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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 12, 2017 22:06:49 GMT
With Warnock injured he was a good signing... |
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Post by everard on Aug 12, 2017 22:35:11 GMT
Arguably Flanagan should have come on at the start of the second half (well sooner than he did) With only 10 men, Dyer was getting overrun down the left. We looked a bit steadier with four at the back... but not as solid as the end of last season (we know who's missing)
Bywater made several great stops... without them the result could have been at the embarrassing end of the scale...
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Post by sinfinbovril on Aug 13, 2017 8:18:58 GMT
Just had a mildly positive thought. I will share it with you...
Last season. First two games - got stuffed for four away against a 'big team'. Then got beat at home by an average half famous Championship side.
This season. First two games - oh, it's the same.
Last season turned out alright.
Makes me feel better anyway.
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 13, 2017 8:35:39 GMT
Just had a mildly positive thought. I will share it with you... Last season. First two games - got stuffed for four away against a 'big team'. Then got beat at home by an average half famous Championship side. This season. First two games - oh, it's the same. Last season turned out alright. Makes me feel better anyway. I'd say the teams we lost our first two last season were worse than these two. Cardiff are on fire, and Hull are a relegated PL team. Forest and Bristol were relegation stragglers. |
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Post by fergo on Aug 13, 2017 9:09:04 GMT
Slightly off topic but I heard the stewards telling alot of fans, who had obviously purchased the more expensive £24 ticket option, that that section was closed and just to sit anywhere! Hope they get refunded the £6 difference by the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 9:46:17 GMT
Slightly off topic but I heard the stewards telling alot of fans, who had obviously purchased the more expensive £24 ticket option, that that section was closed and just to sit anywhere! Hope they get refunded the £6 difference by the club. It was just a blatant way for Hull to rinse the away fans. Also noticed we had twice as many stewards outside our turnstiles as the home end next to us did and we were getting searched and they weren't. I know this is probably standard at grounds now but it seemed a bit more heavy handed at Hull than usual. Yesterday's result conjured memories of Brighton but the day itself couldn't have been more of a polar opposite. Brighton's fans were brilliant to us and magnanimous in victory and the stewards also treated us well. It's a cracking place to visit despite the fact it snowed and was probably the coldest day of the year when we went. I'd go back there in a heartbeat whereas Hull (City of Culture 2017) is how I imagine purgatory to look. |
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 13, 2017 12:21:39 GMT
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Post by insideleft on Aug 13, 2017 13:21:40 GMT
Not sure unbelievable is the right word. I'd say it was a split second decision that could have gone our way, possibly should have but didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 13:58:21 GMT
I think this is a difficult decision because players are moving in opposite directions, but one that linesmen have been getting much better at. It isn't marginal.
The one for their first goal was much worse in my opinion. For that one all the players were running the same way.
Both were poor decisions but it will even Up over the season, apparently.
I was interested in what Clough said about head of referees David Allison. To paraphrase he said that Allison often says that players make mistakes and therefore you should expect officials to. Clough' response was interesting, that players makes mistakes because there is eleven people in opposition forcing the mistakes where's the officials have no one playing against them. I thought it was an interesting response.
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Post by observer on Aug 13, 2017 14:05:27 GMT
I think this is a difficult decision because players are moving in opposite directions, but one that linesmen have been getting much better at. It isn't marginal. The one for their first goal was much worse in my opinion. For that one all the players were running the same way. Both were poor decisions but it will even Up over the season, apparently. I was interested in what Clough said about head of referees David Allison. To paraphrase he said that Allison often says that players make mistakes and therefore you should expect officials to. Clough' response was interesting, that players makes mistakes because there is eleven people in opposition forcing the mistakes where's the officials have no one playing against them. I thought it was an interesting response. I'm pretty sure that when Nigel retired as a player he actually considered becoming a professional referee? |
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 13, 2017 14:21:05 GMT
Not sure unbelievable is the right word. I'd say it was a split second decision that could have gone our way, possibly should have but didn't. Should have gone our way... definitely he's about 3/4ft onside |
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Post by noiblanotrub on Aug 13, 2017 15:28:06 GMT
A goal clearly offside that stood against us, one clearly onside that was disallowed plus a harsh second yellow. We were long-shots to start with but to go in at half time 1-1 and down to 10 when it should have been 0-2 with 11 men is just too much! Let's hope the decisions do even out pretty quickly. I wasn't too enamoured with the ref at the Cardiff game either come to think of it. Lots of petty stoppages in their favour and a good penalty shout dismissed when Dyer was bundled or tripped. hmmmmmm.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Aug 13, 2017 15:35:27 GMT
I think this is a difficult decision because players are moving in opposite directions, but one that linesmen have been getting much better at. It isn't marginal. The one for their first goal was much worse in my opinion. For that one all the players were running the same way. Both were poor decisions but it will even Up over the season, apparently. I was interested in what Clough said about head of referees David Allison. To paraphrase he said that Allison often says that players make mistakes and therefore you should expect officials to. Clough' response was interesting, that players makes mistakes because there is eleven people in opposition forcing the mistakes where's the officials have no one playing against them. I thought it was an interesting response. One of Clough Snr's quotes to his players was "leave the ref alone cos he'll make fewer mistakes than you will." |
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Post by benegoat on Aug 13, 2017 16:05:25 GMT
Goals on 5 said Mick McCarthy was the best manager on a budget. Lol. He's spent £5m at least this window... jokers. Just think if Clough had 5m to spend we d be challenging for the playoffs! We could be top of the league and there would be no media recognition but I'm sure Clough couldn't careless |
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Post by observer on Aug 13, 2017 16:09:34 GMT
To get back on track we need to win one, draw one and lose one in our next 3 games
I think we will
And then build from there
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 16:18:13 GMT
I think this is a difficult decision because players are moving in opposite directions, but one that linesmen have been getting much better at. It isn't marginal. The one for their first goal was much worse in my opinion. For that one all the players were running the same way. Both were poor decisions but it will even Up over the season, apparently. I was interested in what Clough said about head of referees David Allison. To paraphrase he said that Allison often says that players make mistakes and therefore you should expect officials to. Clough' response was interesting, that players makes mistakes because there is eleven people in opposition forcing the mistakes where's the officials have no one playing against them. I thought it was an interesting response. One of Clough Snr's quotes to his players was "leave the ref alone cos he'll make fewer mistakes than you will." Yes and I've always thought the analogy of players and managers making mistakes as well as officials was a reasonable one. To be fair I also see merit in what Clough jnr is saying, the officials do not have any opposition (unless you count the 22 on the pitch all trying to deceive them) |
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Post by bennyboy on Aug 13, 2017 19:27:10 GMT
I've now watched the highlights, agree theirs was ours wasn't offside.
Even the commentary (Ch5) says the same, although Colin Murray (t---) and his sidekick never mention it, or even us apart from Hull look good.
It will even up but the pundits will say it's very hard luck on our opposition when they do mention it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 7:10:33 GMT
Jackson very unfortunate for me, an innocuous 2nd foul. We were the better side at the time and could have been on to win it. The first one was the daft one Mikey. Their lad still had 30 yards to run to even get into our box with all three of Bucko, Kyle and Tom to get past as well and while I know we were looking like rabbits caught in headlights for the first 15 minutes, we'd really settled down nicely, even taking into account losing Warnock so early. There was no need to make that first foul. Not saying we would have won it, it could have gone on to be any score with 11 v 11, they absolutely murdered us going down the right hand side and our only chance of getting anything from that game was to go toe to toe with them attacking wise. I'm not the type to come away from games with criticism but a couple of things.. first of all Jackson, he's a crucial player to us these days, as his cracking finish showed. He CANNOT make two challenges like that in a game, he simply can't. Once he's been daft enough for the first one, he's got to know he can't go to ground as cheaply as he did for the second. Not on. Secondly, Nigel please stop Kyle from being the ball playing centre half, please stop him. if the lad just concentrated on defending he'd be a belter. I don't know whether it's him who's convinced himself he's a decent ball player or whether it's the coaching staff asking him to bring the ball out but it's got to stop. He costs us in vital moments. Sure he'll ping one ball every 20 or so and it'll look like a worldy but it's not worth the other 18 or 19 times when he mis-places a 15 yard ball. Not too many positives really other than the fact for 20 minutes before the sending off, we had them in real trouble. I'd be writing a totally different type of post if we'd have kept 11 on the pitch. Buxton, Mcfadzean and Naylor simply couldn't handle their pace, power and movement, at times they looked lost. Disappointed with all of the midfield 3 but really disappointed with Matty Lund who simply didn't get going and second half looked as if he couldn't play a 5 yard pass, having said that, perhaps it was down to the fact we'd been chasing shadows from the moment we went down to ten men. What was tough to watch was how we crumbled with 15 to go and couldn't get hold of the ball at all, for the last 15 we looked like schoolboys. One player who did come out of it with a lot of credit is Stephen Bywater who made some really brilliant saves. He'll probably be rewarded with losing his place for the Brum game and that will be incredibly harsh but with a young keeper in on loan and chomping at the bit, a 4-1 away drubbing usually brings a change or two. Not seen or read any of NC's comments yet but I can imagine he was gutted, I can imagine he said, they had too much quality for us, that we need to improve and quickly and I can imagine he said we're absolutely desperate for a natural right footed full back and the obvious extra striker. Disappointing, a touch worrying but as always, I trust that we'll be working really hard this week and I'm confident this group of players will bounce back. |
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 14, 2017 8:51:01 GMT
My worry with 3-5-2 is that the quality and pace of many forwards in this league, we struggle to cope with and when we attack, and the quality is not their in the final third, The counter attack is quick and decisive, with only 3 at the back. The gulf in class shows ,Buxton got it right when he said the last 20 minutes was total disarray, decisions by the ref always going to favour the home side ,Hull as facts have shown got allowed a 2 goal start, one allowed one not allowed. The sending off ruined the game, and again played into the home clubs hands, Very little Attention by the media,
Not saying Hull weren't the best team ,and deserved to win, just saying we will never know.
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