put it in from a mile outside the box with Crocombe in no mans land. Ridiculous. We were made to pay from sitting back at the start of the second half and playing attack against defence for 45 minutes against them was never going to work.
Defeats for Port Vale and Cheltenham mean it's as you were and it looks like two from three now with Fleetwood and Carlisle appearing gone and Cambridge doing what we couldn't do in the last two games and beat Wigan and Barnsley.
I see that MP is taking the full blame for the situation on social media and whilst he hasn't done everything perfectly I have changed my view and think he took on a poison chalice and this squad post the January swapping of the forward lines means we are just not good enough. The squad is so imbalanced and whilst he talks a good game he must now be realising that we have an imbalanced squad that carries little attacking threat. I just don't think that we have any combination of players within the club that could be put out and be deemed L1 standard. That's not his fault in fairness.
Stand on the trap door everyone and lets fall through together. You know it's coming.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 1, 2024 18:22:52 GMT
Where to start with that. First half was decent and we scored a good goal and just about deservedly lead. Don't think I have heard an opposing team booed off like they were at half time. However, the replacing of Bennett after 20 minutes or so(told you he wasn't up to two games in a week) with Deji and asking him to play the number ten role seemed a strange one but given we lead at half time we let that one pass. No doubt in my mind that after their recent results, the fan reaction to the starting line on social media and the subsequent first half performance that they were there for the taking. Time to put your foot down on the gas and kick them when they are down. Did we do that? No. I talked after the Wigan game about the relevance of substitutions and the timing of them and the game changed in their favour with the introduction of Macatee and Phillips. Mikeyboy is correct when he says we just don't have that level of quality to bring on like they did and in all honesty we just don't have the quality full stop. In the blink of an eye they were 3-1 up and its game over. We were shell shocked and went down without a fight. We made a few changes at 3-1 down against a top team who have wrestled the momentum away from you it had zero effect. To be honest I was more concerned about us shipping two or three more which would have dented our goal difference which may come into play at the end of the season. Our normally resolute back line was found wanting second half with at one point John Brayford closing down their centre halves as our furthest player forward. They scored 30 seconds later. Not sure what happened with the second other than it started off from one of our ineffective long throws and the scorer seemed to put it in from a mile outside the box with Crocombe in no mans land. Ridiculous. We were made to pay from sitting back at the start of the second half and playing attack against defence for 45 minutes against them was never going to work. Defeats for Port Vale and Cheltenham mean it's as you were and it looks like two from three now with Fleetwood and Carlisle appearing gone and Cambridge doing what we couldn't do in the last two games and beat Wigan and Barnsley. I see that MP is taking the full blame for the situation on social media and whilst he hasn't done everything perfectly I have changed my view and think he took on a poison chalice and this squad post the January swapping of the forward lines means we are just not good enough. The squad is so imbalanced and whilst he talks a good game he must now be realising that we have an imbalanced squad that carries little attacking threat. I just don't think that we have any combination of players within the club that could be put out and be deemed L1 standard. That's not his fault in fairness. Stand on the trap door everyone and lets fall through together. You know it's coming. This may well be the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. But for me it’s one person who has caused this collapse and his role is not the manager. He made a shocking misjudgment in trying to save costs and now we have no way out. I thought Dave Fletcher talked a lot of sense in Radio Derby’s Sportscene Final - we are more a National League outfit in terms of gates and ground and there is no guarantee that League 2 will be any easier for us. We have been punching above our weight for many years.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 1, 2024 18:35:00 GMT
I think we all agree that MP wasn't handed a very good set of tools.
Unless Dino had taken us over budget, which ultimately lies on Ben's shoulders, then I don't understand why we had to cut the costs so much in January.
I'm not saying we could've afforded to keep what we had and add to it, but to let 5 first teamers go/leave in Stockton, Walker, Gordon, Lubala and Lakin, and replace them with such inexperience seems crazy now just as it did back in January.
True, Hudlin & Bola are a little older but still had very limited League pedigree, and Nsiala was brought in later on. But from an attacking perspective it baffles the mind. One thing we had been struggling for all season for was goals, and we make ourselves even weaker in that position? Obviously we were unlucky with the Leko injury but he wasn't really a striker, although would've likely been a good wide option.
Surely you don't let established if underperforming players leave if you don't have at least some sort of replacements lined up? It's been estimated we likely freed up around £10k a week in wages.
All that being said. Martin needs to realise we have five games left to save the season. We need to play positively, we can't keep making the same mistakes. Five at the back is killing us. In the first half today, it wasn't a walk in the park but a little more attacking intent got us into the lead. Who knows what could've been if we'd kept our foot on the gas. At 1-1 you go defensively and give the opposition free reign and 10 minutes later the game is dead and over.
We've punched above our weight and achieved things we could've never expected, and it will sad to see that progress withered away so feebly. We can blame poor attendances and budgets, but let's not forget Ben has given both Jimmy & Dino enough to work with to bring in and create a competitive squad. An obsession with negative football has destroyed us. Year after year of square pegs in round holes, hoofball, and a lack of desire to win and succeed. Going into games scared of the opposition, when we know we can beat them or at least challenge them if we set up properly and give it a go.
I'm pretty sure we are done for now, and we'll have some darker times ahead after this season, but let's at least go out in style if this is our League One farewell?
Let's somehow stay up and live to fight another day next season. Please.
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 1, 2024 18:35:53 GMT
We were punching above our weight in the championship but we made it there. I'm afraid we won't ever again with this these manager selections, the so called budget restraints the poor decisions made by the top man. It's been absolute dire these past three seasons or so. Maybe we'll reduce the season ticket prices if we go down I heard today, absolutely no chance, it's a one way street, even less quality for the same price.
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Post by melymoss on Apr 1, 2024 18:41:28 GMT
I agree entirely Mikeyboy. I think the 2 seasons in the Championship hit home when we couldn’t fill our ground. The brakes were slammed on then. Although like you said nobody wants to talk about it but we are what we are. We got spoiled by Nigel Clough then Gary Rowett came in and pretty much everything was put on a plate for JFH. Nigel Clough came back we ended up in the Championship where he created a miracle keeping us up and very nearly repeating that the next season. The Burton public still didn’t come and since then we’ve been on a downward spiral. Ben has made some terrible decisions on the managerial front since but he’ll always say it doesn’t matter what league we play in we’ll always have a club to support. At least we’ve been on the journey and seen it. I hope we can stay in league one but definitely as a league club but if we do end up back in non league then I’ll remember these last however many years for the rest of my life. As ianmcgibbon said he’d sooner be on our journey than Tamworth’s which is perfectly true and to add another couple Nuneaton and Stafford Rangers too. It is frustrating but since following the brewers in the early 70’s I’d have never believed the fairytale we’ve all been on.
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 1, 2024 19:26:54 GMT
Reality is, our average home attendance minus away fans is bottom of league one. If we go down, it will be near the bottom of league two. The public are not interested sadly in the club. It might sound dramatic but we could slide down like Yeovil have done quite easily. I hope it does not happen but it’s so sad to see poor gates. 4000 today and 1500 are away fans. That’s 2500 on a bank holiday with decent weather and a pivotal fixture. Is it 3 sides terracing ? Perhaps. Is it the ticket pricing ? Perhaps. However I think it’s deeper routed than that. We are going down I am sure - and when we might return I cannot say. Walsall, notts county and chesterfield next season and perhaps port vale again too.
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Post by staffbrewer1950 on Apr 1, 2024 19:31:42 GMT
It was a decent performance first half but i was never confident of a win second half.They had the quality on the bench to bring on and that was the telling factor in the end,although our defending on their goals was poor.Listening to Sam Hughes on the radio after the match,has given me a bit more optimism and i do think the players will fight until the end.Its going to be a nervy few weeks.COYB.
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Post by everard on Apr 1, 2024 22:27:02 GMT
Why was Sweeney on the bench?
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 2, 2024 2:30:31 GMT
Why was Sweeney on the bench? Hadn’t trained due to a ‘family emergency’.
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Post by mikee on Apr 2, 2024 3:29:37 GMT
That's 20 points from 21 games since Dino departed.
We had 20 points after 20 games.
Nothing bad to say about either manager, or the players currently here, or the players we shipped out in January.
Won't be renewing to pay 'L1 Play-Off' money for 'L2 Relegation Fodder' entertainment, regardless of whether we beat the drop.
This has been going on for years, how many entertaining players came here, did nothing and left, or scored a few and left, to be replaced by a cheaper, less entertaining option?
Nigel had had enough, maybe he couldn't stomach the bean counting any more?
I took my friend's son today, 14, first ever live game, and he couldn't understand why we don't go to see Derby playing 'championship' football for half the price!
I couldn't find any reason to counter that argument, I just commented that we had let John Mousinho slip through the net as well, and we used to be much better than this!
I want to end the post with COYB and UTB, but in reality I expect it to be DTB, possibly followed by more DTB.
What a shame :-(
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Post by everard on Apr 2, 2024 8:11:26 GMT
Why was Sweeney on the bench? Hadn’t trained due to a ‘family emergency’. Hmmm! Able to be on bench, able to play? Probably more energy than others as he'd missed the Wigan game.. which he prepared for...??
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 2, 2024 8:50:19 GMT
Hadn’t trained due to a ‘family emergency’. Hmmm! Able to be on bench, able to play? Probably more energy than others as he'd missed the Wigan game.. which he prepared for...?? 1 of the central defenders had to be left out everard in a flat back 4 - MP would have used the ‘family emergency’ to ease out Sweeney. When he came on late on, if it had been me I’d have shoved him upfront as he’d be as likely to get us a goal as anybody.
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Post by 11railwaycuttings on Apr 2, 2024 9:43:00 GMT
What a mess four seasons of continual struggle,always going to happen that relegation would eventually happen? You sell your best players when someone waves a cheque book,and replace them with someone who is not of the same standard,the recent radio derby interview did really emphasise that the chairman has a good head for business,and he is still more than capable of running this club,what it did also show that season ticket holders that were not going to renew,that he was not particularly bothered if they did or they didn’t. Surely supporters are customers of a business this being a football club,I do find it that the club as a whole can’t be bothered with finding out why people will not be renewing,they should be proactive in not ignoring the situation. As a whole this season has been a disaster and sorry the chairman and the board whoever they are must take the blame,I can’t blame the current manager it’s a job well beyond anyone’s capabilities with your hands tied behind your back. Unfortunately it reminds of Doug Ellis at Aston Villa again careful with money and good at business,but held that club back through lack of investment during his later years in charge. It’s now happened at Burton Albion lack of investment has cost the club dearly,should the chairman now sell that’s up to him,but clearly things will not change until that happens. Anyone who thinks that League Two will be easier are in for a real shock,with the current squad it would be a struggle,the club would do well to avoid relegation. I’ve watched the club in non-league and have seen them rise up the league’s,I’m in know doubt if this current situation continues I will be around to see them drop back into non-league football.
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Post by fergo on Apr 2, 2024 10:49:55 GMT
The fat lady has not quite sung yet.
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Post by woody on Apr 2, 2024 10:51:50 GMT
I listened to the interview and the impression I got was that Ben felt that the supporters now remaining are the loyal, long term fans who are likely to renew even if the club is relegated.
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Post by everard on Apr 2, 2024 12:15:58 GMT
What a mess four seasons of continual struggle,always going to happen that relegation would eventually happen? You sell your best players when someone waves a cheque book,and replace them with someone who is not of the same standard,the recent radio derby interview did really emphasise that the chairman has a good head for business,and he is still more than capable of running this club,what it did also show that season ticket holders that were not going to renew,that he was not particularly bothered if they did or they didn’t. Surely supporters are customers of a business this being a football club,I do find it that the club as a whole can’t be bothered with finding out why people will not be renewing,they should be proactive in not ignoring the situation. As a whole this season has been a disaster and sorry the chairman and the board whoever they are must take the blame,I can’t blame the current manager it’s a job well beyond anyone’s capabilities with your hands tied behind your back. Unfortunately it reminds of Doug Ellis at Aston Villa again careful with money and good at business,but held that club back through lack of investment during his later years in charge. It’s now happened at Burton Albion lack of investment has cost the club dearly,should the chairman now sell that’s up to him,but clearly things will not change until that happens. Anyone who thinks that League Two will be easier are in for a real shock,with the current squad it would be a struggle,the club would do well to avoid relegation. I’ve watched the club in non-league and have seen them rise up the league’s,I’m in know doubt if this current situation continues I will be around to see them drop back into non-league football. That's a bit of a stretch, railway, comparing Doug Ellis holding back Aston Villa to Ben Robinson at Burton Albion... I believe that without Ben's ambition, business acumen, careful stewardship and love for Burton Albion, we'd have had continuous non-league football for the last 20 years and most likely not achieved even National level football if the previous 50 had continued.... As fergo rightly says... It ain't over till it's over... Keep fighting lads, keep supporting, fans! When the going gets tough, supporters have a significant role to play in the survival battle.... tho I suppose it's easier to moan and boo and tell everyone where it all went wrong, how it could've, would've, should've been different...preparing for the eventual 'I told you so! '
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Post by keggy on Apr 2, 2024 12:50:52 GMT
Well said
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