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Post by bobgauden on Jul 19, 2024 17:27:13 GMT
Could see Tom was on his way out. I always thought we struggled without him in the Side and he’s a good player definitely one I’d have kept. Good look to him and Lincoln are a decent footballing side! This is one example where I don’t think everything is going to run as smoothly as some think! What a mistaker to maker!! 👍🏻 The jury’s still out Craig. From Colston’s article Mark Robinson wants to sign 5 or so experienced League 1 players, so why ship out what bit of League 1 nous you have. Because he’s not suited to our system and we can maybe get a better standard of experience? A wage off the books plus the transfer fee involved.
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Post by craig1 on Jul 19, 2024 17:47:30 GMT
Could see Tom was on his way out. I always thought we struggled without him in the Side and he’s a good player definitely one I’d have kept. Good look to him and Lincoln are a decent footballing side! This is one example where I don’t think everything is going to run as smoothly as some think! What a mistaker to maker!! 👍🏻 The jury’s still out Craig. From Colston’s article Mark Robinson wants to sign 5 or so experienced League 1 players, so why ship out what bit of League 1 nous you have. Tom definitely has the experience and being 24 still has a long career ahead. He’s possibly the closest to Brayford in his play and sometime it’s best going with quality of quantity…. But yes it’s a fresh start and hopefully the new players pull together!
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Post by cbh1 on Jul 19, 2024 18:14:59 GMT
Could see Tom was on his way out. I always thought we struggled without him in the Side and he’s a good player definitely one I’d have kept. Good look to him and Lincoln are a decent footballing side! This is one example where I don’t think everything is going to run as smoothly as some think! What a mistaker to maker!! 👍🏻 The jury’s still out Craig. From Colston’s article Mark Robinson wants to sign 5 or so experienced League 1 players, so why ship out what bit of League 1 nous you have. Colston’s article, as far as I can see, makes no mention of five experienced League One players. It mentions one or two more experienced players, players to ensure we have two for every position including a second goalkeeper with a couple of potentially exciting additions in the mix too. I would be surprised if the backup keeper would be an experienced head, particularly if Max is likely to be number one again this season. If we work on the basis that only Max, Sweens and Gilly plus potentially Delap are likely to be involved from last season, plus sixteen signings so far, that is twenty, plus the academy graduates so a few more to fill out the squad are still needed.
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Post by reddersrocket on Jul 19, 2024 20:18:41 GMT
For me I think it's the right thing for both parties.
We're looking to the future and suspect they think Tom is not exactly what they want in a right back. We've also got a fee for someone out of contract next summer, so helps recoup some of our summer outlay.
They are looking at him as a right of a back 3 which probably suits him better. I was never in the camp of him being great offensively at wing back but decent enough at right back. That said his form last season was sketchy, along with many others and with mitigation.
So all in all I think the best decision all round. And yes, won't miss the incessant long throw producing naff all.
Still a few more to come, hopefully a few eye catchers.
As with others, god knows what this season is going to be like after starting from scratch, but surely we all think it will at least be more entertaining than the last few years. Younger, fitter, desire to progress not just pick up their wages. It could be exciting, we've got to stay with them if we struggle at the start. It may take time.
I'm looking forward to 27th!
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Post by everard on Jul 19, 2024 20:37:07 GMT
For me I think it's the right thing for both parties. We're looking to the future and suspect they think Tom is not exactly what they want in a right back. We've also got a fee for someone out of contract next summer, so helps recoup some of our summer outlay. They are looking at him as a right of a back 3 which probably suits him better. I was never in the camp of him being great offensively at wing back but decent enough at right back. That said his form last season was sketchy, along with many others and with mitigation. So all in all I think the best decision all round. And yes, won't miss the incessant long throw producing naff all. Still a few more to come, hopefully a few eye catchers. As with others, god knows what this season is going to be like after starting from scratch, but surely we all think it will at least be more entertaining than the last few years. Younger, fitter, desire to progress not just pick up their wages. It could be exciting, we've got to stay with them if we struggle at the start. It may take time. I'm looking forward to 27th! Looking forward to 27th?? You mean next Saturday... Me too... and I'm looking forward to seeing the product of the teasing... "a couple more exciting additions..." ... as you say redders we may need to be patient for a while... It's a tough league this upcoming season.... I don't expect to be in the top half by Christmas... the top six of the bottom half will be an achievement imo...
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Post by colstoncrawford on Jul 19, 2024 22:35:56 GMT
Undisclosed fee according to BBC, so he ain't gone on a free. Interesting. I asked the club and was told they weren't saying.. which may ort may not mean a fee was involved. Neither Burton nor Lincoln websites mentioned whether a fee was involved.
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Post by colstoncrawford on Jul 19, 2024 22:38:39 GMT
By the way, Tom's comments about the Lincoln manager rather suggest he's going to another club where things will be "direct". Which he says suits him.
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Post by DC on Jul 20, 2024 6:42:50 GMT
Undisclosed fee according to BBC, so he ain't gone on a free. Interesting. I asked the club and was told they weren't saying.. which may ort may not mean a fee was involved. Neither Burton nor Lincoln websites mentioned whether a fee was involved. My guess would be a free transfer with maybe a sell on clause included. If clubs pay a fee for someone they tend to want to publicise it, even if it's usually undisclosed.
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Post by mikeyboy on Jul 20, 2024 7:30:10 GMT
The jury’s still out Craig. From Colston’s article Mark Robinson wants to sign 5 or so experienced League 1 players, so why ship out what bit of League 1 nous you have. Colston’s article, as far as I can see, makes no mention of five experienced League One players. It mentions one or two more experienced players, players to ensure we have two for every position including a second goalkeeper with a couple of potentially exciting additions in the mix too. I would be surprised if the backup keeper would be an experienced head, particularly if Max is likely to be number one again this season. If we work on the basis that only Max, Sweens and Gilly plus potentially Delap are likely to be involved from last season, plus sixteen signings so far, that is twenty, plus the academy graduates so a few more to fill out the squad are still needed. Colston’s article says in the quote from Robinson: ‘“We’re a lot closer than we were and we’re just looking to fill a few spaces now. We’re looking for another goalkeeper and we want two players for every position so it’s just a case of looking for those second players in some positions – and also possibly, I believe, a couple who will get people excited.“ So, in my simple mind, if we want another keeper and we “want 2 players for every position’ , with a squad of 16 new signings it would leave 5 more outfield signings. Unless of course we are going to keep some of the 5 who are out of favour.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jul 20, 2024 9:01:30 GMT
I suspect most of those left from last season will end up going.
I agree it's nice to have some L1 experience but over the last few years look at all of the experience we've had in and around the squad, it's counted for nothing. Big names, big money, with lots of games, offering zilch.
Out of all the players left from last season that are 'not in the plans', the only one I might've liked to see stay has already gone in Hamer.
Maybe Moon might be worth keeping, but we have a lot of central defenders now on the books. The rest can go.
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Post by strettonbrewer on Jul 20, 2024 11:11:54 GMT
It seems we have signed Ivan Inzoudone, a left back, from france but loaned him straight out to Kalmar due to work permit regulations.
27 years old on a long contract.
Strange to have heard nothing!
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Post by andrewb77 on Jul 20, 2024 11:38:55 GMT
As player Tom was probably one of best players over the last few seasons. I hope this Robinson knows what he's doing. Not long to wait now.
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Post by Ilson Brewer on Jul 20, 2024 11:58:54 GMT
My observations about Tom were that he is clearly a decent player who was played out of position. He looks more of a natural CB than a full-back; I don’t think he always looked comfortable in that position and he’s not really a winger / wing back. On the right of a back three sounds perfect for him.
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Post by ianmcgibbon on Jul 20, 2024 12:50:33 GMT
As player Tom was probably one of best players over the last few seasons. I hope this Robinson knows what he's doing. Not long to wait now. Nothing to do with Robinson.
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Post by luke on Jul 20, 2024 18:13:07 GMT
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jul 20, 2024 19:01:33 GMT
I'm still hopeful something will happen regarding him. He's had an up/down career thus far injury wise, but as far as talent and ability he'd be up there with the best signings in the clubs history. Technically on the ball, he's brilliant, he's strong, fairly quick over a few yards and very direct. He'd be a strikers dream at our level.
Never judge a player solely on footage of course, but after seeing a very lengthy montage of him playing, and not just his assists/goals, he would be a crowd pleaser.
He will have been on huge money at Lyon, but at his current club RWD Molenbeek, a fairly small Belgian club, relegated last season, I doubt he's on money that would be an issue for us, even more so under new ownership.
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Post by luke on Jul 20, 2024 19:36:17 GMT
They were at RC Lens together back in 2015 looking at their transfermarkt pages, hopefully they are coming as a pair, would be an insane signing
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jul 21, 2024 8:35:54 GMT
I still wonder exactly is going on with Mark Helm. Is he officially gone? Is he still deciding on what his answer is?
The last we know is that he was offered a deal but is yet to sign it. Obviously being under 24 it means we'd get compensation if he signs somewhere else.
I think if he does re-sign he'd be significantly down the pecking order now.
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Post by mikeyboy on Jul 21, 2024 8:56:18 GMT
I still wonder exactly is going on with Mark Helm. Is he officially gone? Is he still deciding on what his answer is? The last we know is that he was offered a deal but is yet to sign it. Obviously being under 24 it means we'd get compensation if he signs somewhere else. I think if he does re-sign he'd be significantly down the pecking order now. I guess on trial somewhere? I noticed Mansfield won 6-0 at Hucknall Town yesterday with 2 trialists. It’s what happens at this stage of pre season.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Jul 21, 2024 9:00:07 GMT
I still wonder exactly is going on with Mark Helm. Is he officially gone? Is he still deciding on what his answer is? The last we know is that he was offered a deal but is yet to sign it. Obviously being under 24 it means we'd get compensation if he signs somewhere else. I think if he does re-sign he'd be significantly down the pecking order now. I guess on trial somewhere? I noticed Mansfield won 6-0 at Hucknall Town yesterday with 2 trialists. It’s what happens at this stage of pre season. Well it's the formalities of life that if we were to put money on him turning up somewhere else it would be there 😅 I guess we'll see soon enough where he goes, or stays...
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