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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 23:17:21 GMT
I am becoming very concerned at marvins contribution to the side? Has anyone else any opinion on ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 23:30:13 GMT
I am becoming very concerned at marvins contribution to the side? Has anyone else any opinion on ? I hate having a go at our own players, hate it. He isn't contributing anywhere near enough, he's wasteful in front of goal and poor on the ball. As a person I like him a lot and desperately want him to recapture something but being honest he's been going backwards for the last 9 months or so, maybe trying too hard to make something happen is having the opposite effect. I understand he occasionally has self confidence issues and it's cos of that I don't want to write him off. We need better either from him and quickly or we need to give someone else a run out. Come on Marvin son, come on.
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Post by noiblanotrub on Aug 22, 2018 0:06:19 GMT
He’s a really likeable , humble lad but we’re not getting what we know he’s capable of on a regular basis . When Temps equalised at Shrews he almost looked disappointed. Missed a bag full on the opening day and a couple tonight. Just wish he would step back up to the level we saw by the end of 2016-17 season .
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Post by fergo on Aug 22, 2018 4:34:29 GMT
Is it anything to do with the fact that in the main we play him out of position on the wing (I assume he was wide right again last night?). I know a player should give everything where ever they are told to play but Marvin is a striker. Also as the loan striker we put too much emphasis on Boyce, so when he has a quieter game (as people have said) it stands out. Play Marvin and Boyce together up front.
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Post by fergo on Aug 22, 2018 4:40:37 GMT
I am becoming very concerned at marvins contribution to the side? Has anyone else any opinion on ? I hate having a go at our own players, hate it. He isn't contributing anywhere near enough, he's wasteful in front of goal and poor on the ball. As a person I like him a lot and desperately want him to recapture something but being honest he's been going backwards for the last 9 months or so, maybe trying too hard to make something happen is having the opposite effect. I understand he occasionally has self confidence issues and it's cos of that I don't want to write him off. We need better either from him and quickly or we need to give someone else a run out. Come on Marvin son, come on. he is definitely a confidence player. A goal or two could be all it takes for him to get that back and go on a run. The undoubted ability is in there and id love to see him do well.
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Post by insideleft on Aug 22, 2018 8:37:40 GMT
Agree with all these points.
I despair of aspects of the modern game. Why do we not deploy two up front any more; one holds, leads the line, good in the air, good feet and the other complements runs the channels, pacey, goes past players etc etc or variations on. Instead we chuck one out wide and expect him to deliver the same and do the work of wing/full backs. Marvin has had a real opportunity with us and us much as like Broomo I hate criticising players on line there are ways of means of doing so……………….
He needs to start scoring or creating/assisting . He really does or we need to look elsewhere.
It might help his game also if he was played genuinely up front.
People say we went down because we let in goals. I’ve always said we went down because we didn’t score goals. That in my view is still the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 9:23:54 GMT
Agree with all these points. I despair of aspects of the modern game. Why do we not deploy two up front any more; one holds, leads the line, good in the air, good feet and the other complements runs the channels, pacey, goes past players etc etc or variations on. Instead we chuck one out wide and expect him to deliver the same and do the work of wing/full backs. Marvin has had a real opportunity with us and us much as like Broomo I hate criticising players on line there are ways of means of doing so………………. He needs to start scoring or creating/assisting . He really does or we need to look elsewhere. It might help his game also if he was played genuinely up front. People say we went down because we let in goals. I’ve always said we went down because we didn’t score goals. That in my view is still the case. Agree with almost everything you post and in an ideal world I'd also like to see with two up top. Our midfield doesn't protect the defence as much as it should already. Templeton has to add tracking back to his game or he won't last long no matter how much quality he clearly has. Two up ton would mean four in midfield? We'd be over run. We don't have a midfielder who can dominate so we need to rely on numbers. For now at least. Maybe Quinn will be the one who sits in
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Post by melymoss on Aug 22, 2018 9:55:47 GMT
I agree entirely. My first post a few weeks ago i said my main worry was could we score enough goals ? The priority is certainly a strong midfielder and someone up top with a bit of quality with Liam Boyce.
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Post by melymoss on Aug 22, 2018 10:01:26 GMT
Just reading my post again it sounds as though i’m shouting for a 442 formation. That’s not entirely true. I just feel other than Boyce we just lack a little quality at the moment up front.
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 22, 2018 11:16:37 GMT
Marvin up front, Against Rochdale he missed a host of chances ,i mean chances,at Bradford he missed some sitters,he promises so much he even took a free kick with all the big men up--he blasted it over the bar.We have played him upfront also on both wings,His shooting is erratic at best. Like most on here i hoped that given a 3 year contract he would rediscover his form and become a top player again .Perhaps like many his promise will never be fulfilled
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Post by cbh1 on Aug 22, 2018 11:50:26 GMT
FWIW and my twopennoth on this.
I watch Marvin and often when he comes deep to get the ball he has great close control and often it looks as if he is about to lose possession but he somehow retains it. He has good movement to step inside a player and start pushing forwards with it and get us going. It is just in that final third that his composure just seems a little wanting right now.
He does seem to be suffering a lack of confidence in front of goal right now and, as others have said, a goal would do him the world of good.
Against Rochdale he came up against a goalkeeper who had an inspired day. He could easily have had a couple of goals that day. Last night he scuffed any early second half chance wide and then had another great chance from inside the box. Being kind to him, the cross came to him quickly off a defender and he had to take it quickly and it went over. Should have scored undoubtedly but maybe with an extra second or so to shape himself to get the right connection he would have done.
He is primarily a striker but I seem to recall that when we signed him from Coventry they had been employing him on the wing and he scored seven goals in the first half of that season, not playing as a striker so it is not unnatural for him.
I really want him to do well and believe there is a good player in there. He often has a languid looking appearance which, falsely, makes him look unenthusiastic and as if he is not trying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:23:05 GMT
In marvins last 8 seasons he has scored 27 goals including 7 in 61 apps for the brewers. If i was to compare those stats to say Ben Turner who has 3 in 67 and hes a centre back. Marvin simply has to do more???
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Post by WestEnder on Aug 22, 2018 22:23:05 GMT
Every time I hear people say bad things about Sordell it always brings back memories of how good he was when we had him and Woodrow scoring goals for us.
Obviously we haven’t got a lot of players but I’d like to see him up front with Boyce for a game or two just to see how it goes.
I guess another option could be bringing Harness or Hodge in the starting line-up instead just to let him know he’s not guaranteed to start games without performing well and that could possibly give him the push he needs.
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Post by keggy on Aug 23, 2018 6:15:22 GMT
I still say it was his best game for us against Donny
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Post by bancroft on Sept 10, 2018 13:39:37 GMT
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Post by NobodyGood on Sept 10, 2018 16:51:51 GMT
Fair play to him for opening up and challenging perceptions. Hopefully it leads to some attitudes changing in the game.
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Post by bobgauden on Sept 10, 2018 18:21:25 GMT
I really hope Marvin manages to control his demons off the pitch, seems a real likeable chap.
On the pitch I haven't a clue what he brings. Am I missing something?
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Post by A38 on Sept 10, 2018 19:02:18 GMT
I noticed Will Miller is listed as a creative director of the video; I assume that’s our own Will Miller and if so I’m encouraged that this is something our players have been comfortable enough to collaborate on and put out there, could help all sorts of people.
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Post by annable on Sept 10, 2018 20:46:26 GMT
Firstly, very brave of Marvin to do the interview in a national newspaper and bearing his soul to everybody.
I have to say having watched him for the best part of two seasons it is not a great surprise to read this, sad as it is, as his on the pitch moods, form and body language are as up and down as any player I've seen. Capable of great things one minute albeit not recently and other times very, very quiet.
Let's hope the more vocally critical amongst our support bear this in mind before laying into him next time he is having a poor game as there are more important things in life than football and we just need to do our bit and show him our support. At the end of the day we all benefit from a fit and firing, happy Marvin.
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Post by woody on Sept 10, 2018 21:24:59 GMT
Marvin put in a great performance away at Huddersfield, in that very memorable win with the last minute Jackson Irvine winner. He needs confidence and consistency. It could yet come.
Big respect to players like him, who are speaking up on mental health. It is not easy to do so.
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