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Post by Newark Colin on Apr 19, 2015 20:28:51 GMT
Following on from Ben Robinson doesn't want promotion to the Conference/League 2/League 1 messages we've had on the internet over the years I'd thought I'd be the first to start with the next level of Ben supposedly not wanting promotion rumours. Obviously I don't believe it, but that is irrelevant.  |
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Post by observer on Apr 19, 2015 20:34:25 GMT
I was wondering what Ben's ambition is with Burton tbh
Does there come a time he takes the club as far as he can and sells?
He runs it very much like a business - he's entitled to profit from the business should he wish by having some kind of exit strategy
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 19, 2015 20:51:38 GMT
At the Fans Forum in the Albion Suite earlier in the season Ben actually spoke optimistically about promotion and one more to the Championship. So never say never.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:07:47 GMT
At the Fans Forum in the Albion Suite earlier in the season Ben actually spoke optimistically about promotion and one more to the Championship. So never say never. He did indeed Mikeyboy I heard him with my own ears ! |
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Post by E7#9 on Apr 19, 2015 21:58:43 GMT
Must admit that it has crossed my mind a few times whether Ben would sell the club one day. I hope not, even if someone promised to bankroll the club. I like it just the way it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 22:18:12 GMT
Must admit that it has crossed my mind a few times whether Ben would sell the club one day. I hope not, even if someone promised to bankroll the club. I like it just the way it is. Unless he sold it to a Mr N Clough... |
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Post by everard on Apr 19, 2015 22:57:15 GMT
I celebrated enthusiastically at Vauxhall Motors when we finally reached the dizzy heights of the Conference - I honestly thought that this was where we belonged, rubbing shoulders with some ex League Clubs and not in either of the northern or southern leagues where we'd been forever.
I must admit then that I thought we were getting a bit above our station, daring to dream of promotion to the League.
Somehow the possibility became a reality and soon my ambition had extended beyond getting into the Football League and was focussing on the need to stay there for a season or two........relegation in the first season or so would have made it seem like we never deserved to be there in the first place........thus I suffered some stress during the Roy Mac period and suffered the odd bout of anxiety under the Pesch regime......but I've relaxed more since - now we've nearly become an established League side....and enjoyed the mostly upward ride under Rowett and JFH ........now my seatbelt's still fastened, I'm strapped in securely and I'm really looking forward to the next stage of the ride - and one day perhaps I'll be watching The Brewers competing with all those ex Premierhsip clubs that have fallen on to hard times in the Championship...............nah it'll never happen........could it?
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Post by observer on Apr 20, 2015 7:41:57 GMT
If we were to make Championship next few years the FFP rules will be allowing clubs to lose 12m per year approx whilst trying to hit EPL
That's where we can't compete
Our owner won't want to lose a penny for the stability of the club (quite rightly)
That's the stage where he has to consider what he does next
He may have to pass the baton on and hopefully make himself a nice retirement windfall at same time. He will have earnt it.
Any new owner would be wise to leave Ben in charge though IMO!!
I believe Ben's daughter is also extremely important in this club running a tight ship
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Post by observer on Apr 20, 2015 7:43:09 GMT
Do we have to be all seater for the Championship?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 7:55:31 GMT
Its not impossible but its not something I'm concentrating on at present. The Burton Albion way forward is stabilize and build, all the way from Cloughie's appointment. We have to establish ourselves in league one first and foremost.
I think football is going through a great deal of change and if and when we are in a position to challenge for another promotion the goal posts could be in a different position.
I can be a bit slow on the uptake sometimes but observer what is EPL ?
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Post by observer on Apr 20, 2015 8:05:04 GMT
English Premier League
(I've only just found that out as well terraceman!)
Well Chesterfield went up last season and sold Doyle for 1m didn't add an awful lot and now in playoff positions League 1
I don't think the level at League 1 is too scary for a League 2 promoted team with a bit of momentum and positivity
I agree we need to consolidate but you have to win every match you can
But not sure our ground could cope with Championship in any shape or form without a hell of a lot of investment
I'm getting way ahead of myself etc
What I do know is a club promoted to the Championship, debt free, actually making a profit in League One with modern facilities built with development in mind has to be an attractive proposition to an investor
Who knows where we could end up one day
I realise many on here are happy with what they do know though and trusting with Ben
Totally totally understand that and in many ways feel the same
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Post by swaddy Dave on Apr 20, 2015 8:28:59 GMT
Well I for one am going to enjoy the fact that we are promoted and will leave the worrying about future progression to the board. We are in league 1 COYB  . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 8:40:42 GMT
Cheers observer, that's what I thought but wasn't quite sure.
Teams promoted to the Championship must be all seater stadia within 3 years/seasons. Peterborough didn't make their ground all seater, they were relegated in the 3rd season prompting much speculation amongst the fan base.
I think we have gone through the ground improvements etc previously. I believe the plans/foundations for the Pirelli stadium were on the basis of future expansion.
I personally believe that the safe standing such as in Germany and Austria will be adopted over here as I understand the demand for standing areas is growing, so ground requirements could be quite different by the time we ever get to that stage.
Football wise, I see nothing to suggest we will not cope with league 1.
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Post by Newark Colin on Apr 20, 2015 8:44:53 GMT
Let's not put run before we can walk. The original post was a jibe at some of the ridiculous negativity some of our supporters have at times. I think we will be ok next season. Like League 2, clubs don't seem to go back down in the 1st season, but struggle when they hit seasons 2/3/4. 2nd division football returning to Burton for the 1st time in over a century, I think we will be waiting a long time for that, then again we've said the same about League football and League 1 football. Just one more thing, make the most of these great days, we don't know what's around the corner.
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Post by observer on Apr 20, 2015 8:45:56 GMT
I think we can certainly cope with League 1
To do that you have to aim to win every point you can though
You can't deliberately consolidate just to stay there
We may find ourselves flirting with playoffs etc just by consolidating well
And playoffs are a lottery etc
Ok so if we did get promoted to championship there's no urgent need to spend money so we could treat it as a chance to get financially secure and be even stronger when we consolidate in League One which is probably where we are best suited under current regime and with stadium as it is etc
One thing I'm not looking forward to next season is Milwall fans coming to us
It tends to get a bit nastier with away fans as you progress up the Leagues
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 8:50:54 GMT
Millwall may escape the drop yet, fatty Evans crew are likely to be docked 3 points for an admin error !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:31:27 GMT
The "Ben doesn't want promotion" censored work started (I believe) when we were seeing the 137 point lead we had at the top of the Conference slowly slip away and it's continued to plague us ever since. It reared it's ugly head again when we had our apparent traditional post Christmas capitulation a few years ago when we went from play off contenders to relegation battlers within about 2 months under Pesch. The problem is that Burtonians who can't be arsed with the Brewers (of which there are many) hear this crap once and keep churning it out to their delight. I work with a Man Utd supporter (HAHAHAHA...go to many games, mate?) and he told me before the Morecambe game that he thought we'd blow it "because Ben Robinson doesn't want promotion, does he". After a few choice words I walked away.
Promotion = success = national exposure = more punters for the conferencing facilities = MORE MONEY. Why on earth would Ben Robinson not want that?
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Post by claymillman on Apr 20, 2015 12:36:10 GMT
The "Ben doesn't want promotion" censored work started (I believe) when we were seeing the 137 point lead we had at the top of the Conference slowly slip away and it's continued to plague us ever since. It reared it's ugly head again when we had our apparent traditional post Christmas capitulation a few years ago when we went from play off contenders to relegation battlers within about 2 months under Pesch. The problem is that Burtonians who can't be arsed with the Brewers (of which there are many) hear this crap once and keep churning it out to their delight. I work with a Man Utd supporter (HAHAHAHA...go to many games, mate?) and he told me before the Morecambe game that he thought we'd blow it "because Ben Robinson doesn't want promotion, does he". After a few choice words I walked away. Promotion = success = national exposure = more punters for the conferencing facilities = MORE MONEY. Why on earth would Ben Robinson not want that? You're absolutely right. Many so called supporters have said "They don't want promotion" over the years, dating back to the Conference days. Ridiculous stuff. There is no point in playing this game if you do not go out to really try to win each game. If you are then very successful you could well achieve promotion. However, the Championship is a massive leap for a club like ours, and would involve a lot of expense on the ground, to increase capacity, both for inevitable away and hopefully more home support. To compete, the wage bill would also go up very considerably. That though still means our team must go out to try to win each game, and try to achieve the next step. If we don't do that we might as well pack up. I don't want that, and I am sure the rest of proper football supporters don't either. Let's enjoy the experience and do our very best in league 1. I am sure that is what our club will be doing. |
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