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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 23, 2016 13:29:56 GMT
I'm sorry but the i hate clough brigade are thicker than can be thought possible,When Derby went on to the playoffs,Maclaren got the credit,on making all nigel's signings. better players,And the best thing Derby did under Maclaren was to give the majority of Cloughi signings longer contracts with a pay rise. the only permanent signing of any quality in Maclarens 18month reign,was Thorne,and he cost over 2 million,Double what nigel had spent on a p;layer,in,four and a half years..and 8 of his signings went on to full international honours with their country's,plus set up the academy,with Darren Wassell,and brought youngsters,Hendrick--Hanson, , Will Hughes--Bennett--,into first team squad,,Now,in a effort to move on,Mel Morris with mega millions,in this new effort to get out of the Championship.We spend,more on ONE player than Nigel Clough spent on four and a half years at the club,2 years of that spent reducing the dept,,, Robbie Savage bless him,on the news of Nigels dismissal said someone is going to get a lot of credit,for a very good squad of players,and a club financially sound, And Maclaren did,.The new south stand at Derby for home fans Clough backed the idea right from the start and did all that was possible to make it happen. The juggernaut that is coming,work in progress for Nigel,Sheff Utd,--A squad in progress by Clough,but still with a lot of quality,Brayford--Basham--Done-Coults-Flynn- Scougall-Freeman-Harris-Baxter,of course-Sammon ,Slow start because of a change in management, Derby is history --Sheff Utd,according to trolls failure is cloughs fault--Success down to Adkins----Burton albion according to trolls,If the club fails cloughs fault,if it succeeds down to J-F-H -- In a world of anti CLOUGH sorry but he has got to fail
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 20:11:58 GMT
Well, hands up, I for one do not know Nigel's history as closely as many others on here as I haven't followed his career that closely. And I am certainly not a Nigel hater because I have no reason to be. But looking at it rationally I think the "i love clough brigade could be accused of being thicker than can be thought possible as well (not sure what you mean by thicker Trevor, but I mean 'bonded' not 'dumb'). Anything he did prior to retuning to BAFC in December 2015 is history to me and has no bearing on what we should be discussing right now. IMO.
To those who say we are now playing differently in the midfield and up front, I don't agree. The only games where we haven't used two holding midfielders (in the same formation Jimmy used, 4-1-1-3-1 (with the 1-1 usually being a rotating Robbie/Naylor combo) was against Blackpool (when O'Connor and Butcher started on the bench) and today against Shrews (when O'Connor had to replace an injured SCS in the back line) when it was 4-1-4-1 in those 2 games. We sometimes have subbed a striker for a midfielder late on and switched to 4-1-3-2 but I can't remember the last time we started a game in an attacking formation with 2 strikers. I remember Beavs and Timmy starting a game once I think.
But again, I think it's too early to be over-analyzing Nigel's performance at BAFC.
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Post by uttoxbrewer on Jan 23, 2016 20:43:23 GMT
I think another thing which has changed since Nigel was last here are his aspirations as to what he has achieved/can achieve as a manager. When he left in 2009 to join Derby I honestly thought (wrongly as it turned out) that this would be a stepping stone to him ending up being the England manager (a job his Dad should have got).
As has been pointed out in previous posts, Nigel took on a financial basket case at Derby, a club who were then in freefall heading for League One. Under his stewardship, they didn't get relegated and he steadied the ship spending very little on players (certainly a lot less than McClaren and Clement since he left), helped develop the youth players (Hughes, Hendrick, Bennett etc) and given further time and funds he might have taken Derby to the next level. I guess we'll never know though now.
Whilst I thought his sacking by Derby was harsh, his sacking by Sheffield United was stupid. He took on a big club, in the relegation zone in League One, turned it around to take them to an FA Cup Semi Final at Wembley and only just missed out on the play-offs. Second season he got them to the play offs, so another season of improvement. Third season, he would have rightly been expected to get them promoted, but he never got the chance to finish the job. I guess we'll never though though now.
Again, has been pointed out in previous posts in this thread, there were plenty of ungrateful, impatient fans at these two big clubs who expected and demanded instant success. We know from his first time here that Nigel is not the man for a quick fix, he builds foundations for teams and clubs over a longer period of time. Every club he's managed he's left in a better place than when he took it on.
It's a particular annoyance of mine that football managers don't get the time required to build anything anymore but IMO Burton's gain is these club's loss. Nigel's back home, where he belongs and don't worry, losing today isn't the end of the world. He'll look to Tuesday to put it right.
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 23, 2016 21:19:05 GMT
Well, hands up, I for one do not know Nigel's history as closely as many others on here as I haven't followed his career that closely. And I am certainly not a Nigel hater because I have no reason to be. But looking at it rationally I think the "i love clough brigade could be accused of being thicker than can be thought possible as well (not sure what you mean by thicker Trevor, but I mean 'bonded' not 'dumb'). Anything he did prior to retuning to BAFC in December 2015 is history to me and has no bearing on what we should be discussing right now. IMO. To those who say we are now playing differently in the midfield and up front, I don't agree. The only games where we haven't used two holding midfielders (in the same formation Jimmy used, 4-1-1-3-1 (with the 1-1 usually being a rotating Robbie/Naylor combo) was against Blackpool (when O'Connor and Butcher started on the bench) and today against Shrews (when O'Connor had to replace an injured SCS in the back line) when it was 4-1-4-1 in those 2 games. We sometimes have subbed a striker for a midfielder late on and switched to 4-1-3-2 but I can't remember the last time we started a game in an attacking formation with 2 strikers. I remember Beavs and Timmy starting a game once I think. But again, I think it's too early to be over-analyzing Nigel's performance at BAFC. Is the bandwagon ready to roll?
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Post by bennyboy on Jan 23, 2016 21:24:11 GMT
To quote Utoxbrewer
"Every club he's managed he's left in a better place than when he took it on"
So that bodes well for us then.
I still say he has only tweaked a few things but not masively changed anything. He may have another tweak for Tues, just a small one in midfield, we know what, or rather who that will be as he's already said so.
This thread seems to have gone off topic a bit. I know I have put my thoughts in too but what Nige has done previously is history, it's about the here and now.
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 23, 2016 21:59:10 GMT
Having listened to the pre-match interviews from Radio Derby with both David Oldfield and Andy Garner over the last few months then that tends to confirm the formations we are playing.
Andy has said at a few games recently that we are lining up in a 4-1-4-1 formation so it is not just today that Nigel has sent his team out like that. At Coventry last week when we were defending if was fairly obvious we had two banks of four with Anto in between screening.
David also confirmed pre-millwall that they had tweaked the formation to counter Millwall.
Under Jimmy it was more of a two in front shielding the back four. Neither got forward that much. Blackpool was 442 and millwall 4141.
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