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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 15:32:00 GMT
In the old days we used to have a whimsical thread title of "Clough to..."
I fear a bit about this one.
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Post by otep on Oct 8, 2019 17:37:42 GMT
Daniel Stendel - 2/1 Gareth Ainsworth - 9/2 Phil Parkinson - 5/1 Roy Keane - 5/1 Gary Rowett - 8/1 Kevin Phillips - 10/1 Mick Harford - 10/1 Neil Harris - 14/1
Other contenders: Nigel Adkins, Owen Coyle, Sam Allardyce, Joey Barton, Chris Hughton, Steve McClaren, Aitor Karanka, David Moyes, Tony Pulis. Surprised to see Alan Curbishley not mentioned as he has been linked with every vacancy for the last 55 years (despite not taking one of them).
Nigel Clough is 25/1.
I think it will be Moyes, Pulis, Hughton, Rowett or Karanka.
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Post by broomo on Oct 8, 2019 18:45:18 GMT
In four League One seasons Nigel and his staff have finished 7th, 5th, 2nd and 9th and have got to 3 major cup semi finals. When you add to that they have made a (huge( profit on their transfers AND have developed around a dozen players for Premier League and Championship clubs, then Nigel SHOULD come under consideration but I don't think he will.
I think Sunderland need someone to go un and get immediate results, they really can't afford another season in League One after this one.
We're safe from an approach this time around. I don't think his next job will be at such a massive club and even though it would be a great short to mid term move for them all financially, I fancy they can see how close WE are to being a real contender so I think he'll hang around with us.
No surprise Ross has gone, just a bit of a shock it took this long for them to realise he wasn't quite good enough for where they need to go.
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Post by otep on Oct 8, 2019 19:17:12 GMT
I think this is a dream job for someone.
- It should be relatively easy to steer the club with that squad out of League 1. - Promotion in front of an average 31,000 fans (at present) and they would probably fill the ground if they were top and on a winning run. - Money would be made available if they are doing well in January 2020 - just to see them over the line. - The Manager would be hero worshipped for the achievement. A statue would appear outside the ground. - The Manager would get a promotion on their CV and would be spoken of for other jobs. - The pay will be pretty eye watering.
They are 6th and 4 points off second place with a game in hand on Wycombe (in second).
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Post by broomo on Oct 8, 2019 19:40:40 GMT
I'd be more worried Barnsley might make an approach.
Good club, fairly local, good tradition. I think that's the type of club that would see sense in talking to him.
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Post by insideleft on Oct 8, 2019 19:42:03 GMT
Daniel Stendel - 2/1 Gareth Ainsworth - 9/2 Phil Parkinson - 5/1 Roy Keane - 5/1 Gary Rowett - 8/1 Kevin Phillips - 10/1 Mick Harford - 10/1 Neil Harris - 14/1 Other contenders: Nigel Adkins, Owen Coyle, Sam Allardyce, Joey Barton, Chris Hughton, Steve McClaren, Aitor Karanka, David Moyes, Tony Pulis. Surprised to see Alan Curbishley not mentioned as he has been linked with every vacancy for the last 55 years (despite not taking one of them). Nigel Clough is 25/1. I think it will be Moyes, Pulis, Hughton, Rowett or Karanka. Well English football is in a sorry state looking at that lot. I really would not want one of them at our cub if NC ever left, not one.
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Post by bennyboy on Oct 8, 2019 19:55:57 GMT
Phil Parkinson is about the only one I'd welcome and maybe the only one we could afford too.🙄
Still it's immaterial, I think Sunderland is a step too far for our Nigel, or should I say a drive too far.
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Post by mikeyboy on Oct 8, 2019 19:56:57 GMT
Daniel Stendel - 2/1 Gareth Ainsworth - 9/2 Phil Parkinson - 5/1 Roy Keane - 5/1 Gary Rowett - 8/1 Kevin Phillips - 10/1 Mick Harford - 10/1 Neil Harris - 14/1 Other contenders: Nigel Adkins, Owen Coyle, Sam Allardyce, Joey Barton, Chris Hughton, Steve McClaren, Aitor Karanka, David Moyes, Tony Pulis. Surprised to see Alan Curbishley not mentioned as he has been linked with every vacancy for the last 55 years (despite not taking one of them). Nigel Clough is 25/1. I think it will be Moyes, Pulis, Hughton, Rowett or Karanka. And for me Nigel has a better pedigree than all of them.
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Post by NobodyGood on Oct 8, 2019 20:07:10 GMT
Poisoned chalice.
Have a watch of the documentary on them, its a good watch
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Post by cbh1 on Oct 8, 2019 20:49:36 GMT
I'd be more worried Barnsley might make an approach. Good club, fairly local, good tradition. I think that's the type of club that would see sense in talking to him. I'm not worried about Barnsley. They want a head coach to go along with their spreadsheet 'moneyball' approach to the game. Nigel would get little say on what players to bring in as the board would decide that on their laptops and he would be left with the job of coaching them. Stendel has left, from what I can tell, because he hasn't had the support to build a side that could genuinely compete in the Championship this season. Their terse, two line statement confirming his departure (curiously omitting any mention of 'thanks for all you did last season to get us promoted') suggests that whatever tradition they have, the new owners are rapidly making themselves unpopular.
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Post by britty on Oct 8, 2019 21:20:47 GMT
Daniel Stendel - 2/1 Gareth Ainsworth - 9/2 Phil Parkinson - 5/1 Roy Keane - 5/1 Gary Rowett - 8/1 Kevin Phillips - 10/1 Mick Harford - 10/1 Neil Harris - 14/1 Other contenders: Nigel Adkins, Owen Coyle, Sam Allardyce, Joey Barton, Chris Hughton, Steve McClaren, Aitor Karanka, David Moyes, Tony Pulis. Surprised to see Alan Curbishley not mentioned as he has been linked with every vacancy for the last 55 years (despite not taking one of them). Nigel Clough is 25/1. I think it will be Moyes, Pulis, Hughton, Rowett or Karanka. And for me Nigel has a better pedigree than all of them. Really? Some of them fair enough but you can't honestly believe that Nigel has a better pedigree than Hughton? Has done well at big clubs and was successful with Brighton in the premier League.
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Post by mikeyboy on Oct 9, 2019 1:56:34 GMT
I meant the people in the list of odds. But I don’t see Hughton as any better than Nigel. Not many could perform the miracles he does year on year at Burton or would even be prepared to try.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 6:22:51 GMT
Stretton Social Club has better Pedigree.
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Post by brewersinramland on Oct 9, 2019 8:29:53 GMT
I'd be more worried Barnsley might make an approach. Good club, fairly local, good tradition. I think that's the type of club that would see sense in talking to him. Thankfully I don't think his approach would fit well with their spreadsheet recruitment method.
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Post by trevor1946 on Oct 9, 2019 9:27:00 GMT
Sunderland= Clough is history for Brian, not our Nigel, once more the merry go round starts and fans relish who could be set up to fail at their club. Sunderland 4 points of top 2=after 11 games ,this was a club that needed to be took back to basics,and no way had a divine right to any promotion last year. 18 months has the present manager failed, to early for me ,Even in talks about a take over, perhaps the club is still in turmoil,best solution sack the manager. No job satisfaction,just a pay day. Clough has proved money is not his motivation. Moving onto Barnsley another club pulling the plug early,
Sunderland you think of Brian Clough, not Nigel,a big club in turmoil,with trigger happy owner, who is looking to sell. 18 months to turn round a club, n been struggling for years not long. its happy time again looking at names on the merry go round. Nigel Clough has proved building his bank balance is not his priority. Barnsley this guy just got them promoted,after just 11 games,trigger happy or what .Fans seem more understanding than the owners, which is unusual. Nigel Clough has been let down by 2 clubs, when owners think they can interfere with playing staff and transfers. History has shown The wrong man left the club. Sam Rush left Derby under a cloud, And McCabe prised out of Sheff Utd. Two men Clough kept out of team affairs.And dummy's were spat out. And the c_E_O have the final say. At Burton Albion Ben Robinson does his job,and leaves Nigel Clough to do his. If money was motivation Clough would have left Burton Albion in 2001 after learning his trade at the Brewers,Moving onto a league club. Burton Albion is a way of life, pity a few people around the area dont get it .
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Post by trevor1946 on Oct 9, 2019 9:30:03 GMT
Sorry miss the first paragraph
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Post by bennyboy on Oct 9, 2019 18:15:07 GMT
Quote "If money was motivation Clough would have left Burton Albion"
I've thought that all along Trev whilst he's been with the Brewers. Yes he left to try his hand at a bigger club, higher league and found out twice that they don't seem to want to follow the same path he wants to take them on. I don't think for one minute it was the money that lured him away, it was the feeling of can I do this elsewhere and take his backroom staff along for that experience too. Not many managers turn down better paid jobs in the lower leagues but I bet Nigel has a few times.
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Post by insideleft on Oct 9, 2019 18:25:07 GMT
I meant the people in the list of odds. But I don’t see Hughton as any better than Nigel. Not many could perform the miracles he does year on year at Burton or would even be prepared to try.
Exactly my point Mikeyboy. Hughton would be just waiting for the next job on the merry go round, the next one to offer better money, more money to spend etc etc. It's not his sort of club and he's not our sort of manager despite his obvious pedigree.
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Post by britty on Oct 9, 2019 18:59:59 GMT
I meant the people in the list of odds. But I don’t see Hughton as any better than Nigel. Not many could perform the miracles he does year on year at Burton or would even be prepared to try.
Exactly my point Mikeyboy. Hughton would be just waiting for the next job on the merry go round, the next one to offer better money, more money to spend etc etc. It's not his sort of club and he's not our sort of manager despite his obvious pedigree.
I didn't think we were debating who would be a better manager at Burton. I thought it was who had the best pedigree for Sunderland. I would choose Hughton over Clough all day long for Sunderland. If Clough wasnt our current manager and it was a straight choice between the two I would go with Hughton for Burton to.
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Post by otep on Oct 9, 2019 19:14:25 GMT
I was thinking on Saturday that managing a club like Burton Albion must be really good fun. It is like how football used to be in many respects.
- Scouring the market for rough diamonds that you can pick up and polish. - Coaching young footballers. - Piecing together a football team each week. - Tactically pitting your wits in matches usually against clubs with more money and better players. - A constant David v Goliath situation where every success will be more sweet than if you were actually expected to win. - Not being constantly scrutinised by the media and periodically spoken of as the next manager for the sack. - Not having a load of fans criticising you because they feel a divine right to be better placed / winning trophies.
I suppose that is how his Dad managed (before his success brought money and the chance to invest in the first £1m player).
I think that the only clubs that would tick all of the above boxes are in Leagues 1 and 2. Sunderland and Ipswich are probably the only 2 that don't tick the boxes. (Mention of Sunderland there keeps us on thread).
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