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Post by annable on Nov 5, 2016 23:36:00 GMT
Thought we got better as the game went on and we should have won that in the second half.
That was bad miss by Tom but we need to cut the guy some slack. The lad is a centre half as far as I have seen but he seems to be asked to play anywhere but there. He gives 100% but is struggling a bit at this level. No need to boo him. That's not the sort of club we are.
Gap extended between us and the bottom 3 which in reality is what we are aiming to do.
Could do with picking up a win in the next two away games before a massive one against Rotherham next time at home.
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Post by swaddy Dave on Nov 6, 2016 8:29:12 GMT
I can't believe we didn't win that game, on another day 2 or 3 of those would have gone in. It's still a decent result though, we just need to start getting more from our away fixtures and we'll be ok. Shame about Jamie's injury, he was just getting into top form. Before the game I was concerned about Winnal , Armstrong and Bradshaw but while one sat on is arse all afternoon the other two did very little more. Hoping now to get some points from our next 2 away games after the international break.
COYB
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Post by bennyboy on Nov 6, 2016 8:55:10 GMT
Thoroughly enjoyable game to watch really, yes we battered them second half with just a point out of it in the end.
Hope the Norwegian fans enjoyed the game. They were in the bar before the game and chose to come and watch us before flying home today. They were Leicester city fans and stayed over after watching the foxes in their midweek European match. They had done there homework and knew of our past managers and about our chairman etc. Hope they'll be back after that performance.
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Post by insideleft on Nov 6, 2016 8:55:45 GMT
Don't think Cloughie is helping Tom's game one jot playing him out there and in an atmosphere where I would say most if not all wanted Stuart Beavon on.
Another good game for me. Good atmosphere, some good football. I thought Barnsley were possibly the strongest opposition we've faced ! They created chances as well.
If you don't score goals you don't win football matches , so not point in bemoaning it.Fair result.
On Radio Derby Cloughie noted that SB hadn't scored for 9 months (a season). Come on Nigel you can do better than that, he hasn't picked for 6 of those 9 months (incl Summer)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 9:48:26 GMT
Don't think Cloughie is helping Tom's game one jot playing him out there and in an atmosphere where I would say most if not all wanted Stuart Beavon on.Another good game for me. Good atmosphere, some good football. I thought Barnsley were possibly the strongest opposition we've faced ! They created chances as well. If you don't score goals you don't win football matches , so not point in bemoaning it.Fair result. On Radio Derby Cloughie noted that SB hadn't scored for 9 months (a season). Come on Nigel you can do better than that, he hasn't picked for 6 of those 9 months (incl Summer) Interesting spin blaming the manager. It's his decision to bring him on and I'd say he knows a little bit more about football than any of us. Not sure which game you were at either if you think it was a good atmosphere. I could hear John shouting for the ball from set pieces etc...in the second half and I was in the west stand. Also Soccerbase tells me Beavon has played 33 league games under Nigel and scored 2 goals. Akins has played 39 and scored 14. I can see why he did it. It's either O'Grady or Beavon for me and whoever partners him needs to be the goalscorer out of the two. Absolute disgrace for supporters to boo their own player, by the way. The bloke near me wanted a Barnsley player to "snap his f**king leg so he can't play again". Is Flanagan championship quality? I don't personally think so...but if he wears the Brewers shirt then he has my support and I want him to do well and improve. Unfortunately I don't think he will when there's so much hate aimed his way.
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Post by insideleft on Nov 6, 2016 10:13:44 GMT
Interesting stats which could equally suggest Beavon should replace O'Grady alongside Akins !
This season more than any should see full on support, no place for moans and groans at individual players.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 10:36:18 GMT
I was surprised as many at the decision to replace Ward with Flanaghan and move Akins. However, there is a rationale to it as William and the manager explained. Contrary to many other of the moaners on Facebook as well, I don't think we lost much down the right when Akins went up top. Sure, Flanaghan put a few poor crosses in, but he put some good ones in too. Let's face it, Akins and Dyer are not 100% on pinpoint crosses either. Flanaghan also had the best two chances, one a complete sitter, the other forcing the 'keeper to make a top save. The lad did ok, he didn't hide, wanted the ball despite to shocking criticism from some. He constantly does ok for me. Is he Championship quality? Maybe not yet, but he is certainly not the weak link.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 10:40:02 GMT
Interesting stats which could equally suggest Beavon should replace O'Grady alongside Akins ! This season more than any should see full on support, no place for moans and groans at individual players. I think he should when O'Grady is unavailable. As another poster on Facebook (Kevin Friel) rightly said during the game, Beavon and O'Grady are similar players.
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Post by fergo on Nov 6, 2016 12:47:09 GMT
We sit in the main stand towards the home end and a lot of the boos when Flanagan came on seemed to come from the middle sections. Its a disgrace. Whether you agree with a decision or not its no way to behave. Do these twats think its going to help him or the team...
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Post by sinfinbovril on Nov 6, 2016 13:16:18 GMT
I've just watched the highlights (and maybe I'm being far too nice) but as for the 'sitter' that Tom missed (as I thought at the time) Barnsley's defender flung himself in the way and IMO put Tom off. If you watch it from behind the goal, you can see what happened. The defender earned this week's wages throwing himself at that (well, some of them...)
Yes, a striker would've probably scored it. They look easy from the stands, don't they. I'm as guilty as anyone....
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Post by observer on Nov 6, 2016 13:55:37 GMT
I spoke to someone at the game who suggested fans were booing the decision not to bring Beavon on rather than booing Flanagan as such
Does that sound right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 13:56:18 GMT
I've just watched the highlights (and maybe I'm being far too nice) but as for the 'sitter' that Tom missed (as I thought at the time) Barnsley's defender flung himself in the way and IMO put Tom off. If you watch it from behind the goal, you can see what happened. The defender earned this week's wages throwing himself at that (well, some of them...) Yes, a striker would've probably scored it. They look easy from the stands, don't they. I'm as guilty as anyone.... And his second effort was a good bit of control and superb save from the 'keeper.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Nov 6, 2016 16:07:03 GMT
I spoke to someone at the game who suggested fans were booing the decision not to bring Beavon on rather than booing Flanagan as such Does that sound right? Yes 100% right. We all wanted Beavon. There was much chanting of his name. What a Shakespearean way to put it!!!! The boos were for Mr Clough, I believe. Not that he gave a hoot cos he's forgotten more about football than we (collectively) will ever know. If there'd been a noise for Flanagan coming on, it would've been an "uh-oh??!*$?", a bit like Scooby Doo used to do. You don't get Scooby Doo & Shakespeare thrown together very often...
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Post by sinfinbovril on Nov 6, 2016 16:09:26 GMT
I've just watched the highlights (and maybe I'm being far too nice) but as for the 'sitter' that Tom missed (as I thought at the time) Barnsley's defender flung himself in the way and IMO put Tom off. If you watch it from behind the goal, you can see what happened. The defender earned this week's wages throwing himself at that (well, some of them...) Yes, a striker would've probably scored it. They look easy from the stands, don't they. I'm as guilty as anyone.... And his second effort was a good bit of control and superb save from the 'keeper. If we're going to push this further, that turn / swivel that he did near the popside was sublime. Best piece of skill in the match.
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Post by trevor1946 on Nov 6, 2016 16:39:29 GMT
Yes i am right Flanagan is a Burton player .I remember he covered for Cansdell Sheriff,when he got injured, and kept him out untill he him self got injured. making Sheriff fight to get back into the team.This upset a few fans ,Now fans upset because,Clough feels Akins upfront is a better option,than Bevon, ,To stop the progress of Barnsley down our left flank with Hamill still on the bench,it was seen has a danger,Naylor required in midfield means Flanagan a good option,And Burton still found many scoring chances,with Flanagan in the thick of it.For Albion fans to boo.one of their own is a shame for the club. To boo a decision by the manager during a game is disrespectful To Burton Albion fc, To think Barnsley are a easy prey shows ignorance.This game was always a banana skin,and a point helps,our target. These games are often marred with a sting in the tail.Another game with out conceding a goal. 18th,in the championship 4 points of bottom 3 We should be cheering not boo ing,---Flanagan now off on international duty How,far have we come.
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Post by fergo on Nov 6, 2016 16:49:26 GMT
Exactly Trevor, any booing is negative whoever it happens to be directed at. We are all in it together - players, fans etc with a part to play to try and stay in the championship.
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Post by caley on Nov 6, 2016 17:06:13 GMT
A great game yesterday, I cannot believe we did not get at least 1 goal, talking with some Barnsley fans on the way back to the car they all thought that they were extremely lucky to come away with a point. One day it will click and someone will get a thumping, I think we have no reason to worry, we have a good squad in all positions, just a little luck and we will be back on track. What frustrates me is some of our own "supporters" when TF came on yesterday some were booing and moaning about him before he even took to the pitch. Yes he made a couple of small mistakes when he first came on, but that is what happens when you come off the bench into a very fast flowing game, he soon started to gain a little more confidence and I personally think he played well in a position he is not fully used to playing in. The so called miss was in fact fantastic defending any angle he had was taken away instantly. Yes we all have own favorite players and opinions, but we all go to support the team, and that includes all players, bring on the next game. COME ON YOU BREWERS.
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Post by Norah on Nov 6, 2016 19:53:15 GMT
Reaction from Barnsley website " I'm sure when we watch back there will be a lot of things to improve on."- Paul Heckingbottom “I thought we started strongest, we were the better team first half and Burton caused us more problems that we did them in the second half. “Adam Armstrong had a chance early on and we had a couple more in the first half hour. It’s similar to the Bristol City game really, we failed to take them and make the game easier for ourselves. They’ve beaten some good sides here Burton, and they make it really difficult for you. They put balls in the box and you have to defend them, whether that’s set plays or in general play. And we did that generally and then when they beat us we had Adam Davies to thank for two or three really good saves, he was terrific. I think when we watch them back we’ll see that his positioning was probably spot on. From a defensive point of view we’ll worry about how they’ve got across but the ones that were on target were generally the centre forwards running past the near post which sort of makes it easier for Davo – if he gets his angles right then it’s a difficult finish. We knew at some point that we’d have to defend our box, but we know that it could have and should have been easier for us by being in front. But that’s this league and we say it all along that it’s a big difference in this league and we have to be more clinical in front of goal. And you will get punished for mistakes at the other end.” “One thing we can improve on is organising and keeping the ball higher up the pitch, not dropping too deep, always being the right side, always talking to the winger in front of you or dealing with the ball wide. And through that you can limit a lot of balls going into the box. So I’m sure when we watch back there will be a lot of things to improve on. “We couldn’t get hold of the ball second half. They are a big physical side and they have got a way of playing which makes it really difficult at times. First half we were good, second half we couldn’t get hold of the ball. We made the change and got Josh Scowen on it – we had little spells of possession but it didn’t really work in the second half, even when we got the break and the counter attacks, we didn’t have the quality to get the final ball in and create chances.” Hecky was talking to www.barnsleyfc.co.uk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 10:16:22 GMT
Throughout my years following the brewers there have been lots of reasons to be proud of the club, the fans, everything.
Saturday made me not want to come back.
I've never been so gutted at my own set of fans as I was when Tom came on, whether you're booing Tom himself or whether you're booing the manager for making the change, YOU'RE BANG OUT OF ORDER. There is no place for booing your own.
I noticed NC giving the crowd a sarcastic clap when the boos rang out... how to piss off your own manager in one easy move. What must the lads think when fans do that?
I never understand why fans just can't accept the manager clearly doesn't fancy Beavon at this level and get on with their job of supporting whoever pulls on the yellow and black shirt.
The game itself, how we've not won is beyond me. Other than the Armstrong chance he blazed over, they've not caused us that much trouble at all, the number of chances we created second half was enough to have won two games. Flannagan played his part in that.
I thought Brayford was class, Turner over commits too often and while I like my centre halfs to be strong and tough tackling, I don't like them to be cheats and on Saturday Kyle cheated. Whether there was anything in the elbow or not I'm not sure as I haven't seen it back BUT what I did see was the stamp. Idiotic and no place for it, looks like we'll have to go through another spell of games without two central defenders, why can't they both take a leaf out of Brayfords book, throw himself at everything wins his headers, gets his blocks in but doesn't get booked doing it.
We were really unlucky in their box and couldn't buy a ball breaking to us but I'd still say the number of dangerous positions Lloyd Dyer got into, he's got to do better picking someone out.
I think it's time Big Tom Naylor started games again, Williamson is solid but prone to the occasional lapse and I really don't see the same energy levels that Tom has.
We could do with another goal scorer in January to help turn these dominant draws into wins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 10:40:31 GMT
Throughout my years following the brewers there have been lots of reasons to be proud of the club, the fans, everything. Saturday made me not want to come back. I've never been so gutted at my own set of fans as I was when Tom came on, whether you're booing Tom himself or whether you're booing the manager for making the change, YOU'RE BANG OUT OF ORDER. There is no place for booing your own. I noticed NC giving the crowd a sarcastic clap when the boos rang out... how to piss off your own manager in one easy move. What must the lads think when fans do that? I never understand why fans just can't accept the manager clearly doesn't fancy Beavon at this level and get on with their job of supporting whoever pulls on the yellow and black shirt. The game itself, how we've not won is beyond me. Other than the Armstrong chance he blazed over, they've not caused us that much trouble at all, the number of chances we created second half was enough to have won two games. Flannagan played his part in that. I thought Brayford was class, Turner over commits too often and while I like my centre halfs to be strong and tough tackling, I don't like them to be cheats and on Saturday Kyle cheated. Whether there was anything in the elbow or not I'm not sure as I haven't seen it back BUT what I did see was the stamp. Idiotic and no place for it, looks like we'll have to go through another spell of games without two central defenders, why can't they both take a leaf out of Brayfords book, throw himself at everything wins his headers, gets his blocks in but doesn't get booked doing it. We were really unlucky in their box and couldn't buy a ball breaking to us but I'd still say the number of dangerous positions Lloyd Dyer got into, he's got to do better picking someone out. I think it's time Big Tom Naylor started games again, Williamson is solid but prone to the occasional lapse and I really don't see the same energy levels that Tom has. We could do with another goal scorer in January to help turn these dominant draws into wins. Yes people on FB were qualifying comments about Flanagan by saying they were not booing Flanagan but Clough for bringing him on. So that's okay then?? #shakeshead As for Turner's booking on Saturday, he should be able to transfer that one to Matt P. Brayford was outstanding Saturday, walking away from the ground I went for Matt P, but on reflection Brayford was just class. I hope we can afford to get him permanently. I saw the McFadz 'stamp' at the time. It looks worse on TV. I defy the 4 officials not to have seen it at the time. That said, it doesn't seem to work like that and if he does get a 4 game ban, that would be 7 games out suspended before Christmas. Not good enough.
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