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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 19:13:23 GMT
He already has done it at a higher level. Three times. Really...... I seem to recall numerous incidents where he publicly critizised Ram players and was criticised for it. Notice any similarities there ? No didnt think you would. He is what he is and will end his management career with the brewers. He has ability at his current level but talking very much hypethetically of course as it will never happen, he would last months in the prem with his managerial style. He would be eaten alive by the players, agents, press and owners He already has done it at a higher level. Three times.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 20:27:43 GMT
Really...... I seem to recall numerous incidents where he publicly critizised Ram players and was criticised for it. Notice any similarities there ? No didnt think you would. He is what he is and will end his management career with the brewers. He has ability at his current level but talking very much hypethetically of course as it will never happen, he would last months in the prem with his managerial style. He would be eaten alive by the players, agents, press and owners He already has done it at a higher level. Three times. It is obv to all of us that he has managed in the champ but he has never tasted real lasting success anywhere he has been other than here. Cup runs are what they are but its league success that really counts. He is untouchable here unlike other places and I think he knows that tbh. I doubt he has a future anywhere else now and thus the frustration in many supporters will grow as I doubt the owner will ever wish to do the unthinkable and try someone else? They are a partnership for good or for bad is wont change.
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Post by NobodyGood on Mar 31, 2019 20:49:31 GMT
Ah at least you keep the forum active Royston ☺
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Post by annable on Mar 31, 2019 21:18:00 GMT
Just a quick reality check of the level of club we are up against even in this league where the third and fourth placed teams played out a cup final at Wembley today in front of 85,000 fans. Last time we went to Wembley I think we took 8,000.
Interesting that in the two games we have played against those teams this season we have won one and drawn one so we are still competing in one off games against them.
In terms of the managers ability level then one thing is for sure is that is way above the calibre of manager a club our size would normally be able to attract. The key to our success since coming into the football league has been the owners ability to pick the right manager for our club and know when to make a change. I don't think he would be afraid to sack any manager, including Nigel, if he genuinely thought it was right for the club. So as far as I am concerned what Ben says goes and if he's happy that's good enough for me.
Even this season, despite it following the clubs first relegation season in 45+ years, we performed another minor miracle by getting to a cup semi final. Still, that's not good enough for some on here and other social media sites.
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Post by trevor1946 on Apr 1, 2019 8:52:28 GMT
He already has done it at a higher level. Three times. It is obv to all of us that he has managed in the champ but he has never tasted real lasting success anywhere he has been other than here. Cup runs are what they are but its league success that really counts. He is untouchable here unlike other places and I think he knows that tbh. I doubt he has a future anywhere else now and thus the frustration in many supporters will grow as I doubt the owner will ever wish to do the unthinkable and try someone else? They are a partnership for good or for bad is wont change. Royston go and troll elsewhere, Burton Albion is to well run,and small for you to talk rubbish-----Nigel Clough is the longest serving manager at Derby County In over 16 years. I could go into how little he money spent to achieve a play off final squad===i could go into multi millions spent,over the last 6 years===i could go into head coach i-e managers fired. I could go into 20 million spent on players. leaving on a free come June====i could go into ridiculas wages paid to players. But better to admire the journey made by the brewers on peanuts, the only problem picking up people like you ,with no respect and pride. Clough could have took the Forest job,and earned more money than 10 years at Burton, To reply to a person like you=====yes 2 weeks off is a long time. And it is good to remember why i support this club,and the principals of the people who run it.
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Post by dcpedigree on Apr 1, 2019 9:49:31 GMT
It is a very interesting debate. I have often wondered how NC managing skills would work with one of the big premier league teams. I personaly love his style but I think like Royston he could very quickly Loose the dressing room when dealing with these stars that think their bigger than the club. League 1 players in general, certainly the ones we have tow the line or else their out. ( which i agree with) . But dealing with Pogba and co is a different story, Interesting.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 1, 2019 10:50:28 GMT
Yep. The game has certainly changed in the last 20 years since Nigel has been managing. I remember seeing a documentary a while back, suggesting people like Clough senior, Don Revie, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, etc, would have really struggled in the modern game (at the top, anyway).
I don't really care about all that. Nigel demands loyalty. Good. Top players couldn't care less cos they can go and earn their millions anywhere they like. Even Ronaldo got his dream move to Real and then buggered off.
The PL coaches are not footballing tacticians - they know how to get the best out of a bunch of namby-pamby mummy's boys. Nigel wouldn't last five minutes in the PL cos he'd get rid of the lot of them in the first week and be left with an empty dressing room! Although, I guess Sean Dyche is doing alright, along with Eddie Howe - maybe I'm wrong.
I've asked this before but it's worth repeating - how would Pep, Klopp and the other faceless blokes (they're the only two I know) how would they do on Burton Albion's budget in League One? It's a rhetorical question I guess cos they'd get a load of their old mates to do a favour or two and be back in the Prem in two seasons.
I'm just glad we've not been relegated and that we've been playing cracking football. That's all ANY football fan should want. Low expectations? Moi?
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Post by NobodyGood on Apr 1, 2019 11:22:31 GMT
If you've not watched All or Nothing have a look. I really admire Peps man management at Man City, it's a good watch with loads of behind the scenes dressing room talks etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 11:52:12 GMT
It is obv to all of us that he has managed in the champ but he has never tasted real lasting success anywhere he has been other than here. Cup runs are what they are but its league success that really counts. He is untouchable here unlike other places and I think he knows that tbh. I doubt he has a future anywhere else now and thus the frustration in many supporters will grow as I doubt the owner will ever wish to do the unthinkable and try someone else? They are a partnership for good or for bad is wont change. Royston go and troll elsewhere, Burton Albion is to well run,and small for you to talk rubbish-----Nigel Clough is the longest serving manager at Derby County In over 16 years. I could go into how little he money spent to achieve a play off final squad===i could go into multi millions spent,over the last 6 years===i could go into head coach i-e managers fired. I could go into 20 million spent on players. leaving on a free come June====i could go into ridiculas wages paid to players. But better to admire the journey made by the brewers on peanuts, the only problem picking up people like you ,with no respect and pride. Clough could have took the Forest job,and earned more money than 10 years at Burton, To reply to a person like you=====yes 2 weeks off is a long time. And it is good to remember why i support this club,and the principals of the people who run it. Off you go again Trevor another ridiculous reaction to what was a decent thread. How dare you consider me a troll you have no idea who I am? It is no use calling out people like myself who dont agree with you and going off at a complete tagent to talk about all that you feel is good about NC is frankly stupid. I have no idea why you ever thought NC was going to take the forest job. It was a basket club at the time and he knew it. You are clearly a great admirer of NC and I respect that but I happen to have a different view. He is definetely an acquired taste and his inability to accept any form of personal criticism is an issue and there have been well documented cases where his reaction to such criticism has been totally bizarre (Hull city post match interview). He will stay at Burton for as long as he wants to as he will always carry the owners confidence. It remains to be seen how long he will carry the confidence of the supporters?
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Post by claymillman on Apr 1, 2019 14:11:06 GMT
Clearly NC doesn't satisfy all the supporters all the time. Royston being a vocal example. However, to those of us who look realistically and logically at our football club see a small club, (which frankly I never saw becoming a league club), operating in league 1. This is a fantastic achievement, made possible by having perhaps the best possible Chairman and Manager for our club in charge. Years ago numerous non-league teams like Telford, Woking, Hereford and Southport, plus ex League clubs like Aldershot, Stockport, Wrexham, York City, and others were bigger clubs in all respects to us. As far as I'm concerned NC is fantastic for us. He isn't perfect, no one is, but he makes too few mistakes to worry us, and many great decisions to help us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 15:17:21 GMT
Clearly NC doesn't satisfy all the supporters all the time. Royston being a vocal example. However, to those of us who look realistically and logically at our football club see a small club, (which frankly I never saw becoming a league club), operating in league 1. This is a fantastic achievement, made possible by having perhaps the best possible Chairman and Manager for our club in charge. Years ago numerous non-league teams like Telford, Woking, Hereford and Southport, plus ex League clubs like Aldershot, Stockport, Wrexham, York City, and others were bigger clubs in all respects to us. As far as I'm concerned NC is fantastic for us. He isn't perfect, no one is, but he makes too few mistakes to worry us, and many great decisions to help us. I respect your view on OUR club and that of its owner and manager. Like i said but was lost on a few on here, NC has the confidence of the owner and he is obv doing what the owner demands.
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Post by trevor1946 on Apr 1, 2019 16:05:58 GMT
It is a very interesting debate. I have often wondered how NC managing skills would work with one of the big premier league teams. I personaly love his style but I think like Royston he could very quickly Loose the dressing room when dealing with these stars that think their bigger than the club. League 1 players in general, certainly the ones we have tow the line or else their out. ( which i agree with) . But dealing with Pogba and co is a different story, Interesting. He would simply rip it apart,get rid of the deadwood,build his own team,take 3 seasons to build a team to challenge for honours,and not get involved in paying millions for clowns. He would tell the owners what he required,work to a budget,keep the club in the red,and tell the multimillionaire owners to stick to what they know, And leave football matters to him. So after a sulk and the spitting of dummies ,they would sack him for spoiling their fun,and not becoming another scapegoat for their incompetence. C-E-O Sam Rush on getting the Derby Job had to get rid of clough to get control of team affairs, many fans like royston fell for the next phase==then a new level,buying expensive players.and head coaches payed the price sack. Mel Morris watched his multi millions disappear.6 years down the road, Sam Rush sacked.£34 million being paid in wages to players not in the squad over 20 million in transfer fees going free in june---owner wants a investor or sell the club. With his squad losing the playoff final, in 2013/14 Clough still remains their longest serving manager over the last 16 years.With 1 promotion==1 F-A cup Semi -final==2 League cup -semi-finals,and 1 play-off semi final,thats 5 achievements with low league clubs,on a shoe string. With time- patience--money the man would be dangerous.
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Post by mick on Apr 1, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
Not sure why this has morphed into yet another debate about NC although perhaps I am given the contributors. For what it is worth I am firmly in the NC camp and more than happy with the progress under his stewardship, rarely a week seems to go by when we hear of other clubs in trouble for chasing the dream (not sure if DCFC are still under FFP scrutiny). We need an element of common sense - BAFC remains a small fish in a large pond and punching well above our weight. No doubt I shall now have to take off my rose tinted glasses (for what it is worth has anyone actually seen a pair?).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:35:09 GMT
Not sure why this has morphed into yet another debate about NC although perhaps I am given the contributors. For what it is worth I am firmly in the NC camp and more than happy with the progress under his stewardship, rarely a week seems to go by when we hear of other clubs in trouble for chasing the dream (not sure if DCFC are still under FFP scrutiny). We need an element of common sense - BAFC remains a small fish in a large pond and punching well above our weight. No doubt I shall now have to take off my rose tinted glasses (for what it is worth has anyone actually seen a pair?). They are on your nose (mystery over) 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:53:52 GMT
It is a very interesting debate. I have often wondered how NC managing skills would work with one of the big premier league teams. I personaly love his style but I think like Royston he could very quickly Loose the dressing room when dealing with these stars that think their bigger than the club. League 1 players in general, certainly the ones we have tow the line or else their out. ( which i agree with) . But dealing with Pogba and co is a different story, Interesting. He would simply rip it apart,get rid of the deadwood,build his own team,take 3 seasons to build a team to challenge for honours,and not get involved in paying millions for clowns. He would tell the owners what he required,work to a budget,keep the club in the red,and tell the multimillionaire owners to stick to what they know, And leave football matters to him. So after a sulk and the spitting of dummies ,they would sack him for spoiling their fun,and not becoming another scapegoat for their incompetence. C-E-O Sam Rush on getting the Derby Job had to get rid of clough to get control of team affairs, many fans like royston fell for the next phase==then a new level,buying expensive players.and head coaches payed the price sack. Mel Morris watched his multi millions disappear.6 years down the road, Sam Rush sacked.£34 million being paid in wages to players not in the squad over 20 million in transfer fees going free in june---owner wants a investor or sell the club. With his squad losing the playoff final, in 2013/14 Clough still remains their longest serving manager over the last 16 years.With 1 promotion==1 F-A cup Semi -final==2 League cup -semi-finals,and 1 play-off semi final,thats 5 achievements with low league clubs,on a shoe string. With time- patience--money the man would be dangerous. He wouldnt get a top job so its all hypathetical but if he did he would not get past the first 6 words in your extensive thread above before being shown the door !!
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Post by insideleft on Apr 1, 2019 20:06:56 GMT
More irrelevant posts based on untruths and limited evidence from multiple accounter royston(trent59(johnbrayfordsheader(thelittlefour)))
He should have been removed yonks ago. Just attention seeking.
I’d hazard a guess he’s never been to the Pirelli.
Remind me. What was the title of this thread?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:10:04 GMT
More irrelevant posts based on untruths and limited evidence from multiple accounter royston(trent59(johnbrayfordsheader(thelittlefour))) He should have been removed yonks ago. Just attention seeking. I’d hazard a guess he’s never been to the Pirelli. Remind me. What was the title of this thread? You just cannot handle anything negative being said about any aspect of the club.
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Post by insideleft on Apr 1, 2019 20:12:34 GMT
I most certainly can when based on factual evidence and valued opinion.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 1, 2019 21:09:23 GMT
Not sure why this has morphed into yet another debate about NC although perhaps I am given the contributors. For what it is worth I am firmly in the NC camp and more than happy with the progress under his stewardship, rarely a week seems to go by when we hear of other clubs in trouble for chasing the dream (not sure if DCFC are still under FFP scrutiny). We need an element of common sense - BAFC remains a small fish in a large pond and punching well above our weight. No doubt I shall now have to take off my rose tinted glasses (for what it is worth has anyone actually seen a pair?). I remember rose-tinted glasses. They were absolutely fabulous - just the greatest thing ever...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:42:20 GMT
More irrelevant posts based on untruths and limited evidence from multiple accounter royston(trent59(johnbrayfordsheader(thelittlefour))) He should have been removed yonks ago. Just attention seeking. I’d hazard a guess he’s never been to the Pirelli. Remind me. What was the title of this thread? You just cannot handle anything negative being said about any aspect of the club. You are wasting your time Trent. Just retain your view , hold onto it but be prepared to give credit where it is due as I have done on many occasions but the likes of this individual conveniently forget that and finally dont be put off by the sycophants.
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