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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 21:54:39 GMT
How quickly people forget that we are top of the table on points! Unbelievable! We have a bad cup game, with two regulars suspended, a new keeper in who hasn't played in ages, a new CB in for his first start, a player subbed in who is just coming back from injury, a formation (4-4-2) that so many have been calling for...... Yet some just take the opportunity to have a go at certain players who have helped get us where we are, and forget that it was you calling for 2 strikers.  ? Shame. Jimmy didn't play his strongest side because he couldn't, he gave some players a game because they haven't been playing, he tried a new formation that fans have been screaming for (that didn't work) and all most of you have is criticisms? Shame! Too many people who rarely post when things are going well suddenly pop up to have a go when things go wrong?? Shame. That's the English/Burton way I guess....Shame. |
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Post by NobodyGood on Nov 8, 2015 0:23:56 GMT
I just hope the loss doesn't effect our form in the league.
If we win our next game and start off again it's all good.
Do we have a horrific run of fixtures soon?
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Post by johnno on Nov 8, 2015 7:28:54 GMT
I don't think anyone's forgetting our amazing league position in all this, all the comments are based purely on yesterdays performance which was fine for thirty minutes and then absolutely woeful for the rest of the game.
Peterborough looked as though they wanted the win more than we did and having seen both the league match and this one, it is obvious they've been "Westleyed."
Love him or hate him (I err to the latter by the way) he organises average sides in the best way possible and they will always get a few results along the way but you won't win any friends for the obvious gamesmanship which, yet again he got away with yesterday.
I think his first drinks break/team talk came on about 20 minutes and I knew then that it was only a matter of time before we were doomed by our own ineptitude in front of goal, as we failed to score when we were on top.
The only thing that suprised me was that having gone in 1-0 up, they actually came at us hard at the start of the second half. I fully expected them to sit on the lead and employ the other Westley bred tactic of delaying every free kick, throw in, goal kick etc. and time wasting by questioning every refereeing decision. That didn't actually manifest itself until we were dead and buried at 2-0.
I thought the defence was appalling second half and particularly Mousinho, who got caught trying to be Mr Cool at the back, when sometimes a simple hoof into touch is the best policy.
The forward line created good chances early in the game but simply failed to capitalise and unfortunately the second goal went in just as it appeared we were starting to hurt them a bit?
How the referee didn't give a penalty for the clear hand ball at 2-0, I don't know but even if he had, who knows if we would have gone on to get an equaliser?
Overall there were some lethargic performances from our lads and the team that wanted it most, won on the day, so it's a case of getting everyone fit and fully motivated for a fortnight's time and hopefully apart from Kelvin Maynard and probably Zeli Ishmael, we should have a full squad for Jimmy to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 8:46:23 GMT
Tend to agree johnno, I post when things are going well or bad, we have done brilliantly this season, however all season we have lacked goals, this puts pressure on the defensive side of the game, our limitations both performance wise and squad wise were exposed yesterday. We do have the bonus of two of our better players hopefully featuring in the 2nd half of the season, namely Charles and Ismail though. I've attended for more seasons than I care to remember and we have a very decent squad but I am not afraid to say how I see it, upfront Beavon is excellent, I havn't seen enough of Joachim and Thiele is no where near good enough. I've seen all his performances bar one, he has missed a few sitters in those games and he'll never get the top off the sauce bottle ! He works hard and makes some useful runs but is not a finisher and his record prior to arriving here would back that up. I'm not singling him out as such but he is definitely the weak link in the team.
I am one of Jimmy's biggest fans but can't see what he sees in the German for the life of me and neither can any other fan that I know.
I have faith in the management duo to address this situation though in the transfer window and that we will continue to do well.
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Post by swaddy Dave on Nov 8, 2015 9:38:56 GMT
Its amazing that even with our lack of goals we are right up there in the league, we do need goal getters and I am becoming more convinced that Beavon apart, we don't have them in our current squad, if we could get a creative midfielder (someone like Taylor no 7, or Sawyers at Walsall) in the team and a goal scorer (not easy I know) our possibilities would be almost frightening, defence wise we are usually solid, today, second half in particular was a bad day at the office but if we had got someone to put away the 1st half chances it could have been different. Westley did us again and you have to give him credit for that (however much it hurts).
I am not despondent about losing yesterday, all in all we are doing far better this season than we could have expected, but we will need a couple more quality players in if we are to maintain the progress.
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Post by porky on Nov 8, 2015 10:57:45 GMT
Tend to agree johnno, I post when things are going well or bad, we have done brilliantly this season, however all season we have lacked goals, this puts pressure on the defensive side of the game, our limitations both performance wise and squad wise were exposed yesterday. We do have the bonus of two of our better players hopefully featuring in the 2nd half of the season, namely Charles and Ismail though. I've attended for more seasons than I care to remember and we have a very decent squad but I am not afraid to say how I see it, upfront Beavon is excellent, I havn't seen enough of Joachim and Thiele is no where near good enough. I've seen all his performances bar one, he has missed a few sitters in those games and he'll never get the top off the sauce bottle ! He works hard and makes some useful runs but is not a finisher and his record prior to arriving here would back that up. I'm not singling him out as such but he is definitely the weak link in the team. I am one of Jimmy's biggest fans but can't see what he sees in the German for the life of me and neither can any other fan that I know. I have faith in the management duo to address this situation though in the transfer window and that we will continue to do well. I echo every word . Excellent post. I too have attended for many seasons and I have to say that you're right in recognising that we were exposed yesterday. As for peacocks accusations ref forgetting our league position - completely unfounded and unnecessary. Other than the post on this thread I usually skip over them because he always talks utter bollox. |
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Post by A38 on Nov 8, 2015 11:29:02 GMT
Porky that's the most skillful autocensor bypass I've seen so far on here, it was the message board equivalent of that Salford lad's Cruyff turn to escape three players on Friday night!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 13:43:50 GMT
As has been said before people are allowed opinions on a public forum. I don't expect anyone to agree with mine as I also don't agree with a lot of others. My main point was 'prior' to my post above there were several posts from people who rarely post on here who seem to have come on to have a go at a player, the team, the managers decisions on players. Surely they can be positive when things are good, or perhaps even when they aren't good try and find an excuse rather than finger pointing? But porks your posts in particular often seen to be one sided, complaining about something. Have a look at your posts since august.
We are tott for some reasons, and one of them is the style Jimmy has the boys playing and as such we have conceded the least goals in the League. Jimmy acknowledges we need more goals and he seems positive that they will come. I do hope he gets Toney in on loan as that would add a spark up front and push the competition for playing time up front.
But if people feel the need to single out 'culprits' for the loss they should have noticed that Phil wasn't his usual self yesterday. He kept Washington onside for the first goal after Moose had stepped up, he had a poor header back to help with their 2nd goal and could have done better positionally on the third. But the whole team in general were not their usual selves and as I mentioned in my post above there were many forced changes to the side and positions that affected the balance. Apparently, as someone posted on FB, in his post game interview Jimmy cited 'too many changes' as perhaps being the cause of the substandard performance.
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Post by porky on Nov 8, 2015 16:14:38 GMT
Yawn You're slowly buying me peacock-that's the second post of yours I've read since June.  Thanks for emphasising the point I made in my last post. Porks |
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Post by NobodyGood on Nov 8, 2015 19:06:22 GMT
Anyone know the attendance? On the highlights it looked abysmal (c. 2k?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 19:47:23 GMT
Anyone know the attendance? On the highlights it looked abysmal (c. 2k?) 2517 apparently, sounds about right as they brought quite a few. |
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Post by NobodyGood on Nov 8, 2015 19:49:55 GMT
Ah ok. It's a long time until our next game at the Pirelli. Unless Millwall gets rearranged before Bury...
Tough games in Bury and Wigan away coming up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 19:56:29 GMT
Yawn You're slowly buying me peacock-that's the second post of yours I've read since June. Thanks for emphasising the point I made in my last post. Porks Well that's two posts in this thread and you made a snide comment yesterday on my "Jimmys first game as managed in the F A Cup" thread so that would be at least three? Did you fail your maths?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 20:11:38 GMT
Ah ok. It's a long time until our next game at the Pirelli. Unless Millwall gets rearranged before Bury... Tough games in Bury and Wigan away coming up Dec.1st would be the earliest possible date I think: Nov.14 postponed Nov.17 intl break Nov.21 Bury Nov.24 Wigan Nov.28 Colchester Dec.1 .??. Dec.5 FA cup, Millwall are still in Dec.8 .??. Dec.12 Gills Dec.15 . |
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Post by NobodyGood on Nov 8, 2015 20:15:44 GMT
I'll make my return to the pirelli for Colchester then!
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Post by dave on Nov 8, 2015 20:53:49 GMT
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Post by uttoxbrewer on Nov 8, 2015 20:58:15 GMT
As has been said before people are allowed opinions on a public forum. I don't expect anyone to agree with mine as I also don't agree with a lot of others. My main point was 'prior' to my post above there were several posts from people who rarely post on here who seem to have come on to have a go at a player, the team, the managers decisions on players. Surely they can be positive when things are good, or perhaps even when they aren't good try and find an excuse rather than finger pointing? But porks your posts in particular often seen to be one sided, complaining about something. Have a look at your posts since august. We are tott for some reasons, and one of them is the style Jimmy has the boys playing and as such we have conceded the least goals in the League. Jimmy acknowledges we need more goals and he seems positive that they will come. I do hope he gets Toney in on loan as that would add a spark up front and push the competition for playing time up front. But if people feel the need to single out 'culprits' for the loss they should have noticed that Phil wasn't his usual self yesterday. He kept Washington onside for the first goal after Moose had stepped up, he had a poor header back to help with their 2nd goal and could have done better positionally on the third. But the whole team in general were not their usual selves and as I mentioned in my post above there were many forced changes to the side and positions that affected the balance. Apparently, as someone posted on FB, in his post game interview Jimmy cited 'too many changes' as perhaps being the cause of the substandard performance. My post was the one immediately prior to yours at the top of this page and I rarely post on here nowadays. Can you show me where in my post (it's at the bottom of page 2) I had a go at a player, the team and the managers decisions on players or where I'm "finger pointing"? Also, rather than get another player (Toney) in on loan now (which will stretch the wage bill even more) would you not prefer the players already here to have a run in the side (i.e Joachim) to see what he can do first. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 21:25:10 GMT
I'm not singling out Thiele for the defeat yesterday by the way if anyone is wondering, I'm stating he isn't good enough full stop. No efforts on goal yesterday and I can't recall more than 1 or 2 headers he won all match. He works his socks off but in my opinion is not a league one striker, Beavon is, Joachim I can't judge because I havn't seen enough of him. I think most would agree with Utchbrewer that we would like to see more of Joachim as he appears to have scored goals at a much higher level than league one.
We all know we aren't finishing off enough of our chances over the course of the season so far and I've seen many strikers come and go over the years and feel entitled to comment on how I see it.
I will reiterate that we have done magnificently this season and have a great platform to build on in the league and a very decent squad, and stating the obvious we all know we need a goal scorer.
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Post by NobodyGood on Nov 8, 2015 21:56:25 GMT
If we could take our chances we'd be absolutely lethal... Perhaps too lethal.
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Post by NobodyGood on Nov 8, 2015 22:17:17 GMT
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? Shame.
