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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 21:44:01 GMT
They still have to pay the bills and feed their families, that will be their priority and you can't knock them for that. Absolutely not and I haven't suggested that they should be treated badly. But with a week left in the window I think it is a bit disrespectful towards BAFC and the manager to keep hanging on hoping something big is going to happen. If it hasn't happened by now the chances are slim. I feel safe in saying that some team has approached them with an offer by now. You assume but actually know nothing about the situation! I very much doubt if you have any knowledge of living in the real world(earning a wage,paying bills,and looking after your family etc) Cut the cord what's all that about?
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Post by uttoxbrewer on Jan 26, 2015 21:58:15 GMT
Well, Jimmy told them over a month ago and the window has been open for nearly a month. At 34 and 32 there will be few offers coming if they haven't had an acceptable one by now. There is a week left in the window and I think Jimmy needs those wages to bring someone in. If they just hang around drawing a paycheque for the rest of season or force a buyout, thus hindering our promotion chances, it would be a sad way to end their careers. Theoretically speaking of course. I think it's time to cut the cord. When those two players signed a contract which lasts until the end of this season, they weren't to know there would be a change of manager and they would find themselves out of favour. I don't know whether they'll still be here this time next week, if they do, they'll be leaving with my and a lot of other fans best wishes. If they are still here, maybe those players will be needed to help with the Brewers promotion push,if we get any injuries or suspensions. They're both good, honest pros and can be relied on to do a job if required. And both deserve better than "having the cord cut" if no other club comes in for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 22:05:40 GMT
I don't think I am assuming anything, just expressing as I said 'theoretical' opinion. I am not disrespecting anyone, although some of you are. If you know something cp let us in on it. Funky, they were fans players of the season not the players players of the season which actually means something. They were both captains, if in your job you were a manager and the boss said you are no longer required would you be happy 'playing for the reserves', I don't think so.
And to assume that you know my past work history is adolescent. I once refused a better job with a different company with more money because they wanted me to leave my current employer next week and I said I needed a month to tie up the loose ends. The last job I had before retiring I gave my employer 4 months notice so that they could get their loose ends in order. When I ran the 2011 Census here in Burton ONS wanted to let the some of the 16 collectors working for me go (fire them ) early because we were ahead of schedule and I protested vehemently right to the top because some of these people working for me had been taken off job seekers allowance for the full term of the census contract, and I convinced them they shouldn't do that. So, yes I do know a little about respect and how to treat employees and employers.
So, please calm down and have a little respect!
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Post by observer on Jan 26, 2015 22:16:38 GMT
If we want them to move then we could loan them out and offer to pay half their wages etc and at least free up half their wages for a new player
If we don't want to honour their contracts then the onus is on us (the club) to make a deal happen that works for all concerned rather than expect the players to make it happen
How we deal with situations like this will become common knowledge amongst our own players and players at other clubs
I have no doubt we will deal with it well
We can't force another team to take any of our players nor can the two players create interest if it's not there
If they don't go out then I'm sure they will knuckle down and be available if needed as they are good pros and helped the club when the manager left
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 26, 2015 22:49:27 GMT
I am not disrespecting anyone, although some of you are. ................. Funky, they were fans players of the season not the players players of the season which actually means something. So, please calm down and have a little respect! Really? So earlier you said these two players should spare themselves further embarrassment........which implies they have already embarrassed themselves to a certain extent. Utter nonsense......these two are two of the most professional players who continue to train hard and who have not embarrassed themselves in the slightest. Whatever offers they have had to move on needs to be right for them both in terms of finance and geography. I don't know what, if any, offers are on the table to either of them at the moment or the details of any others they have had this month but I trust the club to handle this the right way. As for you disrespecting the fans player of the season awards then I think you will find that the Supporters awards are the ones that the players really appreciate. The fact that the people that pay good money and travel all over the country to watch them and then vote for them as their player of the season means a hell of a lot. Having interviewed them in previous seasons after winning their awards I can say with confidence that the fans POTY awards mean something. Any award, whether voted for by their peers or the people that pay their wages means something. And as for you asking for respect.................come back to us when you can actually respect the fact that people have differing opinions to your own and may actually be right when you are wrong. A little bit of humility goes a long way I find.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:16:33 GMT
I am not disrespecting anyone, although some of you are. ................. Funky, they were fans players of the season not the players players of the season which actually means something. So, please calm down and have a little respect! Really? So earlier you said these two players should spare themselves further embarrassment........which implies they have already embarrassed themselves to a certain extent. Utter nonsense......these two are two of the most professional players who continue to train hard and who have not embarrassed themselves in the slightest. Whatever offers they have had to move on needs to be right for them both in terms of finance and geography. I don't know what, if any, offers are on the table to either of them at the moment or the details of any others they have had this month but I trust the club to handle this the right way. As for you disrespecting the fans player of the season awards then I think you will find that the Supporters awards are the ones that the players really appreciate. The fact that the people that pay good money and travel all over the country to watch them and then vote for them as their player of the season means a hell of a lot. Having interviewed them in previous seasons after winning their awards I can say with confidence that the fans POTY awards mean something. Any award, whether voted for by their peers or the people that pay their wages means something. And as for you asking for respect.................come back to us when you can actually respect the fact that people have differing opinions to your own and may actually be right when you are wrong. A little bit of humility goes a long way I find. Thank you, saved me quite a bit of typing.
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Post by kendo on Jan 27, 2015 0:34:13 GMT
Absolutely not and I haven't suggested that they should be treated badly. But with a week left in the window I think it is a bit disrespectful towards BAFC and the manager to keep hanging on hoping something big is going to happen. If it hasn't happened by now the chances are slim. I feel safe in saying that some team has approached them with an offer by now. From what you are implying then you yourself would take a wage cut or even no wages at all to help your employer out ? Get real man and stop posting such crap I get sick of reading it. And I thought it was just me porky
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Post by E7#9 on Jan 27, 2015 0:59:36 GMT
Ooo errr! I'll say one thing for Captain Peacock, he knows how to rattle cages.
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Post by observer on Jan 27, 2015 8:57:38 GMT
Your shock that the players haven't gone yet Peacock suggests to me that Burton don't announce they are looking to release players very often.
Forest announced 6 players back in pre season they wanted to release. Half are still there now - one of them Abdoun earning more in a week (30k) than some of Burton's first team squad will earn in a year.
Saying you want to let a player go who is under contract and it actually happening are two different things.
Don't think Abdoun is in the least bit embarrassed tbh.
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Post by claymillman on Jan 27, 2015 9:52:00 GMT
Peacock have you considered for one minute that what might be preventing moves for our 2 very good players might be the budget restrictions on a club who might like to sign either player, but also needs to offload someone first. Your unhelpful assumptions implied that you were pretty certain they had received offers, but were waiting for the "big" offer. This is your imagination running wild, and is definitely disrespectful. I suggest you switch topics. You are digging yourself into a deeper hole every time you comment.
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Post by observer on Jan 27, 2015 10:11:18 GMT
Also they may have young kids - I don't know
Remember Rowett saying he wasn't prepared to uproot his family to Blackpool
The main thing is the onus is on us the club to make a deal work for all concerned and not on the players
They have to look after themselves. It's a short career and you have to make the right moves at the right time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 10:30:05 GMT
just in terms of the available budget, I would also suggest that getting dumped out of the FA Cup at the first hurdle would have more impact on the funds to go again in January than the existing contracts of players we were expecting to pay until the end of the season anyway. That defeat at Barnsley was one of the worst as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 10:42:47 GMT
I stand by my opinions. However, some on here are picking out words and translating them to meet their own arguments. I never said anything about them being put in a position so as not to be able to pay bills, feed their kids.. My true thoughts on them leaving (them cutting the cord, not the club) is to wind down their careers in a positive way, helping another team (which I previously wrote). With Jimmy signing centre backs and midfielders it doesn't look like they will be doing that here, and as he said he needs to trim the squad numbers and they are not in his plans. Maybe it will all happen on Feb.3rd? And if we have signed this new guy El Khayati it appears that Ben has opened the purse before transferring anyone.
Of course any player would appreciate an award and being interviewed they would express that whole-heatedly. My thoughts on who was the POTY are my opinions, same as anyone else's. If Someone though Mags was POTY does that mean they are disrespecting the fans? Not in my book. I happen to think that POTY 2 years ago was Mags, and that last years was Damo, and the players agreed both years so that's good enough for me. I will suggest now in jest, that if as someone who voted for Bell and Sharps that you disagee with the players selections and that you are disrespecting them (like Mr. Hawkins so elegantly accused me of in reverse).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 12:01:57 GMT
I stand by my opinions. However, some on here are picking out words and translating them to meet their own arguments. I never said anything about them being put in a position so as not to be able to pay bills, feed their kids.. My true thoughts on them leaving (them cutting the cord, not the club) is to wind down their careers in a positive way, helping another team (which I previously wrote). With Jimmy signing centre backs and midfielders it doesn't look like they will be doing that here, and as he said he needs to trim the squad numbers and they are not in his plans. Maybe it will all happen on Feb.3rd? And if we have signed this new guy El Khayati it appears that Ben has opened the purse before transferring anyone. Of course any player would appreciate an award and being interviewed they would express that whole-heatedly. My thoughts on who was the POTY are my opinions, same as anyone else's. If Someone though Mags was POTY does that mean they are disrespecting the fans? Not in my book. I happen to think that POTY 2 years ago was Mags, and that last years was Damo, and the players agreed both years so that's good enough for me. I will suggest now in jest, that if as someone who voted for Bell and Sharps that you disagee with the players selections and that you are disrespecting them (like Mr. Hawkins so elegantly accused me of in reverse). So just to be clear: You believe that the players in question are embarrassing themselves and risk doing that further? You believe they have to take whatever is offered? You believe they are being a bit disrespectful towards BAFC and the manager?
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 27, 2015 12:16:41 GMT
You said 'They were fans Players Of the Season not the Players Player of the season which actually means something' That means that the Fans POTS award does not mean anything in your eyes whereas the Players POTS does......unless you want to backtrack and change your stance.
If Damo had been voted Fans POTS last season and Mags POTS the season before would your opinion of the award be different, just because it would have agreed with yours?
That is clearing disrespecting the opinions of the fans by saying their choice doesnt really mean anything. If you thought Damo was POTY last year you are entitled to that view, I voted for somebody different, thats my choice but I wont go rubbishing the award just because my choice is not the eventual winner.
If I were you I would think about the phrase.......when in a hole.....stop digging. (as per Claymillman's suggestion)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 13:23:28 GMT
I stand by my opinions. However, some on here are picking out words and translating them to meet their own arguments. I never said anything about them being put in a position so as not to be able to pay bills, feed their kids.. My true thoughts on them leaving (them cutting the cord, not the club) is to wind down their careers in a positive way, helping another team (which I previously wrote). With Jimmy signing centre backs and midfielders it doesn't look like they will be doing that here, and as he said he needs to trim the squad numbers and they are not in his plans. Maybe it will all happen on Feb.3rd? And if we have signed this new guy El Khayati it appears that Ben has opened the purse before transferring anyone. Of course any player would appreciate an award and being interviewed they would express that whole-heatedly. My thoughts on who was the POTY are my opinions, same as anyone else's. If Someone though Mags was POTY does that mean they are disrespecting the fans? Not in my book. I happen to think that POTY 2 years ago was Mags, and that last years was Damo, and the players agreed both years so that's good enough for me. I will suggest now in jest, that if as someone who voted for Bell and Sharps that you disagee with the players selections and that you are disrespecting them (like Mr. Hawkins so elegantly accused me of in reverse). Regarding players leaving or for the matter of fact joining the football club,it should be a matter of fact! Your comments are so embarrassing and not true! Thank god your not in charge of the football club,your people skills leave much to be desired?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 16:09:07 GMT
I stand by my opinions. However, some on here are picking out words and translating them to meet their own arguments. I never said anything about them being put in a position so as not to be able to pay bills, feed their kids.. My true thoughts on them leaving (them cutting the cord, not the club) is to wind down their careers in a positive way, helping another team (which I previously wrote). With Jimmy signing centre backs and midfielders it doesn't look like they will be doing that here, and as he said he needs to trim the squad numbers and they are not in his plans. Maybe it will all happen on Feb.3rd? And if we have signed this new guy El Khayati it appears that Ben has opened the purse before transferring anyone. Of course any player would appreciate an award and being interviewed they would express that whole-heatedly. My thoughts on who was the POTY are my opinions, same as anyone else's. If Someone though Mags was POTY does that mean they are disrespecting the fans? Not in my book. I happen to think that POTY 2 years ago was Mags, and that last years was Damo, and the players agreed both years so that's good enough for me. I will suggest now in jest, that if as someone who voted for Bell and Sharps that you disagee with the players selections and that you are disrespecting them (like Mr. Hawkins so elegantly accused me of in reverse). Ditto
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 19:46:54 GMT
Some fans views on FB... Jonathan Langton 26 January at 17:07 Looks like Bell isn't going anywhere after all? Like · Share 13 people like this. Michael Vardy Hmm... unless we get a huge injury crisis in midfield I cant see him getting back in. 26 January at 17:14 · Like Tom Jarvis Great not 26 January at 17:56 · Like Jono Stone Good 26 January at 18:12 · Like Ian Carter If Lee Bell and Ian Sharps do not move on will this mean we keep them for the length of their contracts and potentially not make a signing because of the drain on the wage bill 26 January at 18:13 · Like · 2 Jonathan Langton Exactly Ian. 26 January at 18:18 · Like Louis Burrows For me Lee Bell this season has put 110% everytime he has been on the pitch. He is an excellent league 2 midfielder. The game i recall against morecambe or plymouth at home (can't remember which!) he was excellent in the midfield; winning headers, making tackles and being a leader that he is and getting the team going. I often look at weir and think how many headers he's won this season, and i dont' think it'll be double figures. Lee Bell is a much stronger and 'in your face' player whereas Robbie has that advanced passing ability. And look at the goal he scored against carlisle! Just unlucky for him that the form of the central midfielders at the moment is keeping him out. Is he our best player? No Is he worthy of starting a game at the moment? No Could he have a role in the promotion push? Dont think i'd see a player more passionate and committed to it 26 January at 19:08 · Like · 9 Ian McGibbon I think getting knocked out of the FA Cup first round will have a bigger effect on our budget and we more or less gave that one up before we got there. 26 January at 19:18 · Like · 4 Robert Cudworth It's JFH's decision and obviously he doesn't think they are good enough or as their age he is looking after the club and wants younger players. whatever happens both bell and Sharps will be gone and the end of the season anyway as they are out of contract. 26 January at 21:55 · Like Jonathan Langton Spot on Louis. 26 January at 22:01 · Like Callum Prince Tbf its down to jfh if he plays or not, belly doesnt have to leave untill his contracts up if he doesnt want to, we arent gonna pay a release fee thats for sure. Louis were not really an in your face team anymore, we play proper football now and imo thats what will get us promoted 26 January at 22:03 · Like Ian McGibbon I really am a tad unsure about this 'proper football' thing. I will agree that we are playing a bit more football, but really? I think JFH has shown he can grind and be as pragmatic as anyone. Wasn't there Saturday, but was there much 'proper football'? 26 January at 23:24 · Like Colston Crawford The pitch dictated it Ian but no, there wasn't. This team can do both and Jimmy understands the need for both. Good sign. 26 January at 23:28 · Like · 3
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 21:09:51 GMT
YAWN !
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Post by kendo on Jan 28, 2015 22:46:18 GMT
very tedious,its a boredom thing
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