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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 23:09:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 23:11:25 GMT
Further proof there are some decent folk on Facebook, there is only that Herb guy that talks rubbish - edit there are meant to be lots of emoticons to suggest that last point was friendly banter, didn't work though...
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Post by mikeyboy on Dec 6, 2015 7:58:35 GMT
There is the old adage 'you should never go back' and perhaps that and knowing Nigel well is strongly influencing Jamie's thinking.
For me I actually agree with him that there might be another young, thrusting manager who could pick up the gauntlet thrown down by Jimmy and do equally as well, but being a betting man, I know that the odds would be stacked against that as Jimmy WAS exceptional and his win percentage of 64% is incredible.
Ben must also realise that his odds of picking another winner are not as strong as they were (it would be unrealistic to think he could always get it right). So now is the time not to gamble again.
So looking at it objectively, there is a manager with an excellent LONGTERM record, of success at 3 different clubs, living within 15 miles of our ground, someone who has managed at this level before this year, but also a division higher for 5 years. This person, is tried and tested, is incredibly well known to Ben, has a brilliant track record of year on year incremental progress, has strong work ethics, plays the game in the right way and comes from a wonderful football family.
He is an OUTSTANDING candidate anyway, but also happens to know the club, worked here with distinction for over 10 years, helped build the ground (literally) and took us to two promotions.
As Chairman wouldn't you move heaven and earth to get this person as your manager, if you could? Damn right you would, it's a no brainer!!!
Welcome back Nigel and Ben, please let's tie up the loose ends about the back room staff before Nottingham Forest or anyone else sticks their oar in. It is a different kind of appointment - but in current circumstances it's the right one.
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Post by brewersinramland on Dec 6, 2015 8:16:19 GMT
I agree - beautifully written and has many of the fears we all share I'm sure. At the moment the rose-tinted specs are on and all I can think about are those moments as runaway leaders in the Conference and Nigel's comment that whilst we didn't have any of the best players we did have the best team. I have to force myself to remember low points when the banners were out from some and those times when the frustrations of holding on to a 1-0 and players in strange positions on the field irritated. Come Gillingham will I be shouting "sort it out Cloughie", who knows? Perhaps we have to ignore his past experience with a tinpot pub team and look at what he's done in recent years. Delivered financial stability, major cup semi-finals, play-off, encouraged emerging youth and had players signing for him who should be playing in a higher division. I think that bloke who was building something with the Sheep and the Blades is worth signing up and I look forward to seeing what he can do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 8:58:54 GMT
Great stuff, funky, mikeyboy and brewersdownsouth, to be honest whatever happens nothing will destroy the legend of those first 10 years.
We are very fortunate in my opinion to get a manager of his calibre for a second time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 9:13:34 GMT
That's a great read! The one thing I have my doubts about are the increased attendances, at least in the short term. If the saying success breeds success holds true then they should increase slowly and hopefully the younger generation continue to come and bring their kids. It has been said that ticket sales are not a big part of the financial shape of the club but fans in the seats and vocal support are one of the important parts of the overall view of a club from outsiders, tv coverage etc.
Let's help keep the momentum going!
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Post by mikeyboy on Dec 6, 2015 9:49:49 GMT
That's a great read! The one thing I have my doubts about are the increased attendances, at least in the short term. If the saying success breeds success holds true then they should increase slowly and hopefully the younger generation continue to come and bring their kids. It has been said that ticket sales are not a big part of the financial shape of the club but fans in the seats and vocal support are one of the important parts of the overall view of a club from outsiders, tv coverage etc. Let's help keep the momentum going! Peacock I can't recall what the crowd was on the 24th Oct 1998 for Nigel's first match as a manager but I was there and I seem to think it was 700 and odd (maybe Terraceman will tell me!). Since that point we have seen crowds quadruple to their current level and we should be very proud of that. We are a small club from a small town, only founded in 1950 and in the crowded catchment area of Derby, Leicester, Stoke, WBA, Wolves, Birmingham, Villa, Nottingham Forest etc We are building slowly and carefully - and another great appointment will help that process continue. That's my opinion anyway! |
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Post by insideleft on Dec 6, 2015 10:50:51 GMT
Yes it is an excellent read and I think he hits the nail on the head.............Cloughie is deservedly a legend at the Albion and none of us want that to change. He did for us what his Dad did for Derby all those years ago.
We are punching above our weight as our club. We've poor crowds. I know Nigel will try and play a more attractive brand of football. We all need to be realistic and pleasingly most of us over 30 years old probably will be !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 13:49:26 GMT
That's a great read! The one thing I have my doubts about are the increased attendances, at least in the short term. If the saying success breeds success holds true then they should increase slowly and hopefully the younger generation continue to come and bring their kids. It has been said that ticket sales are not a big part of the financial shape of the club but fans in the seats and vocal support are one of the important parts of the overall view of a club from outsiders, tv coverage etc. Let's help keep the momentum going! Peacock I can't recall what the crowd was on the 24th Oct 1998 for Nigel's first match as a manager but I was there and I seem to think it was 700 and odd (maybe Terraceman will tell me!). Since that point we have seen crowds quadruple to their current level and we should be very proud of that. We are a small club from a small town, only founded in 1950 and in the crowded catchment area of Derby, Leicester, Stoke, WBA, Wolves, Birmingham, Villa, Nottingham Forest etc We are building slowly and carefully - and another great appointment will help that process continue. That's my opinion anyway! Spot on that Mikeyboy, yes crowds were around that figure, even before this time we were able to draw in big crowds for FA Cup and FA Trophy, and I mean bigger crowds that we got against Peterborough in the FA Cup a few weeks back. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 22:17:16 GMT
That's a great read! The one thing I have my doubts about are the increased attendances, at least in the short term. If the saying success breeds success holds true then they should increase slowly and hopefully the younger generation continue to come and bring their kids. It has been said that ticket sales are not a big part of the financial shape of the club but fans in the seats and vocal support are one of the important parts of the overall view of a club from outsiders, tv coverage etc. Let's help keep the momentum going! Peacock I can't recall what the crowd was on the 24th Oct 1998 for Nigel's first match as a manager but I was there and I seem to think it was 700 and odd (maybe Terraceman will tell me!). Since that point we have seen crowds quadruple to their current level and we should be very proud of that. We are a small club from a small town, only founded in 1950 and in the crowded catchment area of Derby, Leicester, Stoke, WBA, Wolves, Birmingham, Villa, Nottingham Forest etc We are building slowly and carefully - and another great appointment will help that process continue. That's my opinion anyway! The Conference stats in the attached file are from Wiki, the rest are right off the football league website. If your figure of 700 is right then it would appear that our fanbase grew from 700 in 1998 to just under 1800 in the 2008-09 season, during the conference years. Then they took a big jump to over 3000 in 2009-10 , but dropped off until last season when the average went back over 3K, probably due to the great season we had with promotion, league champions and all. Let's hope it continues to grow! Avg Attendances2.txt (707 B) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 22:36:15 GMT
When I used to go occasionally, 1990 onwards, 600 was a good crowd.
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Post by mikeyboy on Dec 6, 2015 23:10:26 GMT
The 700 crowd for the Grantham game was probably considerably swelled by Nigel's appointment. We had 400 ish crowds even in the Neil Warnock years.
Anyone know our lowest ever opening day crowd?
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Post by porky on Dec 7, 2015 0:34:12 GMT
I don't.
I can remember watching us play Moore green on a very foggy night in the bsc , with an attendance of around 100 but I don't know the answer to your question .
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Post by mikeyboy on Dec 7, 2015 7:48:10 GMT
The lowest opening day crowd Porky was just 288 in August - exactly 10% of the figure for our last home game against Millwall for a midweek game in December. Sometimes it is easy to be critical but we have grown our fan base substantially.
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