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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 6:54:52 GMT
Gentlemen, I made the decision to delete the latter part of my post myself, it maybe is a subject for discussion but on thinking it through perhaps this forum is not the place. I most certainly don't want to cause any grief to this forum or the admin and most definitely do not want to suffer any consequences my self. The subject is a matter of debate on other forums but mainly by other clubs supporters. In general Brewerstalk is an excellent forum where in the main we debate and chat all things Burton Albion without degenerating into abuse of each other and something we should all be proud of. We are all passionate about our club. Finally in embarrassment I have to hold my hand up and say that after checking the maths(this time on a calculator) my original post on average attendances is incorrect, we look like having an average attendance of around 3,500 not 4,000 ! Many apologies for the mistake. Certainly I will be hoping next years average is over the 4,000 mark ! The Terraceman
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Post by swaddy Dave on Apr 17, 2015 7:04:00 GMT
There is no debate to be had, the number announced by the club is the number of fans attended.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 7:11:45 GMT
On a separate and very positive note. On Wednesday I sat at far end of the stand next to the Carlisle fans. After first half finished we decided to move to the home end standing as we knew that most of the game was going to be down there. To get there we had to walk across just in front of the hospitality suite and private boxes as the walkway is blocked near the tunnels. It was great to see that the large hospitality room was really busy and ALL of the boxes were full and buzzing A great sign that we have a strong commercial team at the club We do so many things so well At my most local club - Forest barely half the exec boxes are used on any given match apart from Derby and that's at Championship level Food looked good when I looked in - I might try the box hospitality at some stage next season I did the hospitality for the Accy game, having 'won' a meal for four in a charity auction (Paul Calladine's charity for defibrillators). The food was excellent and there was plenty to go round, the services was excellent, really positive young people doing a great job. On that day there must have been about 200 people sat down for a meal, not including the private boxes. The wine is priced reasonably, certainly I've paid more in average restaurants and you are made to feel special, free programme, team sheets, the occasional player popping in. I think the normal cost is £35 (correct me if I am wrong) for a three course meal, plus cheese and biscuits at half time and of course your seat for the game. I will certainly be looking to do it once a season and it is indicative of how the club continues to maximise income. I was in the hospitality for the Histon game in the promotion season. The Histon chairman came into room and was heard to remark, rather sadly that the number we were feeding that day was more than they got for a home game! That was a great day too, super Roy Mac!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 9:17:16 GMT
There is no debate to be had, the number announced by the club is the number of fans attended. Exactly, that was my point! How could they fiddle the numbers without being exposed by auditors? I don't think our chairman, especially considering his profession, is that way inclined.
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Post by observer on Apr 17, 2015 13:46:04 GMT
I reckon there's a secret tunnel somewhere that nobody knows about!!
500 sneak in every week for nothing
Lol
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Post by E7#9 on Apr 17, 2015 15:42:32 GMT
I count everyone in the ground every home game and I can confirm that the attendance figures are always 100% accurate.
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Post by E7#9 on Apr 17, 2015 15:43:55 GMT
I reckon there's a secret tunnel somewhere that nobody knows about!! 500 sneak in every week for nothing Lol If the tunnel is secret and nobody knows about it, how do the 500 find it?
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Post by observer on Apr 17, 2015 15:57:22 GMT
I reckon there's a secret tunnel somewhere that nobody knows about!! 500 sneak in every week for nothing Lol If the tunnel is secret and nobody knows about it, how do the 500 find it? They are led to it with blindfolds on
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Post by E7#9 on Apr 17, 2015 17:32:31 GMT
Who leads them there?
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Post by claymillman on Apr 17, 2015 18:38:23 GMT
I believe our figures are accurate. Why understate figures? What point does it serve? These days we can only use a percentage of revenue on players wages, so down rating attendances,(and therefore income),becomes counterproductive. It would not enable the club to avoid corporation tax, because we can hardly make sufficient profit to be of concern. We would be leaving ourselves open to punishment if discovered. We are I believe simply a well run club, that knows how best to operate just nicely within its means. I consider myself quite decent at guessing the gate, but I am often quite a bit out. It is quite difficult to do. What is clear is that we do have excellent commercial input at the matches usually, as well as the general income from the Stadium. I would though like to know the away following at each match via the announcer.
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Post by cbh1 on Apr 17, 2015 19:17:58 GMT
I would though like to know the away following at each match via the announcer. I will ask whether next season we can have the away attendance to read out as well. Back to the subject, obviously there are often a lot of people in hospitality/scouts etc. Not all of these will go through a turnstile to get in. Eg they go through reception and upstairs that way. Those in hospitality will have paid for packages including tickets so I am not sure if their income is included in 'hospitality' or gate receipts in the accounts. As previously mentioned all the turnstiles are computerised giving a readout of how many in total have come through which is then reconciled back to receipts/tickets.......hence why the attendance is not always that early being read out at the game.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 17, 2015 19:19:57 GMT
Just to get it absolutely right it is individual contributors being taken to court by the Oystons the owners of Blackpool Football Club, not Another View From the Tower the fans forum. This is for libel and defamation of character - a third fan was made to pay £20,000 yesterday and to issue an apology to settle out of court. They were originally sued for £150k in each instance. Two had also settled out of court previously. One guy David Ragozzino is sticking out for a court hearing as he believes the Oystons would want that like a hole in the head. As they would be called as witness's. It is however wise to be cautious and prudent on what's being said by all if us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 19:37:38 GMT
That's a secret! but it appears that it does exist!! "Pirelli's new tunnel could be to blame for some teams' troubles, according to a technical expert. Southend and York, who last year were among the standouts of the midfield and are now scrambling for results in 2015. Referring to Southend and York technical expert Mike Hammer writes: "Both teams now believe they know where the problem lies. "It has to do with the new Pirelli tunnel which has a great influence on the aerodynamics. Pirelli's Paul Hembery insisted: "We are talking about eleven teams with eleven different tunnels. "It is not easy to build good tunnels," he added. The theory would explain why teams who made significant changes over the winter have disproportionately suffered so far this season."
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Post by johnno on Apr 17, 2015 19:46:18 GMT
Some of the fans slagging off our attendances don't even look at towns and cities population eg.Luton population 250,000 and get an average 7,000 at home we get average 3,000 and our population is around 60,000 clueless. BOT population was over 72,000 in 2011 census and that doesn't include any surrounding towns and villages eg. Swad, Gresley, Uttoxeter, Tutbury, Barton, Alrewas and many more, so it's potentially not far off 100,000. The main problem remains the historic support for the Sheep and a few other clubs like Leicester, Forest, Villa, Stoke etc. It's on the change though and promotion to League One will see it continue to do so. Let's hope Derby stay down?
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Post by observer on Apr 18, 2015 5:38:46 GMT
I would though like to know the away following at each match via the announcer. I will ask whether next season we can have the away attendance to read out as well. Back to the subject, obviously there are often a lot of people in hospitality/scouts etc. Not all of these will go through a turnstile to get in. Eg they go through reception and upstairs that way. Those in hospitality will have paid for packages including tickets so I am not sure if their income is included in 'hospitality' or gate receipts in the accounts. As previously mentioned all the turnstiles are computerised giving a readout of how many in total have come through which is then reconciled back to receipts/tickets.......hence why the attendance is not always that early being read out at the game. I've mentioned this before - there must be 300 to 400 people approx in hospitality They all go through the main doors where there is no turnstile [br Obviously the club will know how many places they have sold but they may not show them in the attendance I believe many of these sit in the seats at the top of the stand (the posher seats!) So it's a potential explanation for that stand looking to be busy but a good number not counted in official attendance
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Post by observer on Apr 18, 2015 5:41:47 GMT
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 18, 2015 9:08:49 GMT
Quiote:
"As previously mentioned all the turnstiles are computerised giving a readout of how many in total have come through which is then reconciled back to receipts/tickets.......hence why the attendance is not always that early being read out at the game. [/quote]
I've mentioned this before - there must be 300 to 400 people approx in hospitality
They all go through the main doors where there is no turnstile"
Obviously the club will know how many places they have sold but they may not show them in the attendance
I believe many of these sit in the seats at the top of the stand (the posher seats!)
So it's a potential explanation for that stand looking to be busy but a good number not counted in official attendance[/quote]
Those 300 or so in the Albion Suite at £56 a throw plus those in the boxes at £58 (+VAT) and the sponsorships of the match, match ball, programme, mascot packages etc may raise more revenue than the pay on the gate people, of say 1500 at an average price of say £12. So an important source of revenue and even more important if we can get over the line into League 1. With season ticket revenue sustaining us throughout the summer I guess.
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