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Post by annable on Dec 26, 2017 23:35:07 GMT
Overall it was a decent effort today against the team that gave us the biggest going over since we've been in this league. At the end of the day it's about fine margins, decision making and that little bit of extra quality at the times when it mattered and they edged it in those departments today.
The way the game started and the pressure we were under the only way we were going to knock them out of their stride was by scoring and that's what we did. For the rest of the first half we looked relatively comfortable but the first game changing moment for me came with Jamie Allen's great run from box to box but his indecision meant the chance went begging. Two nil and half time and I'm sure we wouldn't have lost. Half time came and I thought they looked really rattled which was a compliment to us.
Second half started well for us and the headed chance for Naylor and Sordell's shot just wide could have settled it. However, straight after that Tom F lunges in, free kick and the rest is history. At the time, with my view from my seat in block 7 I thought he had played the ball but I see Nigel has not complained about the decision by the referee but more so by Tom's decision to lunge in. Second goal was a poor one from our point of view and ought have been cut out before it got to Roofe.
After that we held our own without looking overly threatening until the scramble at the end when it looked like we should have scored. Again, fine margins.
Overall I thought Nigel's tactics were spot on. We just don't have the players to take on the likes of Leeds in a free flowing open game of football so to turn it into the battle it became was ideal for us and as I said earlier a bit more quality at the right time and better decision making and it could have been oh so different. Still, the bottom three lost so no harm done.
We go again Saturday. COYB!!
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Post by keggy on Dec 27, 2017 7:11:29 GMT
Nice to see Leeds celebrating beating Burton Albion like they'd won the Champions League. Cute. And the fact that we actually feel robbed and cheated. Same performance Saturday please lads
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Post by imonlyhereforthebeer on Dec 27, 2017 10:56:42 GMT
I was pleased to see the 4-5-1 set up. I thought after an opening flurry from Leeds, they then struggled to get the through the massed ranks of yellow shirts. Defensively,Marking and tracking back on the whole looked so much better. Burton got their noses ahead and I was confident they could defend this lead. The angry reaction from their supporters underlined I think, how well it was going at this point. That second goal that, I think, would have killed the game never came. Leeds of course needing no invitation to take the chances that came their way. A great shame, because I thought that was the best I’ve seen at home for awhile. The two away wins have taken some heat out of the situation, and I’m cautiously optimistic that after the performance against Leeds, some decent business in January will push the Brewers to safety.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:12:04 GMT
Not watched any of it back yet.
Some good points on here, some I agree with, some not.
Modern football:
Any tackle now where a player goes to ground and also contacts the opponent seems to be a foul, an interpretation brought in because of play acting/simulation by players and the inability of the lawmakers and referees to understand the game and apply common sense.
Offside, if we are not defending the lad who was offside (for the Leeds) goal then we could have properly defended the scorer, but because he is deemed not to be active/interfereing etc that is okay? Of course he is interfering, we are having to defend his potential run.
The Sordell offside when Leeds stopped playing to get the offside decision. There has to be an answer to this, how long being back in an 'onside' position does a player have to wait?
The shorts pulling incident. Daft from Bywater, but for goodness sake lad, pull your shorts up and get on with the game. Are you that desperate to get a fellow professional a yellow card that you are going to stand around with your shorts down, under crackers on show? I wouldn't expect two year old to be doing it.
We have conceded the fewest fouls and have the fewest yellow cards in the League. Yes Flanagan could jockey the lad and stand up as requested and they can equally run past us unchallenged and score at will.
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Post by trevor1946 on Dec 27, 2017 12:58:56 GMT
All this frustration at losing to Leeds utd, shows the effort and team spirit we have and the relief from Leeds at beating Burton, shows how far we have come. Winners in this league are found with top quality players, who can win a game .Burton don't have any. The free kick and wonderful pass and finish was a enough for three points. Jamie Allen with his poor decision making, cost us ,Flanagan's lunge cost us, Sordell missing the target yet again cost us, Naylor with a free header Pumping aimless ball up the field cost us. And yet I am proud of everyone of them. As for our young players lessons will have been learned. Leeds Utd beating Burton Albion, and they are so proud of this achievement, who would ever have thought it,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 13:18:13 GMT
Now looked at it back.
One wall did its job, the other didn't. Dyer aimlessly wandered off the end of the wall, the free kick want through about head height past the wall. If it had been in the right place and doing its job, no goal.
Meanwhile, Dyer's free kick at the end, Leeds wall stood up jumped up and the ball didn't pass.
Modern football continued:
Time taken out of the game by the in the 2nd half by the referee...
Naylor's yellow and injury to Vierra - 3 mins 25 secs Brewers free kick on 53:30 - 45 secs Flanagan free kick and Leeds goal - 2 mins 30 secs Flanagan booking - 1.00 min Leeds 2nd goal - 45 secs 1st Leeds substitution - 45 secs 2nd Leeds sub - 30 secs BAFC sub - 15 secs 3rd Leeds sub - 55 secs Brewers free kick in injury time - 50 secs.
Total = 11 mins 40 secs. Time added 6 mins.
That does not include anytime for goal licks, corners and other faffing around, just when the game is stopped by the referee and when he allows it to be restarted.
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Post by craig1 on Dec 27, 2017 13:30:18 GMT
Trevor said:
All this frustration at losing to Leeds utd, shows the effort and team spirit we have and the relief from Leeds at beating Burton, shows how far we have come. Winners in this league are found with top quality players, who can win a game .Burton don't have any. The free kick and wonderful pass and finish was a enough for three points. Jamie Allen with his poor decision making, cost us ,Flanagan's lunge cost us, Sordell missing the target yet again cost us, Naylor with a free header Pumping aimless ball up the field cost us. And yet I am proud of everyone of them. As for our young players lessons will have been learned. Leeds Utd beating Burton Albion, and they are so proud of this achievement, who would ever have thought it,
Trevor, I reckon we show some teams perhaps to much respect and saying we don't have any quality players isn't true. Yes our expectations have gone up but you can't keep thinking about who you are playing, such as a big club like Leeds. One of their better players this season is a defender signed from Chesterfield and Roofe is a product of their Acadamy. The two things we lack are self belief in how we can play and a local loyal fan base! But I do agree that we do just lump the ball forward and give the opposition another go far too often.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 13:49:03 GMT
Trevor said: All this frustration at losing to Leeds utd, shows the effort and team spirit we have and the relief from Leeds at beating Burton, shows how far we have come. Winners in this league are found with top quality players, who can win a game .Burton don't have any. The free kick and wonderful pass and finish was a enough for three points. Jamie Allen with his poor decision making, cost us ,Flanagan's lunge cost us, Sordell missing the target yet again cost us, Naylor with a free header Pumping aimless ball up the field cost us. And yet I am proud of everyone of them. As for our young players lessons will have been learned. Leeds Utd beating Burton Albion, and they are so proud of this achievement, who would ever have thought it, Trevor, I reckon we show some teams perhaps to much respect and saying we don't have any quality players isn't true. Yes our expectations have gone up but you can't keep thinking about who you are playing, such as a big club like Leeds. One of their better players this season is a defender signed from Chesterfield and Roofe is a product of their Acadamy. The two things we lack are self belief in how we can play and a local loyal fan base! But I do agree that we do just lump the ball forward and give the opposition another go far too often. I think they bought Roofe for about £3 million.
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Post by swaddy Dave on Dec 27, 2017 15:19:26 GMT
Trevor said: All this frustration at losing to Leeds utd, shows the effort and team spirit we have and the relief from Leeds at beating Burton, shows how far we have come. Winners in this league are found with top quality players, who can win a game .Burton don't have any. The free kick and wonderful pass and finish was a enough for three points. Jamie Allen with his poor decision making, cost us ,Flanagan's lunge cost us, Sordell missing the target yet again cost us, Naylor with a free header Pumping aimless ball up the field cost us. And yet I am proud of everyone of them. As for our young players lessons will have been learned. Leeds Utd beating Burton Albion, and they are so proud of this achievement, who would ever have thought it, Trevor, I reckon we show some teams perhaps to much respect and saying we don't have any quality players isn't true. Yes our expectations have gone up but you can't keep thinking about who you are playing, such as a big club like Leeds. One of their better players this season is a defender signed from Chesterfield and Roofe is a product of their Acadamy. The two things we lack are self belief in how we can play and a local loyal fan base! But I do agree that we do just lump the ball forward and give the opposition another go far too often. I think they bought Roofe for about £3 million. From Oxford UTD if I remember rightly.
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Post by craig1 on Dec 27, 2017 15:34:57 GMT
Apologies guys, Yes Roofe was a massive 2016 summer signing from Oxford, previously a West Brom youngster.
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Post by trevor1946 on Dec 27, 2017 16:48:28 GMT
Without going into details of all their players, Leeds have 19 players costing 1 million or more, Burton had 2 Murphy and Mason, Neither could play Next player at a modest 750,ooo Boyce missing in action. Our lads have been given or earned a opportunity to progress their careers, and will I believe continue to give their all for the cause. Disappointed losing to Leeds. Problem is we see our players on a even playing field. and people judge them on that.
Hence I am afraid a constant reminder of who we are and were we come from. Div 2 on a rollercoaster, And Leeds have proved how good they are by beating us No wonder we should be proud .Nice gate today
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Post by bobgauden on Dec 27, 2017 17:50:00 GMT
Whilst its admirable being high in the fair play league I do believe you have to play teams such as Leeds at their own game. The cheats won yesterday and while we hold our heads morally high we trudged off the pitch with nothing to show for our honesty. To me fair play awards don't do enough especially when a whole season can hinge on pivotal decisions.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Dec 27, 2017 18:41:40 GMT
Whilst its admirable being high in the fair play league I do believe you have to play teams such as Leeds at their own game. The cheats won yesterday and while we hold our heads morally high we trudged off the pitch with nothing to show for our honesty. To me fair play awards don't do enough especially when a whole season can hinge on pivotal decisions. Although I deplore that kind of behaviour - we had a free kick on the 90th minute. Why did no one go and stand in front of their keeper and jump around like a nob? It'd have really riled the (hypocritical) Leeds fans and given us all a good laugh. I felt like running onto the pitch myself. Someone could have also pulled their own shorts down and tried to blame one of the Leeds players. It'd have killed a few minutes and given them a taste of their own medicine. Let's face it, I'm sure they would have remonstrated and shown the whole of the Sky audience what a bunch of ****s (I'm not allowed to use that word but it begins with a 'c') they are.
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Post by fergo on Dec 27, 2017 19:49:20 GMT
Trevor said: All this frustration at losing to Leeds utd, shows the effort and team spirit we have and the relief from Leeds at beating Burton, shows how far we have come. Winners in this league are found with top quality players, who can win a game .Burton don't have any. The free kick and wonderful pass and finish was a enough for three points. Jamie Allen with his poor decision making, cost us ,Flanagan's lunge cost us, Sordell missing the target yet again cost us, Naylor with a free header Pumping aimless ball up the field cost us. And yet I am proud of everyone of them. As for our young players lessons will have been learned. Leeds Utd beating Burton Albion, and they are so proud of this achievement, who would ever have thought it, Trevor, I reckon we show some teams perhaps to much respect and saying we don't have any quality players isn't true. Yes our expectations have gone up but you can't keep thinking about who you are playing, such as a big club like Leeds. One of their better players this season is a defender signed from Chesterfield and Roofe is a product of their Acadamy. The two things we lack are self belief in how we can play and a local loyal fan base! But I do agree that we do just lump the ball forward and give the opposition another go far too often. I lost count at the number of times, Turner especially, hoofed it forward in the second half. To be fair though we didn't always have much option, better sides seem to close down the space more effectively. Disappointed with not getting at least a point. If only we had taken some of chances we had.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 20:31:39 GMT
Trevor said: All this frustration at losing to Leeds utd, shows the effort and team spirit we have and the relief from Leeds at beating Burton, shows how far we have come. Winners in this league are found with top quality players, who can win a game .Burton don't have any. The free kick and wonderful pass and finish was a enough for three points. Jamie Allen with his poor decision making, cost us ,Flanagan's lunge cost us, Sordell missing the target yet again cost us, Naylor with a free header Pumping aimless ball up the field cost us. And yet I am proud of everyone of them. As for our young players lessons will have been learned. Leeds Utd beating Burton Albion, and they are so proud of this achievement, who would ever have thought it, Trevor, I reckon we show some teams perhaps to much respect and saying we don't have any quality players isn't true. Yes our expectations have gone up but you can't keep thinking about who you are playing, such as a big club like Leeds. One of their better players this season is a defender signed from Chesterfield and Roofe is a product of their Acadamy. The two things we lack are self belief in how we can play and a local loyal fan base! But I do agree that we do just lump the ball forward and give the opposition another go far too often. I lost count at the number of times, Turner especially, hoofed it forward in the second half. To be fair though we didn't always have much option, better sides seem to close down the space more effectively. Disappointed with not getting at least a point. If only we had taken some of chances we had. We cant retain possession well Enough really. We play v deep Allowing the oppo to occupy the middle of the park
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Post by noiblanotrub on Dec 27, 2017 20:35:38 GMT
Whilst its admirable being high in the fair play league I do believe you have to play teams such as Leeds at their own game. The cheats won yesterday and while we hold our heads morally high we trudged off the pitch with nothing to show for our honesty. To me fair play awards don't do enough especially when a whole season can hinge on pivotal decisions. Although I deplore that kind of behaviour - we had a free kick on the 90th minute. Why did no one go and stand in front of their keeper and jump around like a nob? It'd have really riled the (hypocritical) Leeds fans and given us all a good laugh. I felt like running onto the pitch myself. Someone could have also pulled their own shorts down and tried to blame one of the Leeds players. It'd have killed a few minutes and given them a taste of their own medicine. Let's face it, I'm sure they would have remonstrated and shown the whole of the Sky audience what a bunch of ****s (I'm not allowed to use that word but it begins with a 'c') they are. I’m sure Leeds tactics are well rehearsed and planned. It’s not a strategy you can suddenly adopt or replicate half way through a game. In any case with our particular manager with his particular Dad no doubt “looking over his shoulder” I can’t see BAFC are going down that route any time soon- thankfully!
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Post by bennyboy on Dec 28, 2017 10:11:28 GMT
We need to get smart though at set pieces/corners. Most clubs I guess work on these things, do we try and do different things? Not saying we don't, it doesn't show on match day, maybe NC isn't too bothered about what we do, who knows but we don't seem to have many ideas in that dept.
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Post by mikeyboy on Dec 28, 2017 10:25:51 GMT
We need to get smart though at set pieces/corners. Most clubs I guess work on these things, do we try and do different things? Not saying we don't, it doesn't show on match day, maybe NC isn't too bothered about what we do, who knows but we don't seem to have many ideas in that dept. Did you see that Leeds have a specialist ‘Set Piece Coach’ - a mean looking Italian geezer?
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Post by trevor1946 on Dec 28, 2017 10:59:52 GMT
Reading a book on Revie it astounded me how astute the tactics were. Every team has a good spell, and they took it in turns to feign injury just to stop, the flow of the game, and disrupt the opposition. Also a good ploy was to take it in turn to whack the best opposition player, To slow him down, mix it so the ref does not see one player being aggressive. Also keep on the refs back ,so he questions every decision and loses concentration ,and the crowd gets hostile, Apparently their is more to football, than we fans think
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Post by bennyboy on Dec 28, 2017 11:44:47 GMT
We need to get smart though at set pieces/corners. Most clubs I guess work on these things, do we try and do different things? Not saying we don't, it doesn't show on match day, maybe NC isn't too bothered about what we do, who knows but we don't seem to have many ideas in that dept. Did you see that Leeds have a specialist ‘Set Piece Coach’ - a mean looking Italian geezer? I didn't see him but heard about him. I watched the set piece goal of Leeds, it certainly had Steve wound up, it worked though, excellent kick. Their two players who stood offside and clearly would have been interfering with play/sight of the keeper, very quickly retreated back to "the wall" as the ball was struck, well worked. My thoughts on these type of situations, why not have a man on each post (us) those are the areas exposed?
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