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Post by brewersinramland on Jan 11, 2015 8:43:46 GMT
It's easy to have rose-tinted specs from afar but as I read of the Peterborough chairman ranting on twitter and Dunne arguing with QPR fans it made me think how lucky we are.
A very good season so far despite losing one of the best managers in the Championship and a team that (although I suspect it isn't the most expensive in League 2) always puts in the effort and has some decent skills. We have a chairman and board that have developed the club on other commercial fronts and made the most of benefits that have come their way (e.g. Man United games, FA in Burton) without squandering windfalls on short term advantage. The club is well-respected in the town and the Community Trust shows how much the club recognises its wider responsibilities.
On the team front the new management show excellent promise and an ability to blend our existing players with new additions and make difficult decisions. We have an academy that is producing players to a high standard who will no doubt go on to bigger teams. If we go up that's great, if we don't it's not a financial disaster.
And finally we have supporters who do support the team and have an excellent reputation for behaviour and so much more - the Bournemouth relationship is witness to that.
Apologies for a somewhat positive rant but sometimes we all need to remember how far we've come. We're even better than Gresley now!
I'm sure others can add even more positives.
Up the Albion
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Post by swaddy Dave on Jan 11, 2015 9:19:46 GMT
Well said that man, BAFC is indeed a very well run club and I for one am proud to be a Brewers fan. I was only having a conversation yesterday with another long standing Brewers fan about why we don't seem to get much of a mention by the tv pundits or national press compared to some of the other L2 clubs, we came up with an answer between us, we are almost climbing the football ladder under the radar, no mega signings, no boom or bust just nice steady progress, this is testament to the Chairman and his team doing a top job and I would like to thank them for that, long may it last . COYB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 9:22:49 GMT
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. 9 games, 20 points from a possible 27 and a +10GD.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 11:32:57 GMT
I was actually thinking last night how virtually everyone has come out of these managerial changes smelling of roses. As well as Hasselbaink and his coaching staff have done so far with this group of players, you can't help but admire what our previous regime have achieved so far in their new roles two leagues above.
Rowett, Summerfield, Poole + Sale 11 games, 23 points from a possible 33 and a +8GD
They've taken a club that had a squad of players with no confidence, belief and were on a one way ticket to getting relegated (ring any bells?) and taken them to 7 points off the play offs. It's not entirely out of the question that our former management team could be pitting their wits against the likes of Mourinho, Van Gaal and Pellegrini next season.
The reason I post this is because that it proves we are a fantastic club for younger managers to learn their trade, put the "hard yards" in and do their apprenticeship, so to speak. Nowhere near enough managers get that time or opportunity at other clubs but Ben Robinson has always shown the patience that is oh so rare in football these days. Fair enough, the state Hasselbaink found our club in was a damn sight better than the state it was when Rowett took over but it does look like he's trying to take us to the next level. I've no doubts that Hasselbaink has seen what Rowett and Cloughie have acheived and he will aspire to get there himself. I've a feeling it may happen sooner rather than later if I'm being honest.
I almost agree with the "we have supporters who do support the team" part of that original post but I do think our support could and should be a lot better. Apart from that though I think brewersdownsouth has made a tremendous post there.
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Post by North Wales Brewer on Jan 11, 2015 11:52:03 GMT
Easy to forget how far we have come in the last 20 yrs. Having followed the Brewers since the early 60's,I can remember the days when we feared teams like, Romford,Chelmsford,Stafford Rngs,Matlock,Nuneaton Boro,Kiddy,Worcester,Telford,Hereford,Macclesfield. Where are they now?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 12:48:07 GMT
I was actually thinking last night how virtually everyone has come out of these managerial changes smelling of roses. As well as Hasselbaink and his coaching staff have done so far with this group of players, you can't help but admire what our previous regime have achieved so far in their new roles two leagues above. Rowett, Summerfield, Poole + Sale 11 games, 27 points from a possible 33 and a +8GD They've taken a club that had a squad of players with no confidence, belief and were on a one way ticket to getting relegated (ring any bells?) and taken them to 7 points off the play offs. It's not entirely out of the question that our former management team could be pitting their wits against the likes of Mourinho, Van Gaal and Pellegrini next season. The reason I post this is because that it proves we are a fantastic club for younger managers to learn their trade, put the "hard yards" in and do their apprenticeship, so to speak. Nowhere near enough managers get that time or opportunity at other clubs but Ben Robinson has always shown the patience that is oh so rare in football these days. Fair enough, the state Hasselbaink found our club in was a damn sight better than the state it was when Rowett took over but it does look like he's trying to take us to the next level. I've no doubts that Hasselbaink has seen what Rowett and Cloughie have acheived and he will aspire to get there himself. I've a feeling it may happen sooner rather than later if I'm being honest. I almost agree with the "we have supporters who do support the team" part of that original post but I do think our support could and should be a lot better. Apart from that though I think brewersdownsouth has made a tremendous post there. That, alongside the original post is an exceptional context to the situation. There is no wonder Ben has so many applications - most manager's take on clubs that are failing badly (as with Rowett). JFH had a better situation but so far has continued and improved upon what he inherited. Your point about the hard yards and abilities of Rowett et al (so far) is also very well made. In congratulating JFH we should not make it sound like an implied criticism of the previous regime.
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Post by E7#9 on Jan 11, 2015 13:11:45 GMT
I know that some think these types of threads are boring and that the forum is better if it has a good dose of negativity and criticism to stir the nest and upset everyone. Personally, I love these self-congratulary, back-slapping slews of positive energy we get on here from time to time. It makes my day.
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Post by observer on Jan 11, 2015 13:33:24 GMT
It's all going really well to the extent Forest fans I know starting to suggest JFH to replace Pearce who looks like a dead man walking
JFH was coach at Forest not that long ago.
Hopefully we at least get promoted with JFH before we end up losing another manager !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 13:45:23 GMT
It's 23 points from a possible 33 they've got at Brum. I censored.word it up. I'm sure you'll all understand. It was Sunday morning when I posted it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 13:54:52 GMT
It's all going really well to the extent Forest fans I know starting to suggest JFH to replace Pearce who looks like a dead man walkingJFH was coach at Forest not that long ago. Hopefully we at least get promoted with JFH before we end up losing another manager !! You know what? The exact same thought occurred to me as I scanned another forum last night. It was mentioned that both Cloughie and Billy Davies got the push from their respective jobs after recent East Mids derby defeats and it looks like the same fate is awaiting Pearce as they play each other next weekend with Derby heavy favourites. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Forest did come sniffing.
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Post by observer on Jan 11, 2015 14:33:18 GMT
Was there any mention of a contract when we gave JFH the job?
We might end up playing Forest in pre season friendlies for next few years as well!!
Our pre season will be busiest in the country
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Post by observer on Jan 11, 2015 14:35:16 GMT
Derby will hammer Forest this weekend. Forest playing awful. And zero confidence. Pearce is not a manager. He may even go before the weekend tbh to save him the embarrassment.
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Post by observer on Jan 11, 2015 14:36:18 GMT
Too soon for JFH though IMO. Forest missed the boat and needed someone like Rowett.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 14:47:15 GMT
There was a pic in the Mail over the weekend of JFH and David Oldfield signing contracts. Either way, it would be too early.
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Post by claymillman on Jan 11, 2015 15:11:32 GMT
JFH is under contract to us. Worthy of mention here is that our manager said he was influenced by Alex Ferguson telling him that you should choose the Chairman rather than the club. That was I believe a major factor in him applying to be our manager, (along with many other applicants I'm sure). The number of managers Forest get through, would make many possible managers think twice anyway I should think. In my humble opinion it would be ridiculous for JFH to be attracted to another position whilst there is a lot to do at Burton, and much experience to be gained. I can understand Forest supporters being desperate enough to want to sign any manager who seems to be able to win some games though.
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Post by observer on Jan 11, 2015 15:37:55 GMT
Agreed
Thing is JFH has played at the highest level and will have ambitions to manager at the highest level
He certainly needs to finish the job here in terms of promotion at least
But so many bigger clubs than us will lose manager in next 12 months sooner or later if we are successful one with a half decent chairman will come along
Forest certainly don't have one
Luckily his big ex club Leeds don't either - although having said he looks for a good chairman didn't he apply for that job before he joined us?
Their chairman probably one of the few worse than the Forest one
If he's a success with us we will lose him - be interesting to see whether Oldfield sticks with him or is a successor to him in the future
Regardless that's miles away hopefully but just pointed out in the thread that people are starting to take notice of JFH already from afar
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 18:18:42 GMT
Of course it would be way too early...but I remember Dennis Wise only being in charge of Swindon for a few months before moving to Leeds. Didn't Mark Robins do the same to Coventry when he left them for Huddersfield?
Obviously they both left clubs that were in turmoil to go to bigger clubs. We have a lot more stability here which always works in our favour.
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Post by claymillman on Jan 11, 2015 19:16:36 GMT
Of course it would be way too early...but I remember Dennis Wise only being in charge of Swindon for a few months before moving to Leeds. Didn't Mark Robins do the same to Coventry when he left them for Huddersfield? Obviously they both left clubs that were in turmoil to go to bigger clubs. We have a lot more stability here which always works in our favour. As you say the circumstances were extraordinary in the above cases. I'm sure Mark Robbins saw the dangers and quickly escaped.
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Post by uttoxbrewer on Jan 11, 2015 21:32:33 GMT
Easy to forget how far we have come in the last 20 yrs. Having followed the Brewers since the early 60's,I can remember the days when we feared teams like, Romford,Chelmsford,Stafford Rngs,Matlock,Nuneaton Boro,Kiddy,Worcester,Telford,Hereford,Macclesfield. Where are they now? I remember last season when I drove to a game, I saw the Frickley team coach on their way to Stafford Rangers - both these teams have beaten and finished above the Brewers in our NPL days and it made me pause and reflect a bit about "yesteryear" and to realise I was going to a watch Brewers match in the Football League, playing in one of the best stadiums in the division. I don't know about any of you but about 12-15 years or so ago I was always hopeful the Brewers could get promoted to the Conference and establish themselves as a top non league club who hopefully one day would win the FA Trophy at Wembley. I probably thought we'd still be playing at Eton Park too. How wrong I could be? (and glad to have been proved wrong too). PS - and there were still people moaning about the game in the Bovril End yesterday!!!
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Post by claymillman on Jan 12, 2015 10:19:57 GMT
It's no good being hard on supporters who criticise the team we have now, even if that is out of order considering how well we are doing. The fact is now we have come as far as we have, it is useless comparing us with where we were 12 years ago. Those days are now gone, and I remember them as well as anyone. I also thought the Conference was the best standard we could hope for. I am proud of how far we have come, but to progress we must live in the here and now, and against the clubs we meet on equal terms here and now. Many of our current supporters were not supporters 12 years ago anyway.
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