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Post by emnez on Apr 19, 2020 21:22:12 GMT
As I have written before, beware the motives of the EFL, the clubs and the players. Money and business reasons seem to be way ahead of health. One also hears 'we have to get this season finished' and 'we have to get it completed because of the start of the 20 / 21 season' and 'the European Championship being scheduled for the summer of 2021 means that we must xyz' NO, YOU DON'T ! As an aside, I really want to meet the person who is more disinterested than I in the videos of professional footballers 'coping with lockdown'. I really couldn't give a toss. And that goes for all of the celebrity videos out there too. I hope people re-evaluate how they see footballers / celebrities in these troubled times and develop a new outlook when life returns to normal. Rather than fawning over some kissing the badge, halfwit, journeyman, mercenary striker, I hope people think that the shopworkers, the refuse collectors, the post delivery staff, the NHS staff (and so on) are actually worth a million of them. The last time I had a Covid 19 - football rant on here I clicked on BBC Football immediately for the headlines. I was met with 'Man Utd to sanction £100m move for Kane'. That spoke volumes to me. I had never even heard of Joe Worrall before. I have just read up on who he is and what he has said. I hope that the following happens. The Championship is declared null and void, he goes on strike, every club in the world decides his behaviour is so pathetic and crass that he never plays a game of football ever again. Once again a fabulous post and certainly hits home Otep my good friend. |
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Post by A38 on Apr 20, 2020 6:25:31 GMT
Quality posts guys great to have people on here who eloquently and no-nonsensely put forward views that frankly chime with my own and a lot of people’s. Was only thinking of the celebrity thing last night as it goes, I’m only really exposed to it through the wife telling me what she’s read but every time she does I think “What a sorry bunch of attention seeking a**holes”.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 20, 2020 6:27:11 GMT
I'm with you Otep, give up looking at sports news and football myself and what celebs are saying/doing. Infact it's all becoming too much of a news overload, and becoming a blame game for some. I catch up on the daily news, the government briefing bullet points, tend to ignore the repetitive questions they ask (journalists) I'm even ignoring Facebook crap now. Not burying my head to it all, just doing my own lockdown with the missus and trying to stay sane. TBH I'm worried about my family more than myself, my son works for a large national company (essential) but they treat his health and well being secondary, it's ATM get the job done. We're doing the same at Bovril Towers. Just because the world's gone mad, it doesn't mean we have to join in. |
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 20, 2020 6:33:47 GMT
PS Just Googled Joe Worrall. Hilarious fool. He argues that the EFL HAVE to finish the season:
"It's non-negotiable, they can't null and void the season." Worrall, 23, told BBC Radio Nottingham. "We are in the play-off spots and doing so well, for goodness sake." In another article, he ACTUALLY uses the words "It's not fair." What a sad and selfish baby.
He also goes on to talk about playing at Wembley (in the play-off final) with 88,000 empty seats. Bit presumptious, old son.
I have now decided that I would like the season cancelling please. Then can someone send me a picture of his face? Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 8:17:15 GMT
Indeed, much on here that is sensible and sobering.
I have a big concern over a certain social club I know and the livelihoods of those we employ. That always focuses attention, but never as much as that ping on the 'phone every day that tells me how many people have been announced as died in the last 24 hours.
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Post by otep on Apr 20, 2020 17:59:27 GMT
Thank you for your kind words gentlemen. I find having a periodic rant on here quite therapeutic.
There is an assumption made by those in and around the game that when it is totally safe to do so, people will flock to football matches in their thousands. No-one in the game seems to have considered 2 possible flaws to that assumption (or I have missed it being mentioned).
1) I have seen Covid-19 unemployment predictions that range from 3 million to 6 million, a forecast of an economic slump like none seen before and mention of pay cuts for those who are lucky to retain their jobs. Virtually everyone has and will suffer financially during this crisis and in its aftermath. Football matches are expensive to attend even in prosperous times. Many might not be able to afford to go ! (Curtailing a Sky Sports subscription will also be one of the first cutbacks that people decide to make).
2) Attending football matches will be a habit for many. They just attend because they always have. An addiction. (I write this as a reformed addict). This is an unprecedented moment when football fans have been forced to go cold turkey on their addiction. Many will decide that they don't want to go back, that they didn't miss it like they thought they would and that the money feels quite nice in their own pocket.
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Post by otep on Apr 28, 2020 18:09:26 GMT
Ian Wright was good on Radio 5 last night. He was very forceful and outspoken with his view. He said that conversations about restarting the season should not be had. Far too many imponderables and wholly inappropriate to be talking about restaring the season.
You will all be aware by now that French football will not commence until September at the earliest (including behind closed doors).
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Post by Brewer46 on Apr 28, 2020 19:32:00 GMT
I think what otep has been saying recently rings so true in all the topics he has spoken about.
In fact I have just realised it was supposed to be the last game of the season for us this coming weekend..and it supposed to be a Sunday lunchtime kick off too! It just shows how your thoughts change with more pressing and serious circumstances.
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Post by otep on Apr 30, 2020 19:05:43 GMT
I have heard it said many times in the media that 'fans are desperate for the season to start again' and 'it would really give them a real lift in these troubled times'. Fake news. I have yet to meet a football fan who is thinking of anything other than their health and that of their family and their friends.
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Post by otep on May 2, 2020 7:57:01 GMT
I wonder if rises in admission / ticket prices are being considered by clubs to recoup their losses.
One aspect that I find baffling is this notion / fear that fans will congregate outside stadiums where games are being played behind closed doors. Is it fake news? No, it isn't. It does happen, has always happened and has happened in Covid-19 times too. PSG fans turned up in their thousands outside the stadium for their behind closed doors Champions League game against Borussia Dortmund in mid-March.
Why anyone would want to stand outside a football ground for 90 minutes not watching the game is beyond me. Even if the Brewers were in the Champions League Final and I had failed to get a ticket, I wouldn't go.
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Post by bennyboy on May 2, 2020 10:03:29 GMT
I just think now the best thing to do is work out how and if we have a relegation or promotion situation in each league. Get it sorted one way or another, forget playing anymore matches to complete the season.
Oh and just bloody give Liverpool the title, I'm pretty sure it's nailed on.😉
Fannying around with anything else is crazy, if that above doesn't suit just pretend the 2019/20 season never happened.
And finally on my walk in deepest darkest Rams country this morning (well actually it was pretty pleasant) I spotted a Brewers shirt, it was being proudly worn by a gent, cheered me to see it.
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Post by otep on May 2, 2020 21:07:04 GMT
I was thinking about the Rams the other day. The plan presumably was to be there or thereabouts at the turn of the year, for Rooney to turn up and see them get promotion and for him to have that finale to his career.
The reality is that they have been fairly inconsistent all season, mid table, he turned up and didn't exactly set the club alight and now they are saddled with paying his wage which I imagine is quite eye watering.
I listened to 606 on Radio 5 tonight. Not one caller wanted the season to restart, not one caller wanted games to be played behind closed doors, not one caller wanted an overseas mini league. Quite a few callers were vociferously saying how filthy and money orientated the game appears.
One good point made which I had not considered before is if a player suffers a hospitalisation injury. Such injuries are a totally unnecessary demand on the NHS when they have lives to save.
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Post by anthony41 on May 2, 2020 23:34:46 GMT
I was thinking about the Rams the other day. The plan presumably was to be there or thereabouts at the turn of the year, for Rooney to turn up and see them get promotion and for him to have that finale to his career. The reality is that they have been fairly inconsistent all season, mid table, he turned up and didn't exactly set the club alight and now they are saddled with paying his wage which I imagine is quite eye watering. I listened to 606 on Radio 5 tonight. Not one caller wanted the season to restart, not one caller wanted games to be played behind closed doors, not one caller wanted an overseas mini league. Quite a few callers were vociferously saying how filthy and money orientated the game appears. One good point made which I had not considered before is if a player suffers a hospitalisation injury. Such injuries are a totally unnecessary demand on the NHS when they have lives to save. Despite Mel Morris having a net worth of £500m he furloughed all their non playing staff and their under 23 squad. The first team were at a stand off with the club over a wage deferral but I think that’s settled now so Rooney might have to settle for just the £50k a week for a few months. Barmy to read on their forum people worried about keeping the club afloat during this period. The Bundesliga have tried to get the wheels in motion again. Three Koln players tested positive for the virus a few days ago despite being asymptomatic and have now been quarantined for 2 weeks. Can’t see that or a imminent resumption in this country ending well. Football in this country feels a bit like Jaws at the moment when Brody and Hooper can see the inevitable catastrophe coming but the Mayor won’t listen because of all the money Amity Island will lose if they close the beaches... |
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Post by uttoxbrewer on May 3, 2020 1:21:45 GMT
As always there’s some top quality posts from some top quality posters on this thread. When this horrible virus thing began I thought, wrongly as it turned out, that we should at least finish this season, whether or not behind closed doors, before anything else happens in football. Right now I really don’t care about any football match starting again until this thing is at least under control, a death rate of 28,000 plus and all the peoples lives that have been affected by this is far more important than football. One day we will go to the Pirelli again to see the brewers, until then take care folks and continue to stay safe.
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Post by sinfinbovril on May 3, 2020 7:05:10 GMT
As always there’s some top quality posts from some top quality posters on this thread. When this horrible virus thing began I thought, wrongly as it turned out, that we should at least finish this season, whether or not behind closed doors, before anything else happens in football. Right now I really don’t care about any football match starting again until this thing is at least under control, a death rate of 28,000 plus and all the peoples lives that have been affected by this is far more important than football. One day we will go to the Pirelli again to see the brewers, until then take care folks and continue to stay safe. Top post yourself. The longer it goes on, people's minds should change. |
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Post by otep on May 3, 2020 8:41:56 GMT
As always there’s some top quality posts from some top quality posters on this thread. When this horrible virus thing began I thought, wrongly as it turned out, that we should at least finish this season, whether or not behind closed doors, before anything else happens in football. Right now I really don’t care about any football match starting again until this thing is at least under control, a death rate of 28,000 plus and all the peoples lives that have been affected by this is far more important than football. One day we will go to the Pirelli again to see the brewers, until then take care folks and continue to stay safe. Top post yourself. The longer it goes on, people's minds should change. What you wrote there Sinfin latched on to a thought that I had when I was leaving work on Friday. I am a Key Worker dealing directly with the fallout of Covid-19 and I have to go to work every day. I work in the centre of town. (I am NOT one of the extremely brave, heroic NHS workers I hasten to add before anyone offers to buy me a drink). I am just giving you my reason for being out every day in Burton town centre for context and as an alibi.
Basically, my thought was this. My mind has changed already. How long does something take to become the new normal? Not very long at all. I am really used to the streets of Burton town centre being deserted now with just a few tumbleweeds blowing around. As I left the office on Friday I thought:
- how odd it would be to suddenly see the shopping malls to be full of people again. - when it happens, how will I react to crowded shopping malls and how long will it be before I am comfortable with a person within my 2m exclusion zone?
If you have got used to this 'new normal' too it might be quite hard mentally to unravel it. An invisible enemy exists and that enemy is now deeply entrenched in our minds creating real genuine fear. Reviewing my normal matchday experience, call me neurotic but at present I would not want to touch a ticket, a turnstyle, a crash barrier, money, a half time Bovril and so on. I would not want to stand near anyone at the game, to queue to get in and out and I certainly wouldn't want to go for a slash in those tiny little toilets.
Finally I have to acknowledge a brilliant comparative analogy from Anthony (above). What has taken me about 300 posts to convey was neatly encapsulated by Anthony with his excellent Jaws comparison.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 10:31:34 GMT
Top post yourself. The longer it goes on, people's minds should change. What you wrote there Sinfin latched on to a thought that I had when I was leaving work on Friday. I am a Key Worker dealing directly with the fallout of Covid-19 and I have to go to work every day. I work in the centre of town. (I am NOT one of the extremely brave, heroic NHS workers I hasten to add before anyone offers to buy me a drink). I am just giving you my reason for being out every day in Burton town centre for context and as an alibi. Basically, my thought was this. My mind has changed already. How long does something take to become the new normal? Not very long at all. I am really used to the streets of Burton town centre being deserted now with just a few tumbleweeds blowing around. As I left the office on Friday I thought:
- how odd it would be to suddenly see the shopping malls to be full of people again. - when it happens, how will I react to crowded shopping malls and how long will it be before I am comfortable with a person within my 2m exclusion zone? If you have got used to this 'new normal' too it might be quite hard mentally to unravel it. An invisible enemy exists and that enemy is now deeply entrenched in our minds creating real genuine fear. Reviewing my normal matchday experience, call me neurotic but at present I would not want to touch a ticket, a turnstyle, a crash barrier, money, a half time Bovril and so on. I would not want to stand near anyone at the game, to queue to get in and out and I certainly wouldn't want to go for a slash in those tiny little toilets.
Finally I have to acknowledge a brilliant comparative analogy from Anthony (above). What has taken me about 300 posts to convey was neatly encapsulated by Anthony with his excellent Jaws comparison.
There is much in here worthy of expansion. For instance how many of the 'shielded' group will ever be confident of coming out into society ever again? What impact is there of children missing those key social interactions as teenagers, not just the fumbles in the park, but that social bonding with others. The recovery period has many facets beyond whether we use zoom more and the office less. I hope that as quickly as we have got used to not having the 'normal' we find it again. |
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Post by broomo on May 3, 2020 12:07:47 GMT
I was thinking about the Rams the other day. The plan presumably was to be there or thereabouts at the turn of the year, for Rooney to turn up and see them get promotion and for him to have that finale to his career. The reality is that they have been fairly inconsistent all season, mid table, he turned up and didn't exactly set the club alight and now they are saddled with paying his wage which I imagine is quite eye watering. I listened to 606 on Radio 5 tonight. Not one caller wanted the season to restart, not one caller wanted games to be played behind closed doors, not one caller wanted an overseas mini league. Quite a few callers were vociferously saying how filthy and money orientated the game appears. One good point made which I had not considered before is if a player suffers a hospitalisation injury. Such injuries are a totally unnecessary demand on the NHS when they have lives to save. Despite Mel Morris having a net worth of £500m he furloughed all their non playing staff and their under 23 squad. The first team were at a stand off with the club over a wage deferral but I think that’s settled now so Rooney might have to settle for just the £50k a week for a few months. Barmy to read on their forum people worried about keeping the club afloat during this period. The Bundesliga have tried to get the wheels in motion again. Three Koln players tested positive for the virus a few days ago despite being asymptomatic and have now been quarantined for 2 weeks. Can’t see that or a imminent resumption in this country ending well. Football in this country feels a bit like Jaws at the moment when Brody and Hooper can see the inevitable catastrophe coming but the Mayor won’t listen because of all the money Amity Island will lose if they close the beaches... Great post, so many good points. The Jaws analogy is so spot on its frightening. I understand there are people who need a light at the end of the tunnel but the majority of ordinary folk I know are panicking at the thought of relaxing things too early. Most of the noises of getting back to normal are coming from the government and business leaders (understandably) worried about money over health. On Derby and in particular Morris, he's really shown his true colours over the last six months or so. He's a ruthless cold hearted businessman first and foremost, the welfare of his staff doesn't come into his thinking at all. He as much as anyone has been responsible for massive over spending, inflation of wages and cheating, disguised as finding loopholes. I now hope his behaviour brings him what he deserves. Nothing. I hope Cocu continues to struggle to come to terms with the English game, to see them sitting in 17th (now 14th??) Has given me as much pleasure as anything else this season. How much has he spent now to take them backwards as a club? Ha fecking ha. It's his club paying the HR manager 100k a year, it's Rooney who is on more than any other championship player, it's him who paid a rookie bullshiter of a manager (Clement) 2m a year and it's him who hired a spiv of an agent who ended up shafting him, it's his club cheating, first of all with the Stadium name change scam (ipro) then the stadium sale. He's played the system and he's failed. Badly. For me, he's all that is wrong with the game and I'd hate to see his cheating being rewarded by promotion. Give me one Ben Robinson over a hundred Mel Morris's. |
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Post by sinfinbovril on May 7, 2020 10:13:31 GMT
I’ve put this on two different threads.
The regular League One season would now be over, other than play-offs. There are three types of player - loans, out on contract and still-in-contract.
Loans - back to parent club: Jamie Murphy, Conor Shaunessey, Keiran O'Hara, Richard Nartey and Nathan Broadhead
Out of Contract 30th June 2020: Quinn, Brayford, Bucko, Colin Daniel, Kwame Thomas, Ollie Sarkic, Ben Fox, Keiran Wallace, Joe Sbarra, Jevan Anderson, Callum Hawkins, Ethan Vale & Ben Hart.
Contract runs until 2021: Jack Livesy, Reece Hutchinson, John-Joe O'Toole , Joe Powell, Ryan Edwards and Lucas Akins.
Without sounding too harsh (sorry, beautiful players but I want my club to survive) the Brewers will be quids-in come 1st July, with only 6 contracts to pay - and the first two won't be breaking the bank. So, with this in mind, I would say it is the Brewers’ best interests that the season in cancelled.
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Post by otep on May 12, 2020 18:36:51 GMT
As I suspected.
Dominic Raab has said that resuming the Premier League will “lift the spirits of the nation”.
In a YouGov survey of over 2,000 people, 73% said the Premier League and EFL coming back would not lift their spirits. 19% said they would be pleased to see football return. 9% don't know.
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