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Post by fergo on Apr 17, 2024 6:16:53 GMT
It's pretty obvious that Paterson cannot under any circumstances be taking the reigns next season, he's getting paid either way so let's just get one of the coaches in charge for these last two games. Hell if needs be just go managerless and put a cardboard cut out on the sidelines. Yes it's clutching at straws, and yes we're still shit, but if it gives us 1% extra it's worth it. The players also should hang their heads in shame too. They've not really bar a select few broken much of a sweat this season, if half arsed could be explained in a photo it would be our squad picture. At the end of the day the players don't really care about the club as eventually they move on (with a few exceptions, eg Stridey). It's the fans that suffer, the ones that follow the club through thick and thin making a lifelong commitment.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 17, 2024 6:20:25 GMT
I think we’ll be lucky to get 1 point from our remaining 2 games
Only thing we can look for is Cheltenham have Lincoln and Peterborough, both of whom (if they turn up) should beat them.
Cheltenham have stevenage last game of the season. Who will have nothing to play for and could very well roll over
Last night - what a shocker. Couldn’t put 2 passes together. Hugill has not won a header for us since he arrived but still we insist in hoofing it up to him 7 foot in the air at 100 mph.
Oshilaja got out jumped at the back post by their smallest man on the team for their 1st goal
Free header from a corner for the 2nd goal, not acceptable
Dodgy substitution timings
Playing carayol through the middle when the game was crying out for Kamwa on right wing and Carayol on left wing and for us to run at them. Bizarre
It was a complete sh!t show
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 17, 2024 6:31:06 GMT
Does Burton Albion need a new board? Out with the old in with the new so to speak. Seems the smaller the club the less the fans say about poor management decisions. Should we be blaming Paterson don't forget who put him there? Don't forget there has been poor decisions being made by the board for a number of weeks, seasons. The pot holes are not being repaired just getting bigger. Maybe it's the right time to find someone who is going to fix it. Younger, with more energy different outlook, more motivation.
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 17, 2024 6:40:32 GMT
Does Burton Albion need a new board? Out with the old in with the new so to speak. Seems the smaller the club the less the fans say about poor management decisions. Should we be blaming Paterson don't forget who put him there? Don't forget there has been poor decisions being made by the board for a number of weeks, seasons. The pot holes are not being repaired just getting bigger. Maybe it's the right time to find someone who is going to fix it. Younger, with more energy different outlook, more motivation. They are not queuing up to take over. We just need a new CEO - whilst Ben can carry on upstairs with the overall clubs finances, his strength.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 17, 2024 6:51:19 GMT
Does Burton Albion need a new board? Out with the old in with the new so to speak. Seems the smaller the club the less the fans say about poor management decisions. Should we be blaming Paterson don't forget who put him there? Don't forget there has been poor decisions being made by the board for a number of weeks, seasons. The pot holes are not being repaired just getting bigger. Maybe it's the right time to find someone who is going to fix it. Younger, with more energy different outlook, more motivation. just bear in mind that Port Vale posted financial accounts the other week that showed something like a £65k a week loss for the business. 3 and a bit million a year loss. let that sink in we break even. we spend every penny we have on our playing budget, but no more we have to be careful what we wish for. could very easily end up losing money every week as we don't have a very rich benefactor who is prepared to fund the club we have to do the best we can with what we have maybe if someone mega rich came along who didn't mind spending a few mill on a vanity project then things might be different
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 17, 2024 6:57:58 GMT
Does Burton Albion need a new board? Out with the old in with the new so to speak. Seems the smaller the club the less the fans say about poor management decisions. Should we be blaming Paterson don't forget who put him there? Don't forget there has been poor decisions being made by the board for a number of weeks, seasons. The pot holes are not being repaired just getting bigger. Maybe it's the right time to find someone who is going to fix it. Younger, with more energy different outlook, more motivation. I’m not sure what the board actually do and what say they actually have. Ben owns 98% of the shares (I know someone said 96%)on here recently). So the voting rights are (virtually) all his. That’s always been the case since he came back as Chairman in 1995. When Sir Stan Clarke had saved us from insolvency and installed Ben.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 17, 2024 7:05:55 GMT
Nigel Clough, Pesch and Gary Rowett did OK with diddly squat.
Port Vale are spending all that and look how they're doing.
You don't need money; you need skill and half a f***ing brain.
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 17, 2024 7:15:52 GMT
I think it was the cherry on the cake that Martin decided to bring on & play Carayol in a central position when we all know what he can offer in wider positions, the final nail in the coffin that he is in well above his head and his appointment was the worst decision we've made in a very long time.
Jake was obviously a bad move but he wasn't appointed when we clearly needed a safer pair of hands to guide us through until the end of the season. Not an apprentice straight out of university who uses buzz words and looks like a deer in the headlights most of the time.
The Burton Albion of old is dead. The never say die mantra. Gone.
We can blame budgets, we won League Two and got promoted from League One on a small budget. We stayed in the Championship almost twice, on a small budget.
Everything the club has built up over its rise in the last 25 years is being eroded away. Even when we were struggling for a number of years under Nigel down the bottom of the Conference or under Pesch in League Two, we were always a club that would give it a go. We had a solid heart on the pitch with a combination of flair players, and everyone on the pitch would have at least some understanding of what they were doing... for every Stride you'd have a Gilroy, for every Mousinho you'd have an El Khayati.
We need a fresh start as a club in the summer. We need a new coaching team, and a new squad, whether that be in this league or more likely the league below. We need someone capable in charge who can bring everyone back together, and get us back at least some of the way to what we can be, or should be as a football club. At the moment, we are a mess, and the self infliction of that is staring everyone right in the face right now.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 17, 2024 7:25:02 GMT
I think it was the cherry on the cake that Martin decided to bring on & play Carayol in a central position when we all know what he can offer in wider positions, the final nail in the coffin that he is in well above his head and his appointment was the worst decision we've made in a very long time. Jake was obviously a bad move but he wasn't appointed when we clearly needed a safer pair of hands to guide us through until the end of the season. Not an apprentice straight out of university who uses buzz words and looks like a deer in the headlights most of the time. The Burton Albion of old is dead. The never say die mantra. Gone. We can blame budgets, we won League Two and got promoted from League One on a small budget. We stayed in the Championship almost twice, on a small budget. Everything the club has built up over its rise in the last 25 years is being eroded away. Even when we were struggling for a number of years under Nigel down the bottom of the Conference or under Pesch in League Two, we were always a club that would give it a go. We had a solid heart on the pitch with a combination of flair players, and everyone on the pitch would have at least some understanding of what they were doing... for every Stride you'd have a Gilroy, for every Mousinho you'd have an El Khayati. We need a fresh start as a club in the summer. We need a new coaching team, and a new squad, whether that be in this league or more likely the league below. We need someone capable in charge who can bring everyone back together, and get us back at least some of the way to what we can be, or should be as a football club. At the moment, we are a mess, and the self infliction of that is staring everyone right in the face right now. There is only one man for the long term for me - Coleman.
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Post by luke on Apr 17, 2024 7:31:17 GMT
I think we’ll be lucky to get 1 point from our remaining 2 games Only thing we can look for is Cheltenham have Lincoln and Peterborough, both of whom (if they turn up) should beat them. Cheltenham have stevenage last game of the season. Who will have nothing to play for and could very well roll over Last night - what a shocker. Couldn’t put 2 passes together. Hugill has not won a header for us since he arrived but still we insist in hoofing it up to him 7 foot in the air at 100 mph. Oshilaja got out jumped at the back post by their smallest man on the team for their 1st goal Free header from a corner for the 2nd goal, not acceptable Dodgy substitution timings Playing carayol through the middle when the game was crying out for Kamwa on right wing and Carayol on left wing and for us to run at them. Bizarre It was a complete sh!t show I was actually looking at the stats for duels last night, Hugill lost 19 out of 23 duels, 3 out of 3 on the ground and 16 out of 20 in the air. Then there is Curtis Davies at the back for Cheltenham with 13 out of 16 aerial duels won. It’s actually upsetting how much we lack any kind of creativity, our goals literally only come from set pieces now, and Saturday’s ones weren’t even things they had worked on in training too (especially Helm having the ball bounce off the side of his face unexpectedly)
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Post by britty on Apr 17, 2024 7:34:07 GMT
I have been sympathetic mostly to the position that Paterson has been put in. But, that has all but gone now. I won't repeat what has already been said about his tactics and player selections at times, but last night he got it wrong again. The same mistakes, time after time.
How any player can not be up for it last night with that crowd I just do not know. The managers tactics and selections are firmly to blame for this. No one else.
At times it has been like watching my 11 year old lads team play, just a bunch of kids all running after the ball and kicking it as far away as possible when they get chance. No structure, no system, no idea.
He has tried every different possible combination of 541 now and it hasn't worked. Will the penny finally drop before reading on Saturday? I doubt it.....
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Post by insideleft on Apr 17, 2024 7:41:38 GMT
Nothing to say really. What is there to say?
If you go back to early December we were beaten by Stevenage at home. I think most would agree that that day we looked a side destined for relegation. We offered nothing, there was trouble in the camp, key players wanted out, the squad was weak in many areas, fans were fed up with the negative football and Maamria was rightly sacked.
I have to say I don't feel the vitriol towards the players and MP that others do.
Nothing was addressed in January and so nothing has changed. We let go a complete forward line of options and haven’t replaced them. We were hopelessly weak in midfield and experience and that wasn’t addressed.
I look at the squad and try to come up with a positive 442 or 433 and I just don't see the personnel on the books. We're just not good enough. I struggle to find a midfield who want to get on the ball, dictate play, take the game to the opposition, create opportunities, play the forwards in. I can't put a front three together with players who have pace, run the channels, win the ball in the air, hold the ball up and importantly score goals. We just don't have them.
We are a poor side. If you play enough games the “law of averages” says you're bound to win a few and I'm afraid that is what we are relying on the “law of bloody averages” We got a result on Saturday off Marc Helm’s shoulder, we need another from somewhere.
As for last night. As far as I can see players were giving it their all but if you're not good enough and the other team are better than you then we are where we are. Cheltenham were better than us. Fair play to them.
Last night. Well I know people on here have been clamouring for Powell to play forward but for me if you take him out of that central midfield role we don’t have a single player in there capable of getting on the ball, keeping it and playing those simple passes forward. Steve Seddon would be my first choice left back.
Other than that I wanted to go home!
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Post by bobgauden on Apr 17, 2024 10:54:29 GMT
Nothing to say really. What is there to say? If you go back to early December we were beaten by Stevenage at home. I think most would agree that that day we looked a side destined for relegation. We offered nothing, there was trouble in the camp, key players wanted out, the squad was weak in many areas, fans were fed up with the negative football and Maamria was rightly sacked. I have to say I don't feel the vitriol towards the players and MP that others do. Nothing was addressed in January and so nothing has changed. We let go a complete forward line of options and haven’t replaced them. We were hopelessly weak in midfield and experience and that wasn’t addressed. I look at the squad and try to come up with a positive 442 or 433 and I just don't see the personnel on the books. We're just not good enough. I struggle to find a midfield who want to get on the ball, dictate play, take the game to the opposition, create opportunities, play the forwards in. I can't put a front three together with players who have pace, run the channels, win the ball in the air, hold the ball up and importantly score goals. We just don't have them. We are a poor side. If you play enough games the “law of averages” says you're bound to win a few and I'm afraid that is what we are relying on the “law of bloody averages” We got a result on Saturday off Marc Helm’s shoulder, we need another from somewhere. As for last night. As far as I can see players were giving it their all but if you're not good enough and the other team are better than you then we are where we are. Cheltenham were better than us. Fair play to them. Last night. Well I know people on here have been clamouring for Powell to play forward but for me if you take him out of that central midfield role we don’t have a single player in there capable of getting on the ball, keeping it and playing those simple passes forward. Steve Seddon would be my first choice left back. Other than that I wanted to go home! Best post you’ve ever made I reckon.
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 17, 2024 11:19:19 GMT
When I said a few weeks ago you cannot polish a turd, someone said you can. He looked it up. My wife said you can put glitter on the top of a turd that might put a shine on it. How much glitter would you need to put a shine on that load of shit?
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 17, 2024 11:22:26 GMT
I’m actually quite sanguine about relegation to league two. If we can address the issues and assemble a decent squad ( and not sell everyone decent in January ) then it could be exciting. We need something to be positive about. Walsall, chesterfield, notts county, crewe away is something to look forward to. And possibly vale as well.
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Post by annable on Apr 17, 2024 13:28:31 GMT
Something that may effect us is that Steve Evans has left Stevenage for Rotherham with immediate effect meaning they will be managerless for the last game of the season against Cheltenham. Gives Cheltenham a better chance in that game I would imagine.
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 17, 2024 13:44:52 GMT
"Steve Evans has left Stevenage for Rotherham" Can our win be anything to do with that, can we take the credit for him walking?
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Post by everard on Apr 17, 2024 13:52:36 GMT
"Steve Evans has left Stevenage for Rotherham" Can our win be anything to do with that, can we take the credit for him walking? I think most folk would see his time at Stevenage as a success story bennyboy....and his reward a return to the bigger club Rotherham where he also enjoyed considerable success (before moving to Leeds)
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Post by bennyboy on Apr 17, 2024 13:59:36 GMT
"Steve Evans has left Stevenage for Rotherham" Can our win be anything to do with that, can we take the credit for him walking? I think most folk would see his time at Stevenage as a success story bennyboy....and his reward a return to the bigger club Rotherham where he also enjoyed considerable success (before moving to Leeds) You know in a strange way I'd want him as boss at Burton right now, never going to happen of course.😄
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 17, 2024 14:15:55 GMT
Steve evans at Rotherham. It conjures up but one image. Alex revell scored a worldy at Wembley with a stunning volley and he ran down the touchline..his trousers falling down as it happened. You can’t unsee that. Joking apart - he is a good manager and if he took over from Dino we would be 13-16th now I’m sure of it.
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