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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:08:41 GMT
I'm not struggling (except for the cat on my knee). You disagreed with Trev's post, I think there was a deal of merit in Trev's post. You disagreed, but didn't seem able to challenge anything he said. That was my point. The moon is made of Wensleydale, I've seen that in a movie. Therefore it is true. Bit deep for a local football team forum and especially as we on here dont represent the overwhelming majority of fans. I am a season ticket holder who stands every week and watches i discuss my opinion with many many other normal supporters before during and after games. I pick up others views and reports press releases and rumours Many of them completely disagree with me many do agree with me. I again tell you and others there are a myriad of views on our club its management and its owner. You and others in this forum bubble would do well to remember that instead of acting like you have somekind of superior position..... you dont and i have no intention of taking any lecture from you or anyone else. Clough would have been sacked by 91 other clubs during or at the end of last season. That is the view of hundreds of supporters if you did but know it I thought you didn't want the manager fired? You've kept telling us that all season.
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Post by annable on May 5, 2019 16:18:57 GMT
I'm not struggling (except for the cat on my knee). You disagreed with Trev's post, I think there was a deal of merit in Trev's post. You disagreed, but didn't seem able to challenge anything he said. That was my point. The moon is made of Wensleydale, I've seen that in a movie. Therefore it is true. Bit deep for a local football team forum and especially as we on here dont represent the overwhelming majority of fans. I am a season ticket holder who stands every week and watch the games. i discuss my opinion with many many other normal supporters before during and after games. I pick up others views and read reports press releases and listen to rumours of whats going on in theclub. Many of the supporters i talk to completely disagree with me but many others do agree with me. I dont take offence or start insulting them. I again tell you and others there are a myriad of views on our club its management and its owner. You and others in this forum bubble would do well to remember that instead of acting like you have somekind of superior position....which of course you dont should accept alternative opinion and i have no intention of taking any lecture from you or anyone else about my club. It will be here well after the current manager leaves as it did the last time ge left. Clough would have been sacked by 91 other clubs during or at the end of last season. That is the view of hundreds of our supporters if you did but know it. To be honest I think it would be more than a few hundred thinking that the other 91 league clubs would have sacked NC during last season but we didn't. The reward for that was a ninth place finish, a league cup semi final and some great attacking, entertaining football this season. Genuine question now. Who could realistically have come in and taken over and achieved that? Don't say Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp!!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:23:01 GMT
I'm not struggling (except for the cat on my knee). You disagreed with Trev's post, I think there was a deal of merit in Trev's post. You disagreed, but didn't seem able to challenge anything he said. That was my point. The moon is made of Wensleydale, I've seen that in a movie. Therefore it is true. Bit deep for a local football team forum and especially as we on here dont represent the overwhelming majority of fans. I am a season ticket holder who stands every week and watch the games. i discuss my opinion with many many other normal supporters before during and after games. I pick up others views and read reports press releases and listen to rumours of whats going on in theclub. Many of the supporters i talk to completely disagree with me but many others do agree with me. I dont take offence or start insulting them. I again tell you and others there are a myriad of views on our club its management and its owner. You and others in this forum bubble would do well to remember that instead of acting like you have somekind of superior position....which of course you dont should accept alternative opinion and i have no intention of taking any lecture from you or anyone else about my club. It will be here well after the current manager leaves as it did the last time ge left. Clough would have been sacked by 91 other clubs during or at the end of last season. That is the view of hundreds of our supporters if you did but know it. I don't presume to represent anyones views apart from my own. I always read and listen to people's alternative views and opinions, some I accept, some I disagree with. Two posters yesterday on Facebook suggested that the main reason we were relegated from the Championship was Bywater. I disagree with that as an argument, because it is baseless in fact, either objectively or subjectively. I'm not lecturing you, I am simply pointing out that opinions are best formed looking at facts and evidence. As it happens the one thing I don't disagree with you about is that Clough may have been sacked if at any of the other 91 clubs but ours. I have no evidence that hundreds of fans supported that view. Did you speak personally to over 200 fans that told you that? But you see, that is why this club is so special, because we know our strengths and use them to deliver wy beyond expectations.. I also guarantee that it is because of the way that we are run that we have been in the fortunate position we are. players come and go, they always have always will, managers make decisions, some popular some not so. By and large this manager gets them right. The facts support that.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:27:39 GMT
Bit deep for a local football team forum and especially as we on here dont represent the overwhelming majority of fans. I am a season ticket holder who stands every week and watch the games. i discuss my opinion with many many other normal supporters before during and after games. I pick up others views and read reports press releases and listen to rumours of whats going on in theclub. Many of the supporters i talk to completely disagree with me but many others do agree with me. I dont take offence or start insulting them. I again tell you and others there are a myriad of views on our club its management and its owner. You and others in this forum bubble would do well to remember that instead of acting like you have somekind of superior position....which of course you dont should accept alternative opinion and i have no intention of taking any lecture from you or anyone else about my club. It will be here well after the current manager leaves as it did the last time ge left. Clough would have been sacked by 91 other clubs during or at the end of last season. That is the view of hundreds of our supporters if you did but know it. To be honest I think it would be more than a few hundred thinking that the other 91 league clubs would have sacked NC during last season but we didn't. The reward for that was a ninth place finish, a league cup semi final and some great attacking, entertaining football this season. Genuine question now. Who could realistically have come in and taken over and achieved that? Don't say Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp!! I have no real idea who would have come in and manage us that is left to our owner and is a different issue but what i do know is NC was the manager whose team didnt win at home for 7 months resulting in catastrophic fall off in attendences
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:35:55 GMT
To be honest I think it would be more than a few hundred thinking that the other 91 league clubs would have sacked NC during last season but we didn't. The reward for that was a ninth place finish, a league cup semi final and some great attacking, entertaining football this season. Genuine question now. Who could realistically have come in and taken over and achieved that? Don't say Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp!! I have no real idea who would have come in and manage us that is left to our owner and is a different issue but what i do know is NC was the manager whose team didnt win at home for 7 months resulting in catastrophic fall off in attendences Unfortunately fans are fickle. They'' be back if we're embedded in a play off challenge next season. I think catastrophic is too dramatic a word. Nothing catastrophic has happened at all, we're still ticking along nicely. I know who I'd rather be and it's not teams like Bolton. What happened there is catastrophic. Us? we were playing at a level we should never have reached and the top clubs dished out a hiding which some of our fans couldn't take.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:36:28 GMT
Bit deep for a local football team forum and especially as we on here dont represent the overwhelming majority of fans. I am a season ticket holder who stands every week and watch the games. i discuss my opinion with many many other normal supporters before during and after games. I pick up others views and read reports press releases and listen to rumours of whats going on in theclub. Many of the supporters i talk to completely disagree with me but many others do agree with me. I dont take offence or start insulting them. I again tell you and others there are a myriad of views on our club its management and its owner. You and others in this forum bubble would do well to remember that instead of acting like you have somekind of superior position....which of course you dont should accept alternative opinion and i have no intention of taking any lecture from you or anyone else about my club. It will be here well after the current manager leaves as it did the last time ge left. Clough would have been sacked by 91 other clubs during or at the end of last season. That is the view of hundreds of our supporters if you did but know it. I don't presume to represent anyones views apart from my own. I always read and listen to people's alternative views and opinions, some I accept, some I disagree with. Two posters yesterday on Facebook suggested that the main reason we were relegated from the Championship was Bywater. I disagree with that as an argument, because it is baseless in fact, either objectively or subjectively. I'm not lecturing you, I am simply pointing out that opinions are best formed looking at facts and evidence. As it happens the one thing I don't disagree with you about is that Clough may have been sacked if at any of the other 91 clubs but ours. I have no evidence that hundreds of fans supported that view. Did you speak personally to over 200 fans that told you that? But you see, that is why this club is so special, because we know our strengths and use them to deliver wy beyond expectations.. I also guarantee that it is because of the way that we are run that we have been in the fortunate position we are. players come and go, they always have always will, managers make decisions, some popular some not so. By and large this manager gets them right. The facts support that. In connection with your final para. The facts seem to suggest contrary to what you have written our manager didnt get much right at all last season hence our terfible home results collapse of attendee support and ultimate relegation.... fact.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:39:28 GMT
I have no real idea who would have come in and manage us that is left to our owner and is a different issue but what i do know is NC was the manager whose team didnt win at home for 7 months resulting in catastrophic fall off in attendences Unfortunately fans are fickle. They'' be back if we're embedded in a play off challenge next season. I think catastrophic is too dramatic a word. Nothing catastrophic has happened at all, we're still ticking along nicely. I know who I'd rather be and it's not teams like Bolton. What happened there is catastrophic. Us? we were playing at a level we should never have reached and the top clubs dished out a hiding which some of our fans couldn't take. Reading the first line of your thread tells me the fans wont be back then because we wont be embedded in any play off challenge
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:42:57 GMT
Unfortunately fans are fickle. They'' be back if we're embedded in a play off challenge next season. I think catastrophic is too dramatic a word. Nothing catastrophic has happened at all, we're still ticking along nicely. I know who I'd rather be and it's not teams like Bolton. What happened there is catastrophic. Us? we were playing at a level we should never have reached and the top clubs dished out a hiding which some of our fans couldn't take. Reading the first line of your thread tells me the fans wont be back then because we wont be embedded in any play off challenge I hope you don't bother renewing your season ticket then. Most Burton fans I know, players and management are looking forward to next season with optimism.
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Post by annable on May 5, 2019 16:52:13 GMT
To be honest I think it would be more than a few hundred thinking that the other 91 league clubs would have sacked NC during last season but we didn't. The reward for that was a ninth place finish, a league cup semi final and some great attacking, entertaining football this season. Genuine question now. Who could realistically have come in and taken over and achieved that? Don't say Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp!! I have no real idea who would have come in and manage us that is left to our owner and is a different issue but what i do know is NC was the manager whose team didnt win at home for 7 months resulting in catastrophic fall off in attendences That was then and this is now. Do you not think that in hindsight it was the right decision given how this season has gone? I don't think any true Brewers fan can say that overall they haven't enjoyed this season and the so called missing fans you refer to are probably ones that only started going when we got to the Championship. Fair weather fans I think you call them.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:53:04 GMT
Unfortunately fans are fickle. They'' be back if we're embedded in a play off challenge next season. I think catastrophic is too dramatic a word. Nothing catastrophic has happened at all, we're still ticking along nicely. I know who I'd rather be and it's not teams like Bolton. What happened there is catastrophic. Us? we were playing at a level we should never have reached and the top clubs dished out a hiding which some of our fans couldn't take. Reading the first line of your thread tells me the fans wont be back then because we wont be embedded in any play off challenge Let me remind you that even this season as late as January you said Boyce would be sold in that window, that we'd accepted our fate, then went on to say we'd finish in a maximum of 15th with 53 points and 40-44 goals. Now do you see why I don't put any value on your thoughts football wise?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:59:17 GMT
Reading the first line of your thread tells me the fans wont be back then because we wont be embedded in any play off challenge Let me remind you that even this season as late as January you said Boyce would be sold in that window, that we'd accepted our fate, then went on to say we'd finish in a maximum of 15th with 53 points and 40-44 goals. Now do you see why I don't put any value on your thoughts football wise? My view on our final posi was also that of many others out there in the real world aswell as a number on here. I am delighted we have finished where we have but like NC expected better having as he said kept the nuclues of our championship side. So what went wrong?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 17:03:49 GMT
Let me remind you that even this season as late as January you said Boyce would be sold in that window, that we'd accepted our fate, then went on to say we'd finish in a maximum of 15th with 53 points and 40-44 goals. Now do you see why I don't put any value on your thoughts football wise? My view on our final posi was also that of many others out there in the real world aswell as a number on here. I am delighted we have finished where we have but like NC expected better having as he said kept the nuclues of our championship side. So what went wrong? Let's have a chat over a cup of coffee and we can discuss what went wrong all day. Name the place.
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Post by mikeyboy on May 5, 2019 17:25:58 GMT
Do you sit or stand Royston? A couple of weeks ago you seemed to say you were in the main stand, today you said you stand?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 17:31:35 GMT
Do you sit or stand Royston? A couple of weeks ago you seemed to say you were in the main stand, today you said you stand? I find it a little strange that no-one on here knows him. We're such a small club with a small fan base we usually bump into one and another or someone who knows someone. You know me, I know you. Everyone knows someone. No-one knows this guy. Season ticket holder, hell he's even pulled up weeds at the side of the pitch at Eton Park and still no bugger on here knows who he is. I've got a feeling someone at the club might know him though. So here's hoping he get's bombed out.
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Post by mikeyboy on May 5, 2019 17:47:52 GMT
I think I know him statking....... But then again......
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 17:55:24 GMT
Do you sit or stand Royston? A couple of weeks ago you seemed to say you were in the main stand, today you said you stand? I find it a little strange that no-one on here knows him. We're such a small club with a small fan base we usually bump into one and another or someone who knows someone. You know me, I know you. Everyone knows someone. No-one knows this guy. Season ticket holder, hell he's even pulled up weeds at the side of the pitch at Eton Park and still no bugger on here knows who he is. I've got a feeling someone at the club might know him though. So here's hoping he get's bombed out. You are again beginning to ignore sound advice and going well OTT mate like last time as Broomo. Take a step back before you make anymore ridiculous accusations or insinuations. I again for the umpteenth time remind you as have others this is a local football club supporters forum. People are entitled to an opinion,question club plans, game tactics, management decisions, player recruitment and ownership decisions. If you cant accept that your in the wrong place mate and none of your ridiculous threats or intimidation will stop me or others from contributing to this forum. I may however ask the moderator to consider your above threads
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:01:11 GMT
I find it a little strange that no-one on here knows him. We're such a small club with a small fan base we usually bump into one and another or someone who knows someone. You know me, I know you. Everyone knows someone. No-one knows this guy. Season ticket holder, hell he's even pulled up weeds at the side of the pitch at Eton Park and still no bugger on here knows who he is. I've got a feeling someone at the club might know him though. So here's hoping he get's bombed out. You are again beginning to ignore sound advice and going well OTT mate like last time as Broomo. Take a step back before you make anymore ridiculous accusations or insinuations. I again for the umpteenth time remind you as have others this is a local football club supporters forum. People are entitled to an opinion,question club plans, game tactics, management decisions, player recruitment and ownership decisions. If you cant accept that your in the wrong place mate and none of your ridiculous threats or intimidation will stop me or others from contributing to this forum. I may however ask the moderator to consider your above threadsPlease do. I don't post ANYTHING I wouldn't say to someone's face. I'm 100% fine with what and how I've posted. If Norah has an issue, she's strong enough to let me know for sure.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:21:57 GMT
You are again beginning to ignore sound advice and going well OTT mate like last time as Broomo. Take a step back before you make anymore ridiculous accusations or insinuations. I again for the umpteenth time remind you as have others this is a local football club supporters forum. People are entitled to an opinion,question club plans, game tactics, management decisions, player recruitment and ownership decisions. If you cant accept that your in the wrong place mate and none of your ridiculous threats or intimidation will stop me or others from contributing to this forum. I may however ask the moderator to consider your above threadsPlease do. I don't post ANYTHING I wouldn't say to someone's face. I'm 100% fine with what and how I've posted. If Norah has an issue, she's strong enough to let me know for sure. The problem is i dont want to meet you face to face i just want to be allowed to participate in my football clubs supporters forum. You are trying to prevent that because you dont agree with what i say? Just be a little more accomodating like the rest of us and we can all enjoy the banter. You are at risk of ruining a healthy debating facility.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:27:42 GMT
Please do. I don't post ANYTHING I wouldn't say to someone's face. I'm 100% fine with what and how I've posted. If Norah has an issue, she's strong enough to let me know for sure. The problem is i dont want to meet you face to face i just want to be allowed to participate in my football clubs supporters forum. You are trying to prevent that because you dont agree with what i say? Just be a little more accomodating like the rest of us and we can all enjoy the banter. You are at risk of ruining a healthy debating facility. You do this often. You cause havoc then turn around like all sweetness and light. Be more accomodating, enjoy the banter. You or anyone seriously think you create "healthy" debate? You're toxic pal. Absolute toxic. Stop telling porkies. stop making stuff up, stop trying to hammer the owner and the manager and do what this place is really for. A place for "supporters" of Burton Albion to dicsuss football. Find one post of yours where you've actually dicsussed the game or the build up to the game without having a snide dig and I'll start to be more accommodating. I can't believe people fall for your bullshit attempts to deflect from the only and real issue.
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Post by fergo on May 6, 2019 8:15:12 GMT
Just replying to your post on the now locked thread nobodygood.
I reckon if the players or other employees of BAFC did read this they would be intelligent enough to spot the knob heads. 95% of the stuff on this forum is constructive debate. Also it would be boring if we all agreed all the time.
Ps isn't it about time you changed your user name again? (been a while lol)
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