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Jan 13, 2016 22:49:15 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 13, 2016 22:49:15 GMT
Your posts !!! Unbelievable I've backed my posts up with reasoning Feel free to disagree But please share your opinion and reasons for being so worried I won't despair of what you say if I disagree
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Bywater
Jan 13, 2016 22:56:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 22:56:59 GMT
Totally disagree 24 year old journeyman, are you serious ? Replace him with a 35 year old who's last employment was keeping goal in India !
True, we're all entitled to our opinions but if Martin Taylor our goalkeeping coach feels happier coaching a 35 year old keeper who's not played in the football league opposed to a keeper who's been playing to in league 1 for the last 2 months then I do truly despair !
Also I have stated previously that I truly hope that Nigel is successful upon his return and that I would not and will not come back on this forum and I say I told you so.
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 13, 2016 23:02:15 GMT
I have no idea who this guy is (to be brutally honest...), but I do note that he played for Derby in their promotion game,
Do you think he could be one to help in the dressing room maybe?
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Bywater
Jan 13, 2016 23:19:04 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 13, 2016 23:19:04 GMT
Totally disagree 24 year old journeyman, are you serious ? Replace him with a 35 year old who's last employment was keeping goal in India ! True, we're all entitled to our opinions but if Martin Taylor our goalkeeping coach feels happier coaching a 35 year old keeper who's not played in the football league opposed to a keeper who's been playing to in league 1 for the last 2 months then I do truly despair ! Ok so that's good debate. Normally if you are looking long term you might want to develop a 24 year old player But to do that the player has to want to stay with you to develop. But this 24 year old wants to go and play first team for Blackpool Understandable - he prefers that than being a back up keeper You want to tell a 24 year old keeper who wants to sign for Blackpool and be a first team keeper there that we won't let him and instead he has to stay with us in case Mclaughlin gets injured or sent off in a match? Unhappy player that we don't need in the squad Much prefer someone who wants to be with us myself Re the age If we were talking outfield positions then 35 is too old. If we were talking an age to sign a keeper to develop than 35 is too old. But we are talking about a keeper we have signed as back up to a perfectly good keeper that hopefully won't need the backup in the first place And we are talking about a keeper we have signed as backup for 4 months til end of season 35 years old - perfect age for a backup short term keeper IMO Disagree with me all you like but seriously there is no need to despair about football opinion It's not upto us what happens we just comment on it I personally believe the right decisions have been made based on my football experience If Lyness had wanted to come back and fight for a place with Mclaughlin from the bench then I would have been happy with that as well and we wouldn't have needed to consider other options But he wanted out so we've let him go - I would never keep a player who wants to leave against his wishes. No matter how good that player is. Lyness I just think is average so certainly not someone to keep when they want to go.
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Bywater
Jan 13, 2016 23:34:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 23:34:26 GMT
Debate is what forums should be about You think McLaughlin has done settled in well Well I think and know he's the best keeper in league one. I know that Craig Bywater is not as a good a back up keeper as Dean Lyness Did Dean Lyness want to move on? I don't know that,but if he's been offered first team opportunities at fellow league 1 club I can't blame him.
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Bywater
Jan 13, 2016 23:46:59 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 13, 2016 23:46:59 GMT
Debate is what forums should be about You think McLaughlin has done settled in well Well I think and know he's the best keeper in league one. I know that Craig Bywater is not as a good a back up keeper as Dean Lyness Did Dean Lyness want to move on? I don't know that,but if he's been offered first team opportunities at fellow league 1 club I can't blame him. I'm happy to agree with you that Mclaughlin in current form is at least as good as any keeper in this League if not the best I also remember defending him a bit when he started with us for some time as others on here weren't even convinced he was better than what we already had hence my comment of how he has settled in well. I also agree you can't blame Lyness for wanting to play first team for Blackpool rather than backup for us In fact if he preferred to play backup for us I would question him a bit as a pro tbh So I think him going there is best decision for him. Same as you it appears. So my hypothetical question is if we can assume for now he does want to play first team for them as (he wouldn't go otherwise) rather than backup for us and you agree it's the right decision for him to make then why are you complaining we have let him go? We actually agree on most of this? And whatever you think of Bywater good or bad - likelihood is he won't play much if at all between now and end of season and in the event Mclaughlin gets a bad injury the good news is you can emergency loan a keeper at any stage within 24 hours and there are plenty of them knocking about available for short term loans Some even better than Mclaughlin from EPL and Championship clubs who need short term match practise etc So even if Mclaughlin gets injured if Bywater isn't in good form he could remain backup for whoever we bring in on emergency loan There are teams in Championship who have teenagers on the bench as backup who they would never want to use as first team keeper Let alone League One We aren't a big enough club yet to have perfect keeper to step in just waiting on the bench But im happy myself with the one we have signed. He will be better than many backup keepers in Championship let alone in League 1. And a decent keeper can be a good backup all the way to the age of 40 35 is nothing at all to worry about for a keeper IMO
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Bywater
Jan 13, 2016 23:57:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 23:57:36 GMT
Not sure where we're going with this. You have your opinion and I have mine, which is fine
McLaughlin is the best goalkeeper in league 1. Did Lyness want to go or was he moved out , I don't know
Bywater was drummed out of Derby a few years ago by a certain Nigel Clough and with good reason!
Why would he entrust him now should things go belly up ?
Which they won't I hasten to add !!
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:00:18 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 14, 2016 0:00:18 GMT
I know that Craig Bywater is not as a good a back up keeper as Dean Lyness[br. You don't know that It's your opinion Have you seen him play? What are his weaknesses? You don't play Premier League and England Under 21s and have a career as long as he has without being a quality keeper His name is Stephen by the way
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:03:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 0:03:07 GMT
I bow to your superior knowledge regarding his name Observer.
Football is all about opinions, that's what makes the game interesting
Nigel drummed Stephen Bywater out of Derby,but seems to think he will fit in well with us.
Strange decision for me, maybe you think differently?
I'm sure you will
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 0:07:58 GMT
I'm a bit bored now.
Sound decision to replace Lyness with an experienced sub keeper. Let's see where we are next season.
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:10:13 GMT
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Post by brewer1874 on Jan 14, 2016 0:10:13 GMT
Earwig is having a bit of a mare here. Not only doesn't he know the boy's name but he thinks Dean is the better keeper ?
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:10:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 0:10:43 GMT
Sorry your bored Rayvon, it is a forum you know
As I've said before
Some people have something to say, some people have to say something
Cheers
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:10:55 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 14, 2016 0:10:55 GMT
Well I've taken a look and in latest report Clough says "we are hoping the transfer goes through for Dean's sake" which does suggest he wants the move
It also says we have agreed a fee and tbh if we can get a fee for a keeper who we both think is unlikely to play for us then that's good. I had assumed he would be going on a free before I read that.
I predict that if he goes there will be an interview from him that says he left for first team football that he knew was unlikely here
I think we just had decent debate myself
And we actually agreed on more than you realised
You are the one who tried to ridicule my opinion. I've got no problem with yours.
But I do ask again what has Nigel done to upset you?
You certainly give the impression you are looking for problems with his decision making?
Am I wrong?
To quote your own words - you seem to have to "always say something" negative about Nigels decision making?
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:14:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 0:14:13 GMT
Yes, you are I'm not ridiculing anyone and never have done It's a forum for debate, something that doesn't happen on here often enough
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:16:13 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 14, 2016 0:16:13 GMT
Yes, you are It's a forum for debate, something that doesn't happen on here often enough Ok well next time you don't agree with me just debate rather than despair I had to drag the debate out of you IMO The law of averages says the next decision Clough takes you will applaud if you don't have it in for him as I've only seen criticism so far
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:18:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 0:18:26 GMT
Agreed, your opinion :-)
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:20:05 GMT
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 14, 2016 0:20:05 GMT
Good debate. Points well made by Observer. I like seeing the forum active. Even if it is just posting Jibber jabber ^ such as this. I would like to see 2 players come in who could improve our first team. But I'm not sure where we need to improve, or who we'd buy, which is an issue!
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:20:44 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 14, 2016 0:20:44 GMT
Anyway let's hope he isn't needed to play and if he is he surprises you how good he is
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:23:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 0:23:13 GMT
Haha, we agree at last !! Even if some find debate boring :-)
By the way what's jibber jabber ?
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Bywater
Jan 14, 2016 0:27:13 GMT
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Post by observer on Jan 14, 2016 0:27:13 GMT
Good debate. Points well made by Observer. I like seeing the forum active. Even if it is just posting Jibber jabber ^ such as this. I would like to see 2 players come in who could improve our first team. But I'm not sure where we need to improve, or who we'd buy, which is an issue! If we are getting a fee for Lyness perhaps that will help fund players in
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