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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 6:51:09 GMT
If Bill had been in charge of the country over the last 10 years, we would have been better prepared.[/quote] How would we have been better prepared? Tens/Hundreds/Thousands of empty beds just in case? Empty hospitals Just in case? Nurses,doctors, admin staff standing idle just in case? Tons and tons of PPE kit stockpiled Just in case? or perhaps warehouses stockpiled with bog roll just in case? Now is not the time to be political pointscoring.
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Post by emnez on Apr 10, 2020 8:21:12 GMT
For many, many years I have mourned the loss of the game being played on the pitch that I grew up with. I emphasise 'the game being played on the pitch' because off the pitch there were some horrific moments. Bradford, Heysel, Hillsborough, overt racism and horrific violence to name but a few. In football the gulf between the haves and the have nots continues to grow every year. It makes a mockery of the top 2 leagues in the pyramid. Leagues 1 and 2 are still on quite a level playing field in my opinion. I thought that the only way that things might change in the future is if the TV companies pulled out. I was wrong. The unforeseeable has happened (though TV money is obviously part of the equation here). Maybe the game will be better after this. A rip it all up and start again approach foist upon it. Let's be honest, the game was / is in a dreadful state really. Most clubs living way beyond their means, some obscenely wealthy clubs, many lower league clubs living on the brink of liquidation, many ridiculously overpaid players, mercenaries, agents, young talent being stifled, expensive ticket prices and so on. My deepest sympathies are with those who have lost loved ones and those battling for their lives right now. I think of all the Key Workers still out there working each and every day and selflessly taking risks with their own lives for the benefit of others. Football clubs and football players don't register at all on my sympathy or thoughts radar. Congratulations my good friend. A stunning post from you and lets hope football is better when all this is over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 8:27:07 GMT
If Bill had been in charge of the country over the last 10 years, we would have been better prepared. How would we have been better prepared? Tens/Hundreds/Thousands of empty beds just in case? Empty hospitals Just in case? Nurses,doctors, admin staff standing idle just in case? Tons and tons of PPE kit stockpiled Just in case? or perhaps warehouses stockpiled with bog roll just in case? Now is not the time to be political pointscoring.[/quote] Shortage of nurses, shortage of doctors in hospitals, shortage of GPs. Public Health services virtually extinct. No ability to do mass contact tracing. Ignoring pandemic stress test that showed we were woefuy unprepared. Politics is everything. See last week or so where politicians have expertly deflected scrutiny on their decision making onto decisions made by rich footballers, their clubs and their union.
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Post by broomo on Apr 10, 2020 15:02:29 GMT
I dislike the "now isn't the time for political point scoring" comments.
Now is exactly the time for questioning the governments actions both just before the crisis and for the previous ten years where they lied and told us austerity was absolutely unavoidable.
Question, question, question.
Their reaction once things got out of hand has been ok.
Their lack of action prior to it has killed thousands.
Shankly and other socialists wouldn't have let things spiral so badly.
Before anyone gives me stick, socialism is much different to communism or Marxism or any other cheap tag that gets used for political point scoring.
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Post by mick on Apr 10, 2020 17:31:10 GMT
“Lack of action that has killed thousands” is a bit strong? Will also take some convincing that “socialism” would have made us better prepared. I have no doubt that genuine socialism is different from communism / Marxism but those labels have been easy to band about given some policies proposed. There will no doubt be an enquiry when the dust settles and mistakes made will be highlighted. These are unprecedented times and I think they are doing what they can albeit playing catch up.
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Post by emnez on Apr 10, 2020 17:47:00 GMT
“Lack of action that has killed thousands” is a bit strong? Will also take some convincing that “socialism” would have made us better prepared. I have no doubt that genuine socialism is different from communism / Marxism but those labels have been easy to band about given some policies proposed. There will no doubt be an enquiry when the dust settles and mistakes made will be highlighted. These are unprecedented times and I think they are doing what they can albeit playing catch up. I don't think it matters who is in power there will always be snipers picking fault Mick. Politics will take off when we are over the worst of this virus and i will sit back and turn the telly off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 17:53:08 GMT
As I said, Political pointscoring has no place at this moment in time. This forums not for me anymore. Goodbye.
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Post by anthony41 on Apr 10, 2020 17:56:37 GMT
“Lack of action that has killed thousands” is a bit strong? Will also take some convincing that “socialism” would have made us better prepared. I have no doubt that genuine socialism is different from communism / Marxism but those labels have been easy to band about given some policies proposed. There will no doubt be an enquiry when the dust settles and mistakes made will be highlighted. These are unprecedented times and I think they are doing what they can albeit playing catch up. “We’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it.” - Boris Johnson on live national tv on March 5th. The number of NHS front line workers dead from this virus because of lack of PPE is so high they won’t release the figures. Also on March 19th, the day 100,000 people were at the final day of the Cheltenham festival there had already been 4000 deaths from the virus in Italy alone. The UK today recorded a higher number of deaths in 24hr hours than Italy and Spain ever have. Lack of action has killed thousands and will kill more.
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Post by broomo on Apr 10, 2020 17:57:36 GMT
“Lack of action that has killed thousands” is a bit strong? Will also take some convincing that “socialism” would have made us better prepared. I have no doubt that genuine socialism is different from communism / Marxism but those labels have been easy to band about given some policies proposed. There will no doubt be an enquiry when the dust settles and mistakes made will be highlighted. These are unprecedented times and I think they are doing what they can albeit playing catch up. I don't think it matters who is in power there will always be snipers picking fault Mick. Politics will take off when we are over the worst of this virus and i will sit back and turn the telly off. Are you both saying we were properly prepared and took all steps possible to negate this? Criticism (sniping??) Is fine when it's justified. I see danger in those who can't bring themselves to admit we got it wrong just as i see danger in those who's views are so entrenched they'd argue black was white rather than criticise OR praise depending on who makes the point. We're going to have the highest death rate in Europe and certainly the highest per capita. How is that justifiable?
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Post by broomo on Apr 10, 2020 18:00:48 GMT
As I said, Political pointscoring has no place at this moment in time. This forums not for me anymore. Goodbye. If that's your reaction to two posts, neither of which contained any insults at all, then good riddance. It's important we are able to discuss things without someone immediately playing the "political point scoring" card. Goodbye.
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Post by otep on Apr 10, 2020 18:13:51 GMT
Thank you Broomo and Mr Emnez for your kind words (about a post on a prior page and pre-politics discussion).
I wonder if there might be a total rethink of the pyramid when this is all over and we know who has survived and who hasn't. Perhaps regional leagues to stop costly Carlisle v Plymouth type fixtures. Or Conference clubs making up the numbers for those who have fallen.
Maybe players at some clubs might be part time in leagues 1 and 2. Or clubs playing games with totally or mostly youth players for a while.
I imagine that a few clubs in the Premiership and many in the Championship might be in a spot of bother too.
What about the wealthy owners of some big clubs too? Some might have had their business and / or their wealth ripped to shreds. Some might also not want to stick around anyway having taken an enormous financial hit with their 'play thing' now seeming less enjoyable.
I think that there will be quite a few seismic announcements by some very big clubs before too long that will absolutely stun the football world.
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Post by colstoncrawford on Apr 10, 2020 18:28:05 GMT
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Post by mick on Apr 11, 2020 9:51:40 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email.
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Post by emnez on Apr 11, 2020 10:01:34 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email. Yes i thought this was a football forum mick but there are always folk who try and spoil it. With no football perhaps folk should just get the paint brush out.
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Post by annable on Apr 11, 2020 10:52:01 GMT
The club statement does worry me a bit to be honest and I wonder what sort of team we will have when everything gets going again. Sounds like cash is getting tight and we have lost some real money spinning games towards the end of the season. I guess the one positive is that if we are struggling then some others are really likely to be in trouble. I read the other day that Bristol Rovers lost something like £3m-£4m last year and they are still below us in the league!
Sounds like the players are taking advice from the PFA before agreeing to Furlough scheme which is fair enough. I think our highest paid player was Boyce on £3k per week and with furlough being maximum of £2.5k per month that's about £600 per week which for most of ours means a pay cut. Still, everybody in the same boat and let's hope we can come out better than most.
I know there are more important things going on at the moment but when BAFC is a big part of your life it doesn't stop you worrying what the future holds for the club.
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Post by anthony41 on Apr 11, 2020 11:08:50 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email. Yes i thought this was a football forum mick but there are always folk who try and spoil it. With no football perhaps folk should just get the paint brush out. Someone close to me is a key worker on the front line. She's seen things these past 2 weeks that will haunt her for the rest of her life and she'll likely need counselling when this is all over. How f*cking DARE you be so glib about it. C*nt.
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Post by anthony41 on Apr 11, 2020 11:10:25 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email. Yes i thought this was a football forum mick but there are always folk who try and spoil it. With no football perhaps folk should just get the paint brush out. Would you like me to forward some of the messages I've recevied detailing whats happening in hospitals? Would that fuckign spoil it for you even more?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 11:10:56 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email. Yes i thought this was a football forum mick but there are always folk who try and spoil it. With no football perhaps folk should just get the paint brush out. Guilty as charged, but if politics is involved in football, see government suggesting that Premier League players should take a pay cut. Scroll on is a great option. I tend to scroll past that pillock McGibbon's posts...
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Post by broomo on Apr 11, 2020 19:06:42 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email. Yes i thought this was a football forum mick but there are always folk who try and spoil it. With no football perhaps folk should just get the paint brush out. Come on mate, up until the last couple of posts there was absolutely nothing worth getting knickers in a twist over. As someone who often gets accused of "policing" the forum and not letting others have freedom of speech, I find Brixham Brewers reaction staggering. It's an emotional time for many, as long as emotions are kept in check a bit of politics is surely ok? Accusing others of either sniping, point scoring or spoiling is only going to provoke the kind of response none of us want to see. Keep safe everyone.
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Post by broomo on Apr 11, 2020 19:13:22 GMT
I knew I should not have chipped in! The point I was trying to make, poorly as it turned out, was that I don’t think it would have made any difference whoever was in charge and the reality is we will never know. I agree with a previous poster and will no longer respond to political comments keeping to football only (not that I know a great deal about that). If anyone wishes to come back please use my personal email. I can't speak for anyone else but I didn't see anything wrong with your first comment mick, there was literally no need for BB to have deleted his account, it was just petty. I enjoy reading your views on any topic. You're someone I'm glad joined this place. It is ok to disagree politically and still like a person. The thread has suddenly got a bit heated and I'm not sure it needed to go in that direction at all. Hopefully we'll soon have some football to chat about, until then keep well.
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