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Post by bobgauden on Feb 19, 2020 18:45:36 GMT
Is it? I’m not so sure. Imagine a manager at a bigger club admitting they’re looking to use said club as a stepping stone, massively undermining. They’d get crucified and rightly so, but it’s little old Burton so it doesn’t matter. He was hammered for years for having no ambition and that was cited as the reason "we'll never get anywhere under Clough" and other gems like he's got a cushy job. He's earning a lot less than his abilities (and achievements) deserve. On top of that you want him to show loyalty to a fan base many of which refuse to acknowledge what he has done and is still doing for the club? I won't be popular here but if I was him I'd have been off a long time ago. All he's done here is answer a question he was asked. Some people look for reasons to criticise, others take it for what it was. Reality. He is the same as any other professional and competitive person, he wants to test himself at the highest level possible. He feels he deserves a crack with a club who have more than 2000 fans (200 of which want him gone anyway). He feels he could do a job at a higher level I agree Where did I question his loyalty? Barking up the wrong tree again.
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Post by broomo on Feb 19, 2020 18:59:24 GMT
Wheee did I say you questioned his loyalty?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:06:13 GMT
I'm a bit astonished at what I have been reading. NC was linked at just about every club in the football league during his 1st spell. Chesterfield, Vale, Grimsby, Sheff United etc on many occasions. I defy anyone that may suggest these were all a figment of the press. So he stays loyal throughout all that, eventually leaves with the Chairman's blessing to his dream job (apparently the hardest decision ever). And then he comes back and is honest in an interview and you think it is disloyal? I always preferred every manager saying nothing to see here, no official approach, blah, blah blah, before buffering off 5 mins later, such as Rowett and JFH. Really? They always knew the score, Ben knew the score, why is it fans see different? Lastly I loved the successful football under Rowett and JFH. There was a craft to the defensive brilliance and eye for a player under Rowett. JFH was pragmatic in the extreme, brought in a gem in Nasser, but was the king of the 1-0. Free flowing, passing football? Nope. Be careful of what you wish for, both ownership and manager. Putting words in my mouth here. I’m not talking about loyalty, sure he could have jumped ship many times to bigger clubs, just I don’t want a manager saying he’s basically waiting for the correct opportunity before he goes. Doesn’t matter if it’s Nigel or Pep saying that, in my eyes he should keep quiet on that one. It’s certainly not Burton Albion being the winner here and if you can’t see that then theres just no point discussing it. As I said before, we all know Burton is a stepping stone for most , just don’t bloody say it. What’s the point? Actions speak louder than words...
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Post by bobgauden on Feb 19, 2020 19:08:49 GMT
Putting words in my mouth here. I’m not talking about loyalty, sure he could have jumped ship many times to bigger clubs, just I don’t want a manager saying he’s basically waiting for the correct opportunity before he goes. Doesn’t matter if it’s Nigel or Pep saying that, in my eyes he should keep quiet on that one. It’s certainly not Burton Albion being the winner here and if you can’t see that then theres just no point discussing it. As I said before, we all know Burton is a stepping stone for most , just don’t bloody say it. What’s the point? Actions speak louder than words... Or Maybe Barca haven’t come knocking yet?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:18:56 GMT
Actions speak louder than words... Or Maybe Barca haven’t come knocking yet? Point is Bob, your original post did not acknowledge the context of the service he has given and the loyalty he has shown. In that context, his comments that he would consider a 'better' job deserve better than your 'tara'.
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Post by emnez on Feb 19, 2020 21:16:00 GMT
You only have to look over to the West stand to see where our attendances have dropped.I have many chats to fans in the North stand and i firmly believe the youth element of our fanbase have gone.The young fans that came when we were getting promotions and playing in the championship and soaking up the glory have gone.I still say the pricing is on the high side for under 17's and pensioners and have said for many seasons it need looking at.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Feb 19, 2020 22:09:57 GMT
So two points to comment upon...
1. I've answered the thread's title in the Ipswich Town thread, which basically says "We're 12th in League One - calm down!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
2. The Clough Loyalty issue. I listened to the whole of the interview and while I was a bit aghast at the idea of Nigel leaving us at some point, it only took me ten seconds to realise he had been asked about the future. Did anyone REALLY expect him to say, "No mate, I'm staying at Burton for the rest of my management career." No of course not.
I think a) we've had a fantastic last 20 years and b) if Nigel stays, we'll continue to be in League One
Remember Arsenal? They used to be big. Bet they wish they still had Arsene Wenger and his boring old fourth place and place in the Champions League qualifying round.
It's going great. Roll on Saturday. COYB
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Post by emnez on Feb 20, 2020 9:53:57 GMT
On the question of Nigel leaving us you know what Sinfin i really think the man deserves another crack at a bigger club and none of us should begrudge him that.The tremendous work he has done for us over the many years i really can't understand why he is still here it can only be loyalty because his record is impeccable not just with us but Derby and Sheff utd.If he ever does leave it will be a big job to replace him but we have in the past and done very well GR and JFH for example.Lets not forget managers like working for Ben Robinson and we have to hope he is still in charge of our club if Nigel leaves.
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Post by WestEnder on Feb 20, 2020 10:41:09 GMT
It was just getting better, we looked like we could have a really good end to the season...
And then we went and sold Boyce, and since then apart from the Rotherham game which we still lost the football has been absolutely horrific.
Ok, I do understand why we sold Boyce but to not bring a striker in during the January window really disappointed some fans. Every Burton Albion fan loves Akins and he would no doubt go in 99% of fans’ all time XI but him up front on his own is a massive struggle to watch and it simply doesn’t work.
People will say Clough has signed Thomas, but does he really rate him that much? He’s only had a few minutes in the home games and he didn’t even get used on Saturday but I don’t understand why we didn’t throw him on at Ipswich at 4-1 down so we could have a bit more of a look at him?
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 20, 2020 11:58:30 GMT
Looking at the squad now total cost £20-000 8 years ago what a result still a consolidated league 1 club. The challenge goes on and Sat losing to Southend could put our fans in meltdown, just like most big clubs losing to inferior opposition. Could this mean we have arrived as a league 1 club, magic
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Post by broomo on Feb 24, 2020 8:10:16 GMT
I already wrote I think the playoffs are out of our reach now, the winless six game run has cost us massively.
Th last time I wrote a season off was after the Hull 0-5 and we somehow got to within 3 minutes of achieving the impossible. If we get anywhere near that, even still having a chance with 2 games to go I'll be thrilled.
I think the January window has done for us and that's strange because I think the players we've brought in are on the whole a step up. Maybe too early to judge Powell v Fraser but to me he looks a player.
So how has the window done us?
We've lost Boyce, Templeton and to all extents and purposes Scotty Fraser. Three massive players but also 3 massively popular lads in the dressing room.
Imagine if you went to work one day and 3 of your best mates had gone and been replaced by 3 new boys, one of whom is a manager's favourite.
No matter who you are, that's going to take some adjusting to, that along with a tweak in the style of play with Lucas up top.
I know Nigel makes these decisions in the best long term interest of the club but imagine how Scott feels on the middle of a great season he suddenly can't get in the side?
We took a huge gamble turning down a million for Boyce last year and in the cold light of day it backfired.
I'm sure Nigel, Simon and Ben would have the commercial awareness to work out whether it may have been better to offer Boyce AND Fraser an extension which if they signed we'd give them an extra grand or even 1500 a week until the summer then let them leave for whatever minimum release clause they had.
24-36 grand each to hang around and repay the loyalty Nigel showed to both.
Would we have got 250k for Boyce in the summer?
It must be hugely frustrating that we can't simply snap our fingers like other clubs can. 48-72k for us is too big a leap.
It's a weird season. So many positives on the pitch yet we are as mid table as mid table can be and Nigel has to rebuild a fair chunk of the squad again in the summer, look to sell anyone of any value at all and also know that almost every other League One club can offer their players more as a basic wage than we can
Some still can't grasp the size of the task
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 24, 2020 11:10:04 GMT
With Burton you cannot have your cake and eat it, you take one or the other, we have a massive lack of cash, Boyce Templeton gone, both moved back to Scotland through choice , With Burton having limited control. Fraser still has a contract till June, but has no intention of staying longer. We all know these players could have extended their contract, So no cash Burton have to move on, Shaughnessy will he sign, Powell looks useful, Murphy for Boyce no contest, Thomas will Nigel bring his talent to the party, if he can,we will have a very good player So in the transfer window, we picked up £!50-000, maintained our budget,and strengthened the team, Moving forward we could have kept our players with extended contracts, signed the new ones and have a competitive squad for league 1 success, But we are Burton,and league 1 success is staying in it
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Post by otep on Feb 28, 2020 20:15:58 GMT
I was thinking this afternoon how I thought we'd 'hit the big time' when we signed Martin Butler and Lee Morris.
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Post by bartonyellow on Feb 29, 2020 11:08:44 GMT
I have this horrible feeling that we have hit the top of the curve and next season we will struggle.. And could ultimately drop back to league 2. Which is why we need a fans forum urgently with the club on how to attract people to the pirelli on Match day. We have to do something or else we will be a home for loan. Players, youth and non league stars.
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Post by trevor1946 on Feb 29, 2020 11:40:23 GMT
We are there now
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Post by emnez on Feb 29, 2020 11:52:18 GMT
Go a bit deeper with that comment please Trev.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 15:54:20 GMT
I have this horrible feeling that we have hit the top of the curve and next season we will struggle.. And could ultimately drop back to league 2. Which is why we need a fans forum urgently with the club on how to attract people to the pirelli on Match day. We have to do something or else we will be a home for loan. Players, youth and non league stars. We've just had one.
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Post by broomo on Feb 29, 2020 21:39:19 GMT
I have this horrible feeling that we have hit the top of the curve and next season we will struggle.. And could ultimately drop back to league 2. Which is why we need a fans forum urgently with the club on how to attract people to the pirelli on Match day. We have to do something or else we will be a home for loan. Players, youth and non league stars. We've just had one. And just like the home games, no bugger showed up. Me neither to be fair.
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Post by uttoxbrewer on Mar 7, 2020 0:28:22 GMT
Some really good posts on this thread. My take on this is that one day the Brewers will exit league one and at this moment who knows what direction this will be? It could be back to the championship and if it is we all know what will happen next. Sorry 😐 but we’re not big enough to complete at that level. So maybe league 2 then? Not while Nigel is at the helm, at the very least he’ll make sure we’re a competitive league 1 club. Which is better than losing at home to Tamworth!
Which brings me back to the manager. To be honest I can’t understand why he’s not been looked at by a big league 1 or league 2 club, a fallen giant if you like, to sort them out, like he did with Derby, to help them progress to bigger and better things. Still I’m grateful because whilst Nigel is here we haven’t done, and won’t do what Yeovil did (back to the Conference).
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Post by trevor1946 on Mar 7, 2020 13:34:52 GMT
Go a bit deeper with that comment please Trev. We are 100 fans above the lowest attended club in league 1, Total cost of players now £20-000 after 8 seasons Having no Budget to pay comparable wages to clubs, even as low as league 1, or many in league 2 Having a very very limited transfer budget For clubs to progress they have to be successful , Burton have had unlimited success ,getting Championship football with a 6-5 million figure for being in the Championship. Playing with a small capacity of 6-900,without away fans the ground was half empty, and 2-700 at one game,outside of Burton ,was a joke.,and still we had to rely on cup runs to keep quality players, Derby 3 times on sky in one week, our neighbours. Forest another club near to me on sky twice this week, The joy of watching Burton on sky, this SEASON none. At Burton we dont build teams, we take players,, what we can afford on 2-000 gates Derby 26-735==Forest 27-748 with Championship football Burton Have the lowest Championship gate 2-750 So the Championship is clearly out of our league,,and league 1 will be hard to sustain, over time,playing bigger clubs constantly.. Ben Robinson is now well into his 70s, and has achieved more than he ever dreamed of, and Nigel Clough could decide to join the real world of football were paying 10 million for a player to build a team is standard practice
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