FA Cup 2nd Round Draw (EDIT: Port Vale home)

[fergo]

Dec 4, 2021 18:05:28 GMT fergo said:

Scrappy game at times. We were 1 nil up and comfortable then threw it away. Set up wrong IMO, eg Hemmings on the left wing? The 2 central midfielders are good players but too similar in style, let's just pass it back or sideways. Or we hoof it up to Jebbison. We looked OK for a short spell when we scored and unlucky not to score another.
This is the FA Cup, we had a glorious chance to be in the hat for a potential big draw in round 3
Port Vale fan in block 7 of main stand thinks he can celebrate and wave a big flat. If we did that at any other league ground you would get lynched by fans and stewards alike. He was eventually thrown out after a complaint to the stewards.
Also what's wrong with Danny Rowe?

flag not flat, bloody predictive text lol

[Deleted]

Men against boys
Terrible tactics
Poor substitutions
Out fought by a team lacking any forwards and not that good
There is no leader in the team and the squad is not good enough
Naive on the pitch in the extreme and physically not strong enough
How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not good enough by a long shot
Attendence was shocking, Burtonians are not interested in Burton Albion if thats the best they can do at 12 notes a ticket.
Vale fans made it like a home match for themselves
Second best in everything today.
The last 2 home victories were against very poor sides
Hope we manage to stay up this season

[fergo]

Dec 4, 2021 18:06:44 GMT Fred Andrews said:

Dec 4, 2021 17:53:40 GMT fergo said:

disappointing turn out from Burton fans, very poor. Excuses that's it near Xmas etc dont wash wish me. Ben even reduced the prices. Come on, its the FA cup

I'd agree 99% of the time but let's be realistic

Towards the end of the Clough reign, fans were unsettled, then under Buxton the football was utter garbage, when Jimmy came in the football was very one dimensional, route one, but worked and got us out of a pickle.

This season the football most of the time has been dreadful. As I've said many times I still like Jimmy but I have no idea what he is trying to do with us. He keeps saying that he has a plan but what is it? We are a long ball side that doesn't have long ball players.

I think a lot of our fans, myself included are just bored of Burton Albion in the last few years, attractive & attacking football isn't part of our ethic anymore. We are boring & negative to watch, simple as that.

I agree Fred, football is rubbish. Dont get me wrong I find it hard to slag Jimmy off as he did keep us up against all the odds and this football is probably good enough to keep us in L1, but fans want entertainment.

[imonlyhereforthebeer]

I thought not getting a second goal to kill the game in the first half would have repercussions. Vale were tenacious and showed great character, they nullified Johnny Smith in the second half, got their substitutions spot on. Jebbison I think should have come off 10/15 minutes earlier than he did, he was largely ineffective and subject to some old school gamesmanship to keep him quiet. A classic case of not being able to manage the game or counter Vale’s second half moves. Second half the Brewers were out fought and out thought.

[craig1]

Definitely hurting after that!
Totally outplayed them 1st half and even 2nd half they didn’t really show much and I thought they definitely looked a league below us.
What they did do was take their chances which with all the possession and good positions in and around their box we had, we should have definitely got more shots off and scored more goals.
We can’t seem to take the easier chances and always look for a worldy into the top corner! (Jebbison)
Or a simple 1-2 and get yourself into the area rather than trying to beat 4 players?
Get your head over the ball and just hit the blinking target!
Which is what they did with the very few chances they created.
Not enough urgency for me in terms of getting another goal and finish them off!
How the heck did we let them back into the game and get the winner also?

[porky]

Dec 4, 2021 16:41:58 GMT Fred Andrews said:

An utter shambles.

1-0 up comfortable. Jimmy decides to park the bus, and now deservedly 2-1 down. Why Jimmy, WHY??

He said: “Winning games is hard, it’s not easy. Having a habit of winning games is even harder. But if you want to achieve something you need to be at it every game. Each one is different, and I don’t think we did enough to win the game and good teams even if they aren’t at their best make sure 1-0 is enough.”

From the man himself.

[everard]

Dec 4, 2021 18:42:40 GMT porky said:

Dec 4, 2021 16:41:58 GMT Fred Andrews said:

An utter shambles.

1-0 up comfortable. Jimmy decides to park the bus, and now deservedly 2-1 down. Why Jimmy, WHY??

He said: “Winning games is hard, it’s not easy. Having a habit of winning games is even harder. But if you want to achieve something you need to be at it every game. Each one is different, and I don’t think we did enough to win the game and good teams even if they aren’t at their best make sure 1-0 is enough.”

From the man himself.

He also said we were 60%......isn't it his job to ensure we play every game above that level...?? Somewhere nearer 100% perhaps?

[Fred Andrews]

The fact Akins never got on the pitch in a hustle and bustle local(ish) Derby speaks volumes.

He might not be the player he was but seriously? If you are looking for a goal or somebody to flick something on, surely you'd chuck him on for 10 minutes?

[porky]

Dec 4, 2021 19:52:08 GMT Fred Andrews said:

The fact Akins never got on the pitch in a hustle and bustle local(ish) Derby speaks volumes.

He might not be the player he was but seriously? If you are looking for a goal or somebody to flick something on, surely you'd chuck him on for 10 minutes?

Entirely agree. Lucas has done nothing wrong in my eyes and his replacement/s haven't done anything better than he can. . Odd .

[everard]

If he was going to make any change today with Deji finishing his time, I thought he might bring him in for CBJ not Lucas.
Lucas still has some pace, energy awkwardness, can tackle as a fullback can cross as a winger, interact with the striking pair and shoot.... CBJ can head the ball and find a yellow shirt (usually) with a long pass and a short one but he has no pace and is no wing back...imo
That said I don't think he was at fault for the goals against...
I just think Lucas would've given em more to think about and maybe/surely would've created summat more than the rest of em did without him...

[annable]

Massively, massively disappointing result and performance today in a game we should have been capable of winning, and lead in for large parts, but ultimately it was the substitutions made by the managers that swung the game. Yes, they were limited in ability but were set up solidly and every man appeared to know his job. All their changes had a positive impact with one of them scoring twice to win it.

Our changes were baffling in the extreme. Mancienne for O'Connor was a nothing change, like for like, where O'Connor had done nothing wrong and was up to the pace of the game. Mancienne comes on at 1-0 up and very quickly we are 2-1 down and with the best will in the world he isn't going to get us back into a game. Chapman and Amari-Holloway on for Taylor and Jebbison again has no effect. Anybody know where Chapman was meant to be playing? If so then please let him know for future reference.

Having gone 2-1 down we looked shell shocked and then proceeded to play our worst football of the game at a time when calm heads were needed to work a chance to try and equalise. Instead we resorted to hoofball which was meat and drink to L2 defenders.

Poor, poor afternoon and a depressing end in a game that needed winning so we could get the opportunity of a money spinning tie ahead of the January window. Largely self inflicted in my opinion but fair play to them for sticking in a game and turning it round.

Concentrate on the league as the saying goes but December's fixtures look horrendous and after today I'd be surprised if we got any more than a couple of points at best. Wake me up in 2022!!

[sinfinbovril]

Well the magic of the cup. The Mighty Burton Albion get beaten by little old Port Vale. I hope their fans enjoyed their big day out at the big boys' ground.

I saw the game a little differently to be honest. I thought we played really well in the first half and for me it was an extension of the improvements (careful use of that word...) in the last two games. Loved our goal - a cross and header - a proper goal, jumpers for goalposts etc.

The whole game for me hinged on the substitutions. Why take Tom O'Connor off? FFS. In the time it took Mancienne to get into the game (well, he never did, really) we were 2-1 down. Who scored their goals? Their substitute. We lost because of our bad substitition and their good one.

Never mind the incessant ribbing of Jebbison. How Smith escaped a yellow card for that push into the hoardings - disgraceful.
Never mind the goalie cheating to try & get one of ours sent off near the end. It's the first time I've seen a dive from someone who was already on the floor.
Never mind possibly the most one-sided referee I've seen in 20 years of watching the Brewers. We were playing against 12 men.

But they're all excuses / rants. For me, it was taking O'Connor off (central midfield, Jimmy. Really??!!) that blew it. I like our new starting 11. We need a starting 12 or 13 now. I thought Deji had a good game. I like what I've seen of him so far.

Onwards and upwards. I think things are going in the right direction. One mistake cost us today. Dammit!

PS Well done to our incredibly intelligent fans for singing "We forgot that you were here" etc at some of the loudest fans they'll ever hear. I hate playing Port Vale but their fans make a great noise.

[mick]

Agree Sinfinbovril. A tight game which could have gone either way, thought a draw a fair result. We’ve been in their position many times and it hurts when the boots on the other foot. A game of small margins that did not fall for us. Agree re the ref, fell for pretty much everything. Some times that’s the way it goes, here’s hoping for a positive response Tuesday.

[insideleft]

A miserable afternoon at the Pirelli. Not much of a game, very little football and not the result we wanted.

It was a pretty even first half, we got a well worked goal and you felt we’d hang on to it. I couldn’t understand the substitution of O’Connor with Mancienne on the hour. We might not have been playing well but we were solid enough to see out the game. It didn’t work and Vale came at us and got the two goals.

Looking for positives we kept a more or less unchanged side, we’ve all wanted continuity. However dropping Lucas and bringing in Deji changed the side considerably in formation. That didn’t make sense. Cup games you have to set up to win. Is it the best side? I don’t think so. Is that the best formation. Again I don’t think so.

When I go to games I have no great expectations other than enjoying the afternoon but I am looking to see if JFH, given time, is developing a young footballing side that might take us forward. 20 plus games into the season it’s certainly very disappointing in terms of the style of football but we are mid table.

[staffbrewer1950]

Shocking result and some of my family are vale fans too, which doesn't help. Can't understand why the manager changed a winning team, Oshilaja had an absolute nightmare of a game and one or two of the others weren't much better. Be another changed tomorrow i reckon. Another disappointment was the home support, it was awful,1900 for such a big game and £12 to get in too, what do the burton public want, does make you wonder!

[Fred Andrews]

Just watched the draw. We didn't miss out on anything luckily. Obviously I'd much prefer us to be still in it but Brentford at home...meh. Wouldn't have been a money spinner.

Shrewsbury, Chesterfield & Morecambe will all likely make £1m quid each out of their respective draws though!

[everard]

£££££ for Swindon and Cambridge too
I expect Cloughie will enjoy another go at Middlesborough and a chance to renew acquaintance with Chris Wilder..

[broomo]

Dec 6, 2021 19:26:25 GMT Fred Andrews said:

Just watched the draw. We didn't miss out on anything luckily. Obviously I'd much prefer us to be still in it but Brentford at home...meh. Wouldn't have been a money spinner.

Shrewsbury, Chesterfield & Morecambe will all likely make £1m quid each out of their respective draws though!

And that is part of the problem with the Burton fan base.

In 15 years they've gone from being ecstatic at drawing Peterborough away to thinking ties with Aston Villa, Burnley, Middlesboro and even premier league Brentford are "meh".

It happened in the Championship as well. To get 2k for Reading at home is and must always be heartbreaking for Ben and all involved.

Has the fanbase got a bit too big for their boots?

[annable]

Dec 7, 2021 5:56:48 GMT broomo said:

Dec 6, 2021 19:26:25 GMT Fred Andrews said:

Just watched the draw. We didn't miss out on anything luckily. Obviously I'd much prefer us to be still in it but Brentford at home...meh. Wouldn't have been a money spinner.

Shrewsbury, Chesterfield & Morecambe will all likely make £1m quid each out of their respective draws though!

And that is part of the problem with the Burton fan base.

In 15 years they've gone from being ecstatic at drawing Peterborough away to thinking ties with Aston Villa, Burnley, Middlesboro and even premier league Brentford are "meh".

It happened in the Championship as well. To get 2k for Reading at home is and must always be heartbreaking for Ben and all involved.

Has the fanbase got a bit too big for their boots?

The truth is that the hardcore fan base has never really gone past the 2k mark and has only been boosted the the casual, floating type football who pick and chose their games based on things like current form, opposition, weather, better to things to do etc. The hardcore fan base hasn't got "too big for their boots" and the majority are there come what may but there is no doubt that the casual, floating fan see games against the teams you mentioned as less as a novelty so may or may not bothered for the reasons already mentioned.

Interestingly I was thinking about one of my first games watching the Brewers which was a 1st round FA Cup games against Bury in either 1979 or 1980(can't remember which year exactly) when we were in the Northern Prem and they were in the old division three I think. The attendance was 4,502(sad that I always remember the exact figure!) and there was probably 4k of that crowd following the Brewers. Fast forward to Saturday and there were half that amount in attendance supporting us against Port Vale. OK, 40 odd years between the two games but an example of the novelty factor wearing off.

Not sure what the answer is, it's been debated long and hard on here, but being within close proximity to a number of bigger clubs doesn't help. Going to take a long time to change.