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Post by trevor1946 on Apr 12, 2020 14:34:36 GMT
Furlough is what most of population is on, and it is costing billions, to keep people safe, this pandemic is unprecedented and life changing. people come and go , Burton Albion and the community are doing their best for every one, and difficult decisions have to be made. Ben Robinson having little or no choices, with every other type of business.
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Post by otep on Apr 14, 2020 18:06:01 GMT
Just thinking about this, for the last 3-4 seasons a hot topic of conversation has been, in comparison to our league peers, the:
a) low wages of our players. b) small squad.
Some have been unrealistic about what Burton Albion Football Club is and have grumbled about both. At times like this, both the aforementioned factors have got to be a blessing. They might turn out to be the difference between just about surviving and going bust.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 19:17:52 GMT
It may very well be in the long term. Finishing this season, depending on what arrangements are made, may be very difficult.
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Post by observer on Apr 15, 2020 12:00:17 GMT
Just thinking about this, for the last 3-4 seasons a hot topic of conversation has been, in comparison to our league peers, the: a) low wages of our players. b) small squad. Some have been unrealistic about what Burton Albion Football Club is and have grumbled about both. At times like this, both the aforementioned factors have got to be a blessing. They might turn out to be the difference between just about surviving and going bust. I did think this myself but someone else pointed out how much we rely on conference and meeting income from the events held at the stadium So yes low costs in comparison to most. We won't miss the match ticket money as much as most but that extra income the stadium generate each week will be a problem I've just read something on the BBC where the Tranmere owner is suggesting the amount of EFL clubs going bust will be in the double figures So it's not just us we have to worry about but it's the club's we compete with etc Not good But then again it's not good full stop right now for everyone Something will emerge. I hope we can have crowds at grounds again in the next 12 months. I wouldn't bank on it though. I feel for Ben - he's been a brilliant and careful owner for the club for so long. But nothing he can do about this situation
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Post by trevor1946 on Apr 15, 2020 13:34:15 GMT
Politics and Religion are topics that can lead to long debates, and views will always end up controversial,a bit like football, In a time where football is suspended a forum will discuss outside issues, and put their points of view if they want to debate the topic. No where on this site has anyone mentioned the N_H_S. When the whole country is 100% behind their dedication and bravery in this pandemic,and to the many people dedicated to keep our country as safe as possible. MANY-Many people have suffered during this crises,and many more will do so, before it ends,bad language and name calling over someones views. does not reflect well. I have read the offending comments,not replying to political comments, getting a paint brush out. believe me many of us know family who take great risks.i did not find these comments disrespectful
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 19, 2020 10:39:19 GMT
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Post by A38 on Apr 19, 2020 15:41:22 GMT
It might really be 70% for him too because he allegedly doesn’t always pay his taxes! 😬
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Post by otep on Apr 21, 2020 17:55:19 GMT
I am in a benevolent mood tonight - which might disappoint.
I am going to try my best to play Devils Advocate with regards players at the highest level taking pay cuts whilst the lowest paid at football clubs are furloughed. I am going to present some arguments (that I don't totally agree with myself) for the purposes of generating debate.
However, first let's air some underlying factors that may be sweeping statements or total myths. I have never known a footballer in my life at any level let alone the top level. The following, which are obviously therefore not my views, may have a bearing on the judgement of top level, high earning footballers.
- For as long as I have been on this planet it has been said that footballers are stupid.
- For the last 20-30 years it has been said that footballers at the top level are greedy.
- For the last 10 years it has been said that footballers at the top level are totally out of touch with reality.
- For as long as I have been on this planet it has been said a footballer has a short career and has to make hay whilst the sun shines.
Roll of drums, it is Devil's Advocate time.
Football fans are very good at spending the money of others. That is a fact.
We all live within our means. We cut our cloth. For those with a mortgage right now, it is linked to what we can afford. A footballer is presumably no different. Their house is obviously going to be a mansion and the size of it will match the size of the mortgage. Maybe a pay cut means trouble with the mortgage. They may have to consider their property empire that they are building for their retirement, the car repayments, the private schooling of their kids and so on and so on.
All footballers are also one bad tackle away from never playing again. That might happen in the first 30 seconds of their first game post Covid-19.
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Post by otep on Apr 21, 2020 18:07:33 GMT
Footnote:
I move away from the forum and the next item I read is 'Spurs duo Aurier and Sissoko apologise after training together and posting photos of it online'. Some might argue that the aforementioned 'stupidity' and 'out of touch' boxes are well and truly ticked there.
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 21, 2020 18:47:32 GMT
"Football fans are very good at spending the money of others. That is a fact"
I read that as clubs not fans, is it?🤔
There's a few thickies out there but I don't think players do so bad after they finish playing. It all depends on what they do with their riches whilst playing and after. Maybe unfair but two extremes ex England players, Gary Lineker and Paul Gascoigne. Whatever you think of either two very different after football lives. Do they deserve their fortunes or what life has dealt them. I don't think many are hard done to.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 23, 2020 7:39:45 GMT
Great post, otep - I love a bit of devil's advocate myself.
One response is about the level / pay packet of the player. If Joe Sbarra has a career-ending injury.....vs......If ANYONE in the Premier League has a career-ending injury....there's a big discrepancy there, which is why (IMO) there are a different set of rules for different levels of player.
As for being stupid...I'm a boring, no-risks-thankyou kind of bloke. While earning let's say £25,000 a week (that's what Richard Keogh was earning before he was sacked) a non-stupid person would put a bit aside each month from their wages (£1.3m) maybe buy a £700,000 house for cash and then blow the rest on having a laugh. To earn more than a million quid a year and have a mortgage is stupid. But, as you say, that is a working class kind of answer.
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Post by observer on Apr 24, 2020 10:24:33 GMT
Re footballers. I've met loads of them Messi, Neymar, Suarez included more than once.
They actually have very simple lives at that level.
Because there is nothing they can actually do that they can spend money on. They are loners as a result. They will barely notice lockdown as a result other than missing football and training.
They buy big secluded houses and have live in chefs, nannies/cleaners etc who make them food. They stay at home most of the time. Play with their kids if they've got them and maybe have friends round or vice versa go to friend's houses (other players).
They can't go out to restaurants or bars or shops etc like you and I without getting mobbed.
Lockdown will barely impact them in that respect.
They don't need to go buy cars or clothes or watches or flights or holidays etc as everything gets done for them or given to them.
They drive in to training in their Ferraris etc in the morning and drive home in the afternoon.
The rest of their lives are organized for them by their club or agent.
Now they don't even need to do the rest of their lives.
Messi is a real loner. Sits on his own when they fly to away games with headphones on (I've been on 4 flights to away games with the Barcelona team). Avoids contact or talking to anyone other than players and coaches. Neymar a bit more personable.
At that level they can't go out of their houses really. They can't even put petrol in their own cars (others do that for them) as they get pestered even at petrol stations for photos and autographs and they don't need the extra stress.
Messi will be gutted right now. Its all about football for him. He's at the end of his career and he will see it ebbing away.
30 per cent of his wages will still be 100k plus a week that he can't spend anyway. Plus his endorsements will be ten times that anyway.
Hopefully he's got all his money and assets invested in safe places. That will be a bigger concern. Not for him as he won't be interested but for the people around him.
On 4 flights with Barcelona to away games and watching them train 4 times and staying in hotels with them I never even got within 10 metres of Messi he's such a loner. Neymar I spoke to 3 times.
The best player they had for having anything to do with "normal" people was Dani Alves when I travelled with them.
And when they arrive at airports hotels there's always hundreds if not thousands outside waiting for them. It was like being with The Beatles I would imagine.
I've met many after their careers ended. At that stage they have a culture shock and most just become normal people and if they haven't had too many divorces at least have a paid for house and a bit behind them.
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Post by observer on Apr 24, 2020 10:29:30 GMT
Great post, otep - I love a bit of devil's advocate myself. One response is about the level / pay packet of the player. If Joe Sbarra has a career-ending injury.....vs......If ANYONE in the Premier League has a career-ending injury....there's a big discrepancy there, which is why (IMO) there are a different set of rules for different levels of player. As for being stupid...I'm a boring, no-risks-thankyou kind of bloke. While earning let's say £25,000 a week (that's what Richard Keogh was earning before he was sacked) a non-stupid person would put a bit aside each month from their wages (£1.3m) maybe buy a £700,000 house for cash and then blow the rest on having a laugh. To earn more than a million quid a year and have a mortgage is stupid. But, as you say, that is a working class kind of answer. If contact sport is allowed in the next few months I assume the players won't be insured for getting corona virus etc as they won't be following social distance rules etc etc. Putting a lot at risk.
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Post by emnez on Apr 24, 2020 11:13:39 GMT
Re footballers. I've met loads of them Messi, Neymar, Suarez included more than once. They actually have very simple lives at that level. Because there is nothing they can actually do that they can spend money on. They are loners as a result. They will barely notice lockdown as a result other than missing football and training. They buy big secluded houses and have live in chefs, nannies/cleaners etc who make them food. They stay at home most of the time. Play with their kids if they've got them and maybe have friends round or vice versa go to friend's houses (other players). They can't go out to restaurants or bars or shops etc like you and I without getting mobbed. Lockdown will barely impact them in that respect. They don't need to go buy cars or clothes or watches or flights or holidays etc as everything gets done for them or given to them. They drive in to training in their Ferraris etc in the morning and drive home in the afternoon. The rest of their lives are organized for them by their club or agent. Now they don't even need to do the rest of their lives. Messi is a real loner. Sits on his own when they fly to away games with headphones on (I've been on 4 flights to away games with the Barcelona team). Avoids contact or talking to anyone other than players and coaches. Neymar a bit more personable. At that level they can't go out of their houses really. They can't even put petrol in their own cars (others do that for them) as they get pestered even at petrol stations for photos and autographs and they don't need the extra stress. Messi will be gutted right now. Its all about football for him. He's at the end of his career and he will see it ebbing away. 30 per cent of his wages will still be 100k plus a week that he can't spend anyway. Plus his endorsements will be ten times that anyway. Hopefully he's got all his money and assets invested in safe places. That will be a bigger concern. Not for him as he won't be interested but for the people around him. On 4 flights with Barcelona to away games and watching them train 4 times and staying in hotels with them I never even got within 10 metres of Messi he's such a loner. Neymar I spoke to 3 times. The best player they had for having anything to do with "normal" people was Dani Alves when I travelled with them. And when they arrive at airports hotels there's always hundreds if not thousands outside waiting for them. It was like being with The Beatles I would imagine. I've met many after their careers ended. At that stage they have a culture shock and most just become normal people and if they haven't had too many divorces at least have a paid for house and a bit behind them. The petrol bit i can relate to because i let the the Mrs put that in.The rest seems a very lonely life and they are welcome to it. Like my old grandad used to say money aint everything son.
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 24, 2020 12:44:56 GMT
Re footballers. I've met loads of them Messi, Neymar, Suarez included more than once. They actually have very simple lives at that level. Because there is nothing they can actually do that they can spend money on. They are loners as a result. They will barely notice lockdown as a result other than missing football and training. They buy big secluded houses and have live in chefs, nannies/cleaners etc who make them food. They stay at home most of the time. Play with their kids if they've got them and maybe have friends round or vice versa go to friend's houses (other players). They can't go out to restaurants or bars or shops etc like you and I without getting mobbed. Lockdown will barely impact them in that respect. They don't need to go buy cars or clothes or watches or flights or holidays etc as everything gets done for them or given to them. They drive in to training in their Ferraris etc in the morning and drive home in the afternoon. The rest of their lives are organized for them by their club or agent. Now they don't even need to do the rest of their lives. Messi is a real loner. Sits on his own when they fly to away games with headphones on (I've been on 4 flights to away games with the Barcelona team). Avoids contact or talking to anyone other than players and coaches. Neymar a bit more personable. At that level they can't go out of their houses really. They can't even put petrol in their own cars (others do that for them) as they get pestered even at petrol stations for photos and autographs and they don't need the extra stress. Messi will be gutted right now. Its all about football for him. He's at the end of his career and he will see it ebbing away. 30 per cent of his wages will still be 100k plus a week that he can't spend anyway. Plus his endorsements will be ten times that anyway. Hopefully he's got all his money and assets invested in safe places. That will be a bigger concern. Not for him as he won't be interested but for the people around him. On 4 flights with Barcelona to away games and watching them train 4 times and staying in hotels with them I never even got within 10 metres of Messi he's such a loner. Neymar I spoke to 3 times. The best player they had for having anything to do with "normal" people was Dani Alves when I travelled with them. And when they arrive at airports hotels there's always hundreds if not thousands outside waiting for them. It was like being with The Beatles I would imagine. I've met many after their careers ended. At that stage they have a culture shock and most just become normal people and if they haven't had too many divorces at least have a paid for house and a bit behind them. I always remember bumping into David Holmes in Tesco's Mickleover, it was like a big catch up telling us how he's doing, family and all that. Me and the missus had only spoken to him briefly maybe a couple of times after a match at Eton park with the other crowd we hung about with. It was maybe 4-5 years later, and he did genuinely remember us, great lad.
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Post by A38 on Apr 24, 2020 20:36:23 GMT
Re footballers. I've met loads of them Messi, Neymar, Suarez included more than once. They actually have very simple lives at that level. Because there is nothing they can actually do that they can spend money on. They are loners as a result. They will barely notice lockdown as a result other than missing football and training. They buy big secluded houses and have live in chefs, nannies/cleaners etc who make them food. They stay at home most of the time. Play with their kids if they've got them and maybe have friends round or vice versa go to friend's houses (other players). They can't go out to restaurants or bars or shops etc like you and I without getting mobbed. Lockdown will barely impact them in that respect. They don't need to go buy cars or clothes or watches or flights or holidays etc as everything gets done for them or given to them. They drive in to training in their Ferraris etc in the morning and drive home in the afternoon. The rest of their lives are organized for them by their club or agent. Now they don't even need to do the rest of their lives. Messi is a real loner. Sits on his own when they fly to away games with headphones on (I've been on 4 flights to away games with the Barcelona team). Avoids contact or talking to anyone other than players and coaches. Neymar a bit more personable. At that level they can't go out of their houses really. They can't even put petrol in their own cars (others do that for them) as they get pestered even at petrol stations for photos and autographs and they don't need the extra stress. Messi will be gutted right now. Its all about football for him. He's at the end of his career and he will see it ebbing away. 30 per cent of his wages will still be 100k plus a week that he can't spend anyway. Plus his endorsements will be ten times that anyway. Hopefully he's got all his money and assets invested in safe places. That will be a bigger concern. Not for him as he won't be interested but for the people around him. On 4 flights with Barcelona to away games and watching them train 4 times and staying in hotels with them I never even got within 10 metres of Messi he's such a loner. Neymar I spoke to 3 times. The best player they had for having anything to do with "normal" people was Dani Alves when I travelled with them. And when they arrive at airports hotels there's always hundreds if not thousands outside waiting for them. It was like being with The Beatles I would imagine. I've met many after their careers ended. At that stage they have a culture shock and most just become normal people and if they haven't had too many divorces at least have a paid for house and a bit behind them. Nice post observer, cheers. I’ve got to tell you the first thing that went through my mind when I read it though... it’s probably an insight into my sick mind so apologies but here goes: Neymar meeting #1observer: “We’ve got this player, Marcus Harness, I reckon he could go for a million quid in time. Pace is worth £££s.” Neymar Jr: “F**k off mate it’s Marcus f**king Harness!” Neymar meeting #3observer: “We did it you know, we got nearly a million quid from Portsmouth for Marcus Harness!” Neymar Jr: “F**k me, one random hat trick after years of doing absolutely nothing and he goes for a mill — the world’s gone mad you know observer old boy... here, that Messi’s a miserable **** over there in the corner isn’t he!”
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 24, 2020 21:21:51 GMT
Great post, otep - I love a bit of devil's advocate myself. One response is about the level / pay packet of the player. If Joe Sbarra has a career-ending injury.....vs......If ANYONE in the Premier League has a career-ending injury....there's a big discrepancy there, which is why (IMO) there are a different set of rules for different levels of player. As for being stupid...I'm a boring, no-risks-thankyou kind of bloke. While earning let's say £25,000 a week (that's what Richard Keogh was earning before he was sacked) a non-stupid person would put a bit aside each month from their wages (£1.3m) maybe buy a £700,000 house for cash and then blow the rest on having a laugh. To earn more than a million quid a year and have a mortgage is stupid. But, as you say, that is a working class kind of answer. If contact sport is allowed in the next few months I assume the players won't be insured for getting corona virus etc as they won't be following social distance rules etc etc. Putting a lot at risk. Now we've all got used to the virus (!?) the idea of 22 players plus officials, subs & managers on the same football pitch......it's ludicrous. In hindsight (a wonderful thing) the idea of playing behind closed doors sounds a bit "let's keep the public safe but sod the players."
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Post by broomo on Apr 24, 2020 23:57:21 GMT
Re footballers. I've met loads of them Messi, Neymar, Suarez included more than once. They actually have very simple lives at that level. Because there is nothing they can actually do that they can spend money on. They are loners as a result. They will barely notice lockdown as a result other than missing football and training. They buy big secluded houses and have live in chefs, nannies/cleaners etc who make them food. They stay at home most of the time. Play with their kids if they've got them and maybe have friends round or vice versa go to friend's houses (other players). They can't go out to restaurants or bars or shops etc like you and I without getting mobbed. Lockdown will barely impact them in that respect. They don't need to go buy cars or clothes or watches or flights or holidays etc as everything gets done for them or given to them. They drive in to training in their Ferraris etc in the morning and drive home in the afternoon. The rest of their lives are organized for them by their club or agent. Now they don't even need to do the rest of their lives. Messi is a real loner. Sits on his own when they fly to away games with headphones on (I've been on 4 flights to away games with the Barcelona team). Avoids contact or talking to anyone other than players and coaches. Neymar a bit more personable. At that level they can't go out of their houses really. They can't even put petrol in their own cars (others do that for them) as they get pestered even at petrol stations for photos and autographs and they don't need the extra stress. Messi will be gutted right now. Its all about football for him. He's at the end of his career and he will see it ebbing away. 30 per cent of his wages will still be 100k plus a week that he can't spend anyway. Plus his endorsements will be ten times that anyway. Hopefully he's got all his money and assets invested in safe places. That will be a bigger concern. Not for him as he won't be interested but for the people around him. On 4 flights with Barcelona to away games and watching them train 4 times and staying in hotels with them I never even got within 10 metres of Messi he's such a loner. Neymar I spoke to 3 times. The best player they had for having anything to do with "normal" people was Dani Alves when I travelled with them. And when they arrive at airports hotels there's always hundreds if not thousands outside waiting for them. It was like being with The Beatles I would imagine. I've met many after their careers ended. At that stage they have a culture shock and most just become normal people and if they haven't had too many divorces at least have a paid for house and a bit behind them. Nice post observer, cheers. I’ve got to tell you the first thing that went through my mind when I read it though... it’s probably an insight into my sick mind so apologies but here goes: Neymar meeting #1observer: “We’ve got this player, Marcus Harness, I reckon he could go for a million quid in time. Pace is worth £££s.” Neymar Jr: “F**k off mate it’s Marcus f**king Harness!” Neymar meeting #3observer: “We did it you know, we got nearly a million quid from Portsmouth for Marcus Harness!” Neymar Jr: “F**k me, one random hat trick after years of doing absolutely nothing and he goes for a mill — the world’s gone mad you know observer old boy... here, that Messi’s a miserable **** over there in the corner isn’t he!” I've watched with interest a lot of Portsmouth's games this season. Marcus has had a very good first season, contributed a lot and is generally very popular with fans. I think he'll continue to progress. His form even for us was much better than a random hat trick.
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Post by observer on Apr 25, 2020 8:41:08 GMT
If contact sport is allowed in the next few months I assume the players won't be insured for getting corona virus etc as they won't be following social distance rules etc etc. Putting a lot at risk. Now we've all got used to the virus (!?) the idea of 22 players plus officials, subs & managers on the same football pitch......it's ludicrous. In hindsight (a wonderful thing) the idea of playing behind closed doors sounds a bit "let's keep the public safe but sod the players." Just read that Bundesliga is planning on players having to wear masks during the behind closed doors games.
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