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Post by swaddy Dave on Jan 22, 2016 9:59:22 GMT
Well I for one never dreamt we would be in this position coming towards the end of January but I am now beginning to believe that we can actually do this, Earlier in the season we were scraping wins without playing particularly well (which is great and undoubtedly how leagues are won) but now we are winning and playing well, agreed we may have a dip in form at some stage but I have not seen anyone so far to be scared of, Walsall away and Peterborough at home in the cup we were beaten soundly and Sheff U gave us a good game in the 0-0 draw, we have got some more big tests on the way and we won't win them all but I am quite confident that we won't implode, we will carry on doing the best we can which up to now has been brilliant, starting with 3 points against the Shrews. COYB. Swaddy a proud believer. Oh and by the way, I don't need to be cautious or risk being over confident because I am not actually playing in the games.
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Post by observer on Jan 22, 2016 10:57:07 GMT
Well I for one never dreamt we would be in this position coming towards the end of January but I am now beginning to believe that we can actually do this, Earlier in the season we were scraping wins without playing particularly well (which is great and undoubtedly how leagues are won) but now we are winning and playing well, agreed we may have a dip in form at some stage but I have not seen anyone so far to be scared of, Walsall away and Peterborough at home in the cup we were beaten soundly and Sheff U gave us a good game in the 0-0 draw, we have got some more big tests on the way and we won't win them all but I am quite confident that we won't implode, we will carry on doing the best we can which up to now has been brilliant, starting with 3 points against the Shrews. COYB. Swaddy a proud believer. Oh and by the way, I don't need to be cautious or risk being over confident because I am not actually playing in the games. I do have to be cautious as I have an incredible ability to jinx stuff when I make predictions that are too positive!! I never bet on my own teams to win anything. No matter how confident I am. Guaranteed to lose if I do. Learnt that lesson years ago.
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Post by swaddy Dave on Jan 22, 2016 11:02:09 GMT
I can guarantee you Observer that nothing you or I do or say will have any bearing on the outcome of the Brewers games or league position.
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Post by observer on Jan 22, 2016 11:21:08 GMT
I can guarantee you Observer that nothing you or I do or say will have any bearing on the outcome of the Brewers games or league position. I need more therapy than that for my jinx phobia!
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 22, 2016 11:55:17 GMT
Idiot Derby and Sheffield United fans and owners do not deserve Nigel Clough. The constant bemoaning of "negative Nigel" and "non-league Nigel" only highlights their total and utter lack of understanding of the game of football, and more importantly, their lack of reality and delusional sense of self-importance based on nostalgia, here say and fiscal irresponsibility. The (already fantastic) football and sound business acumen displayed in Burton upon Trent has (once again) only been improved further by the very presence of Sir Nigel of Clough. Hold on a minute,many Derby fans have also followed the Brewers,and attend matches,it was not Derby fans who moved Nigel on but a change of direction by the board, and the new C-E=O-Sam rush.Nigel Clough has always had to live with the shadow of his father,and because of this he is a wonderful target for social media abuse Nigel Clough has respect throughout the football world with his knowledge of the game,and his principles,,To take on a poisoned chalice ,with Burton in the clouds,and the only way is down ,Shows the man has no fear of failure,And for many his stature as increased. The majority of Derby,and Sheff Utd fans did respect Nigel as their manager,The problem is he is the boss,and a lot of people in today's game dont like it That's why head coaches are so popular in the modern game.Plus he doesn't travel well,he is a home bird
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 12:05:51 GMT
And also it is a bit early yet to make the comparison. 46/48 though LOL What has changed.... Remi, JBW and seemingly Deano and Matt(loan) are gone Bywater is signed and on the bench Bennett has come in on loan Nassers flame seems to have faded, he doesn't look happy and I think he needs to move on. brewerdownsouth nailed it, he is playing based on the players/team he inherited, and he is enjoying it. This team couldn't play in the corners if they tried, they are an attacking team. As mentioned above Nigel was hopping when Timmy crossed the ball instead of killing time vs Swindon?, he also did the same vs Coventry late on when Reilly tried to get the ball to Bennett for our 3rd goal. If that had worked 1532 fans would have gone ballistic, if Reilly had taken the ball to the corner we would have been screaming at him for being an idiot. Agree with funky that the 46/48 stat is laughable, and that it is too early to be over analyzing Nigel's performance (4 games is too soon ). I Don't agree with the 2 holding midfielders thing though. The only game Nigel hasn't used 3 central midfielders (from Weir, Naylor, Butcher, O'Connor) was Blackpool when he started Akins, Nasser and Duffy,with Robbie and Naylor, in midfield and that was the game Robbie took 2 yellows. I think Jimmys chages to tactics and nuances are the key to how well the team has been over the last 14 months. Replacing Sharps and Bell with Moose and Robbie, as well as bringing in Duffy, Naylor, Nasser, Butcher, Reilly and Theile has made us the team we currently are. I look forward to seeing Mason Bennett show more of what he has to offer, and I am a tad optimistic of another move or two on the horizon, certainly cover at leftback but hopefully something a little more exciting. I think it has been pretty much status quo, as Nigel himself said there is no need to change anything, or much it appears to be right now. The boys continue to play very well and as a team, with passion, and their physical fitness over 90+ minutes is keeping us a step ahead of the opposition. We'll see how things evolve if/when Nigel makes more changes to the squad. Looking forward to the next 3+ months, we just need to keep believing and keep the train moving. I agree that the change is subtle, I believe though there has been a subtle slightly more attacking role for one of the two holding midfielders and Butcher certainly when he has played in the centre has had an advanced role. Two early to make a proper judgement, but a0 it is looking good so far b) it has been was seamless as when JFH took over from Rowett c) it is great and d) 46/48 is a bit cheeky, but it is factually correct.
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 22, 2016 12:08:40 GMT
For me the one thing that has tactically changed (and to be fair Jimmy did it in his final match against Millwall but that was probably the only time he did) is that we have gone from a 4-2-3-1 to more of a 4-1-4-1 formation.
Under Jimmy we almost always had two defensive midfielders in front of the back four with an attacking three behinf Bev.
Nowadays it seems we have either Robbie or Anthony in front of the back four and Naylor and Butch play as more of a conventional central midfield pairing and which, by his own admission has allowed Butch to get forward a lot more in to the box and score some goals.
It certainly seems, and the stats appear to bear that out, that we are slightly more attacking at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 12:25:42 GMT
For me the one thing that has tactically changed (and to be fair Jimmy did it in his final match against Millwall but that was probably the only time he did) is that we have gone from a 4-2-3-1 to more of a 4-1-4-1 formation. Under Jimmy we almost always had two defensive midfielders in front of the back four with an attacking three behinf Bev. Nowadays it seems we have either Robbie or Anthony in front of the back four and Naylor and Butch play as more of a conventional central midfield pairing and which, by his own admission has allowed Butch to get forward a lot more in to the box and score some goals. It certainly seems, and the stats appear to bear that out, that we are slightly more attacking at the moment. That is what I meant to say :-D
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 22, 2016 12:37:36 GMT
I think we were probaly typing at around the same time mate. Your comment definitely wasnt there when I started writing mine!
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Post by claymillman on Jan 22, 2016 12:39:11 GMT
I agree Funky, the most obvious visible change is the advanced positions of Butcher, and his 3 goals contribution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 13:19:16 GMT
Yes it is true but surely it must get harder or tougher than this? So far this season is easier than last? Don't know what happened above here? Yes it has been going almost too well to believe. Not sure that it's easier, maybe we have been together awhile now and have gelled? Dunno. I agree it will get tougher as many teams around us, P'boro and Southend recently, are signing players from higher divisions. But, like this time last year I feel pretty confident that we will be there or damn close come May.
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Post by bennyboy on Jan 22, 2016 13:54:00 GMT
Nothing much has changed under Nige, the odd tweak here and there, we keep doing mainly what we did with JFH
Forget the opposition, forget the formations or if we sign or don't sign any more players, I'm sure Nige has all that covered each and every time.
The only worry I have is if our 3 key players sustain an injury and miss too many games as a result.
The Moose, Beavs and Jon McLaughlin are absolute rocks to this team, that's not to say others aren't and would be missed. It's just those three are and have been key to this team, whichever team has been put out there. We've seen other positions in the team changed but those 3 are in my opinion the rocks of the team. Special mention also to Phil Edwards too, another Mr reliable, 100% grafter.
If most stay fit and play we can do this, surely it's only a massive blip in form by some of those mentioned that will cause us problems between now and the end of the season, I can't see that happening.
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Post by observer on Jan 22, 2016 13:54:13 GMT
On paper League 1 looked scary with 4 relegation positions etc
And just 2 automatic
We all remember the huge scrap for automatic last season when there were 3 spots
It's all good at the moment but I just think it's got to get harder for us.
Always a big element of luck in football as well. Hopefully ours is all good!
Momentum helps
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Post by claymillman on Jan 22, 2016 14:25:36 GMT
Regarding the Rams situation. I agree with Trevor1946. It was Sam Rush who got rid of NC, not their fans. He was "searching for a new direction". I doubt there is much love or respect from NC to SR. At the time there was quite a lot of disquiet echoed by the Derby Telegraph I recall. Anyway the Rams and Blades losses are our gain.
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Post by bennyboy on Jan 22, 2016 14:49:29 GMT
Regarding the Rams situation. I agree with Trevor1946. It was Sam Rush who got rid of NC, not their fans. He was "searching for a new direction". I doubt there is much love or respect from NC to SR. At the time there was quite a lot of disquiet echoed by the Derby Telegraph I recall. Anyway the Rams and Blades losses are our gain. I heard it was "non league Nigel" can't be the one to take us forward, then it was "negative Nigel" towards the end of his reign at Derby. All this used to go over my head being a Brewer in a Derby world of football. I'm absolutely delighted he's back where he started. I live and worked in Derby, don't work now but I hear Paul Clement gets a right ear bashing sometimes and all was rosy until this time last year with Maclaren. Just glad our current and past 2/3/4 managers have been consistently taking us in the right direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 18:03:34 GMT
Nothing much has changed under Nige, the odd tweak here and there, we keep doing mainly what we did with JFH Forget the opposition, forget the formations or if we sign or don't sign any more players, I'm sure Nige has all that covered each and every time. The only worry I have is if our 3 key players sustain an injury and miss too many games as a result. The Moose, Beavs and Jon McLaughlin are absolute rocks to this team, that's not to say others aren't and would be missed. It's just those three are and have been key to this team, whichever team has been put out there. We've seen other positions in the team changed but those 3 are in my opinion the rocks of the team. Special mention also to Phil Edwards too, another Mr reliable, 100% grafter. If most stay fit and play we can do this, surely it's only a massive blip in form by some of those mentioned that will cause us problems between now and the end of the season, I can't see that happening. I would add Robbie Weir to the list of rocks. POTY for me so far, but Beavs and Moose are a coin toss away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 21:58:01 GMT
Regarding the Rams situation. I agree with Trevor1946. It was Sam Rush who got rid of NC, not their fans. He was "searching for a new direction". I doubt there is much love or respect from NC to SR. At the time there was quite a lot of disquiet echoed by the Derby Telegraph I recall. Anyway the Rams and Blades losses are our gain. I heard it was "non league Nigel" can't be the one to take us forward, then it was "negative Nigel" towards the end of his reign at Derby. All this used to go over my head being a Brewer in a Derby world of football. I'm absolutely delighted he's back where he started. I live and worked in Derby, don't work now but I hear Paul Clement gets a right ear bashing sometimes and all was rosy until this time last year with Maclaren. Just glad our current and past 2/3/4 managers have been consistently taking us in the right direction. Yes, I also work in Derby for half the week (Nottingham the other half of the week) and I know many Derby County supporters. None of them have anything positive to say about NC and feel he was "out of his depth at what is really a Premiership club" to quote one, erm..., person. In addition the Forest fans I work with were quite shocked that I welcomed him back. Both sets of "supporters" tried to take the mickey when JFH left and both sets of supporters still act like supporting The Brewers is a bit of a joke. I actually don't mind people from Derby supporting Derby. Even if they are deluded and arrogant. The Burton lot though are the ones who don't bother going to watch the Rams, moan about Burton Albion when we are not doing so well and ride on the glory hunter train when we are. SMALL PRINT : exceptions may exist. I cant wait to play Derby in the league. Even if they thrash us home and away, I will laugh in their faces. It will still be a joy just to witness them squirm at having to play little old Burton.
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 23, 2016 11:02:02 GMT
There seems to be some politics not far under the surface of this thread so I will tread carefully but to me Nigel was on a hiding to nothing when he took the job and has done a very good job thus far. Long may that be the case. People who are saying nothing has changed are wrong, as Ian says above our midfield has been reorganised and we are now deploying only one holding player rather than two and it has given us more attacking options. I also feel he was terribly unfortunate at Derby, where he was recruited to slash an out of control wage bill and he did that brilliantly. Until Sam Rush secured new investment and had a complete change of strategy. I wish everyone would give the bloke a chance.
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Post by etonparker64 on Jan 23, 2016 11:41:17 GMT
Both Nigel and Burton Albion have got the outstanding opportunity to prove to all those people in Burton and Derby and in the media that they are the real deal. Nigel can show the Derby and Sheffield united supporters that he is a top quality manager with all the skills that could have seen them escape the league they are in, if only the supporters and the clubs had fully understood the situation they are in and supported him. Meanwhile, the club can hopefully lose the tag of being the little club down the road and that the kids and youths in the Burton and South Derbyshire area can support the club without being laughed at and considered as some sort of second rate football supporters. we are now building our "history" and the loyal following which more established league clubs have.We have built up our core support in the last 5 years from around 1,500 to 3,000 and if we can start to attract that large group of local football supporters who have gone up the road to support to support Derby we can then really establish ourselves. i think everyone can sense that something special is happening and we are beginning to get a little more of the respect that we are due. Football is changing and the Burton Way, as set up by Ben, is clearly a new way forward for clubs outside the premiership and i hope that more local people see this and support it. i hope more people will become more vocal and talk up our great club and the wonderful team that we have assembled.
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Post by insideleft on Jan 23, 2016 11:57:17 GMT
I always thought Nigel played attacking football with 2 wide players, full backs bombing on etc etc remember Gilroy, Webster, Corbett etc probably a 4-4-2.
I think he has changed the style, we are more attacking, we don't play with a lone striker on the downside we have been a little more exposed at the back.
As for running the game down in the closing minutes, that's the same the world over.
All going well for me.
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