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Post by trevor1946 on Oct 13, 2019 11:14:38 GMT
Highbury Stadium is our next game capacity 5-327.average attendance 3-003, but their squad cost more. Managed by joey Barton,players to look out for. Coutts=Rossiter=Souter=Marney=Evans. We remember them well from the Playoffs in 2014 giving them 6th promotion in 10 years ,They currently sit 5th two points off top 2 with a game in hand. Losing 1=0 to ipswich spoilt there unbeaten home record.But Barton said this defeat will make them stronger.theirs nothing the club like better than having a right ding dong with no quarter given. Looking at Fleetwood they are a real hand full,and Barton just been made manager of the month,He states this is the best Fleetwood team ever. Out of the last 6 games against them we have lost 5. against a aggressive squad,will o"Toole stay on the pitch,will Nartey be bullied,are broadhead and Sarkic ready for a bruising.Will Boyce get a knock in the friendly against a determined Czech side {in a friendly} Any hope from me is O"Hara on fire Are they our bogey team. it is a loss from me
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Post by broomo on Oct 13, 2019 17:14:45 GMT
I've watched their highlights ;-)
Tough one to call, we're 2 very similar sides, even down to the way we set up and that will probably show itself as the season draws on. I'd expect us to be very close to each other come seasons end BUT I do think they've had a hell of a lot of breaks in games in both boxes. 4 or 5 goals coming in their favour after scrambles or spillages and in a couple of their games they could have been 2 or 3 down before going on to win (Shrewsbury where they won 0-3).
They play a similar style to us, 4 at the back, one (or two depending on the opposition) holding midfielder in Paul Coutts who then allows the other midfielders to push on. One up front in either Madden(17) or Evans (9) and runners getting up in support. They get a lot of numbers in and around the box. Madden has been brilliant for them with 6 goals in 5 starts and 6 sub appearances but it's his physical presence and his ability to lay the ball off to others that we'll have to watch. I think this is one for Bucko or JJOT to mark, get in amongst him and match him physically.
It would be very tough on young Nartey who has been superb and to be fair I don't know yet if he's got that kind of game in him. He's superb but is he a bruiser?
Coutts (15) is their version of Quinn but as much as I love Coutts, Quinny is the better player and he is the more mobile of the 2. Couttsy will play it simple and he'll rarely give the ball away so we'll have to be careful not to over press him. He's plenty good enough to play it around us. He'll drop 15 yards when their full backs push on to give a bit of protection (even though he can't run or tackle!! if we can get Scotty Fraser running at him then past him we will cause them issues)
Although it seems Barton isn't convinced by either of his keepers in Gilkes or Cairns their back four is pretty settled, with Souttar(6) likely to start and then either Dunne (12) or Clarke (4) a couple of real solid big units at centre half . Their left back Danny Andrew (3) has a lot of quality going forward and he will push on every chance he gets, he's handy enough at shooting and crossing as well. Coyle (2) at right back is possibly not as threatening but will still bomb on every chance he gets.
They play some very clever intricate stuff in the final 3rd with Dempsey(8) centrally looking a real busy player then Morris (11) and Wes Burns (7) looking to play off the front man every chance they get.
Overall a decent footballing side and I've not seen much narkiness or nastiness from them, the only slight criticism of them is they WILL surround the referee and look to get players booked for fouls. If he gets a game, the young lad Hunter (22) has got a bit of aggro about him and likes to get involved in verbals.
They've had some mixed results, looking far from convincing BUT STILL beating Accrington, Wimbledon and Rochdale, dropping points against Southend as well. The stand out positive result is Peterboro away but they've also lost to Lincoln, Doncaster and Ipswich withot ever being outplayed. they've been in every game.
They look strong at home winning 4 and drawing one out 5 before Ipswich beat them 1-0.
That's why it's difficult to separate the two sides prediction wise. I don't think they've played anyone at home as good as us on the counter attack.
My own feeling is WE ARE a slightly better side but there's not much in it. They beat us twice 1-0 last season but I'm fairly sure even they would be honest enough to admit that wasn't a fair reflection of the 2 games.
I fancy a tight but entertaining 1-1 but if we can go there and get a win, it will give us a massive lift and will send out a real signal that we are serious play off hopefuls. Our away from is stunning though so I'm hopeful.
For those who haven't read or watched Nigels last interview (and for any Fleetwood fans reading this) only Manchester City have scored more away league goals in 2019 (31 goals). We are capable of beating anyone in this League. Hopefully we'll come back sharp and ready to go.
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Post by A38 on Oct 13, 2019 17:58:00 GMT
Not Fleetwood game related but I just faced an awkward bathtime question from my five-year-old lad: “Dad, what are the bad things that Stephen Bywater has done?” I said he’d said a bad word on the telly, not sure what he it was he said, and he piled up too much rubbish in his garden and upset his neighbours because it looked messy. I choose to omit any mention of samurai swords and delivery men (or indeed inflatable dolls) as things were tricky enough already! Birds and the bees conversation will be like water off a duck’s back now!
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Post by brewersinramland on Oct 14, 2019 7:35:43 GMT
Not Fleetwood game related but I just faced an awkward bathtime question from my five-year-old lad: “Dad, what are the bad things that Stephen Bywater has done?” I said he’d said a bad word on the telly, not sure what he it was he said, and he piled up too much rubbish in his garden and upset his neighbours because it looked messy. I choose to omit any mention of samurai swords and delivery men (or indeed inflatable dolls) as things were tricky enough already! Birds and the bees conversation will be like water off a duck’s back now! Brilliant stuff. Just tell him it's traditional for goalkeepers to be a bit bonkers. Why else would anyone dive at people's feet when they're kicking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:38:51 GMT
Not Fleetwood game related but I just faced an awkward bathtime question from my five-year-old lad: “Dad, what are the bad things that Stephen Bywater has done?” I said he’d said a bad word on the telly, not sure what he it was he said, and he piled up too much rubbish in his garden and upset his neighbours because it looked messy. I choose to omit any mention of samurai swords and delivery men (or indeed inflatable dolls) as things were tricky enough already! Birds and the bees conversation will be like water off a duck’s back now! He pulled down the shorts of that Leeds player. That was bad.
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Post by NobodyGood on Oct 14, 2019 11:44:10 GMT
Not Fleetwood game related but I just faced an awkward bathtime question from my five-year-old lad: “Dad, what are the bad things that Stephen Bywater has done?” I said he’d said a bad word on the telly, not sure what he it was he said, and he piled up too much rubbish in his garden and upset his neighbours because it looked messy. I choose to omit any mention of samurai swords and delivery men (or indeed inflatable dolls) as things were tricky enough already! Birds and the bees conversation will be like water off a duck’s back now! He pulled down the shorts of that Leeds player. That was bad. That was one of the best things I've seen at a football game. Quickly shut us up by scoring the free kick though...
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Post by bennyboy on Oct 14, 2019 15:35:37 GMT
If I remember last season (wasn't there BTW) it was the coldest day ever to play a football match. Some of the players were suffering from the cold mid way in the second half, NC said it was the worst conditions he's ever been involved in or words to that effect. Hopefully they won't suffer the same this time around.
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Post by annable on Oct 19, 2019 17:00:28 GMT
You have to say that is a very poor result and one that leaves us closer to the relegation zone than the play offs albeit we do have several games in hand and an imbalance between games played at home against games played away.
Next two home games now crucial in getting us back towards mid table and hopefully into the top half although it appears we are hitting AFC Wimbledon at the wrong time as they have won three on the trot including a last minute winner against Pompey today so they will be very confident. Just feel we need a fully fit Quinn back in the team as soon as possible as he is our best quality player.
Depressing afternoon but we go again Tuesday.
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Post by NobodyGood on Oct 19, 2019 17:04:03 GMT
Yeah 4-1 isn't ideal against a team we should be somewhat equal to. Hopefully it's due to...
Lack of games. International break, Bury etc. Lack of Quinn.
All play a part.
I'll be at the game next Saturday hopefully!
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Post by bennyboy on Oct 19, 2019 17:47:43 GMT
Yeah 4-1 isn't ideal against a team we should be somewhat equal to. Hopefully it's due to... Lack of games. International break, Bury etc. Lack of Quinn. All play a part. I'll be at the game next Saturday hopefully! And we miss Bucko too.
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Post by craig1 on Oct 19, 2019 18:27:21 GMT
Yeah 4-1 isn't ideal against a team we should be somewhat equal to. Hopefully it's due to... Lack of games. International break, Bury etc. Lack of Quinn. All play a part. I'll be at the game next Saturday hopefully! And we miss Bucko too. Agree, we did actually miss Buxton and I never thought I'd say that, but he's got himself in good shape and looks good this season. Basic defending is why we missed him! Played some good football as usual but didn't deal with balls played into our box, Brayford doesn't look fit and they played the ball over his side a lot today! COYB 👍🏻
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Post by broomo on Oct 19, 2019 18:46:26 GMT
I've watched their highlights ;-) Tough one to call, we're 2 very similar sides, even down to the way we set up and that will probably show itself as the season draws on. I'd expect us to be very close to each other come seasons end BUT I do think they've had a hell of a lot of breaks in games in both boxes. 4 or 5 goals coming in their favour after scrambles or spillages and in a couple of their games they could have been 2 or 3 down before going on to win (Shrewsbury where they won 0-3). They play a similar style to us, 4 at the back, one (or two depending on the opposition) holding midfielder in Paul Coutts who then allows the other midfielders to push on. One up front in either Madden(17) or Evans (9) and runners getting up in support. They get a lot of numbers in and around the box. Madden has been brilliant for them with 6 goals in 5 starts and 6 sub appearances but it's his physical presence and his ability to lay the ball off to others that we'll have to watch. I think this is one for Bucko or JJOT to mark, get in amongst him and match him physically. It would be very tough on young Nartey who has been superb and to be fair I don't know yet if he's got that kind of game in him. He's superb but is he a bruiser? Coutts (15) is their version of Quinn but as much as I love Coutts, Quinny is the better player and he is the more mobile of the 2. Couttsy will play it simple and he'll rarely give the ball away so we'll have to be careful not to over press him. He's plenty good enough to play it around us. He'll drop 15 yards when their full backs push on to give a bit of protection (even though he can't run or tackle!! if we can get Scotty Fraser running at him then past him we will cause them issues) Although it seems Barton isn't convinced by either of his keepers in Gilkes or Cairns their back four is pretty settled, with Souttar(6) likely to start and then either Dunne (12) or Clarke (4) a couple of real solid big units at centre half . Their left back Danny Andrew (3) has a lot of quality going forward and he will push on every chance he gets, he's handy enough at shooting and crossing as well. Coyle (2) at right back is possibly not as threatening but will still bomb on every chance he gets. They play some very clever intricate stuff in the final 3rd with Dempsey(8) centrally looking a real busy player then Morris (11) and Wes Burns (7) looking to play off the front man every chance they get. Overall a decent footballing side and I've not seen much narkiness or nastiness from them, the only slight criticism of them is they WILL surround the referee and look to get players booked for fouls. If he gets a game, the young lad Hunter (22) has got a bit of aggro about him and likes to get involved in verbals. They've had some mixed results, looking far from convincing BUT STILL beating Accrington, Wimbledon and Rochdale, dropping points against Southend as well. The stand out positive result is Peterboro away but they've also lost to Lincoln, Doncaster and Ipswich withot ever being outplayed. they've been in every game. They look strong at home winning 4 and drawing one out 5 before Ipswich beat them 1-0. That's why it's difficult to separate the two sides prediction wise. I don't think they've played anyone at home as good as us on the counter attack. My own feeling is WE ARE a slightly better side but there's not much in it. They beat us twice 1-0 last season but I'm fairly sure even they would be honest enough to admit that wasn't a fair reflection of the 2 games. I fancy a tight but entertaining 1-1 but if we can go there and get a win, it will give us a massive lift and will send out a real signal that we are serious play off hopefuls. Our away from is stunning though so I'm hopeful. For those who haven't read or watched Nigels last interview (and for any Fleetwood fans reading this) only Manchester City have scored more away league goals in 2019 (31 goals). We are capable of beating anyone in this League. Hopefully we'll come back sharp and ready to go. I won't bold the fact I got it stupidly wrong with the scoreline but for christs sakes. I really didn't see that coming at all, I though we were much closer to them than that, although it seems like we had 15 shots OFF TARGET. I don't know what to say really, gutted and it's spoilt my weekend, Just when you think it's all coming together nicely along come Fleetwood and frigging Joey Barton.
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Post by mikeyboy on Oct 19, 2019 19:14:49 GMT
I've watched their highlights ;-) Tough one to call, we're 2 very similar sides, even down to the way we set up and that will probably show itself as the season draws on. I'd expect us to be very close to each other come seasons end BUT I do think they've had a hell of a lot of breaks in games in both boxes. 4 or 5 goals coming in their favour after scrambles or spillages and in a couple of their games they could have been 2 or 3 down before going on to win (Shrewsbury where they won 0-3). They play a similar style to us, 4 at the back, one (or two depending on the opposition) holding midfielder in Paul Coutts who then allows the other midfielders to push on. One up front in either Madden(17) or Evans (9) and runners getting up in support. They get a lot of numbers in and around the box. Madden has been brilliant for them with 6 goals in 5 starts and 6 sub appearances but it's his physical presence and his ability to lay the ball off to others that we'll have to watch. I think this is one for Bucko or JJOT to mark, get in amongst him and match him physically. It would be very tough on young Nartey who has been superb and to be fair I don't know yet if he's got that kind of game in him. He's superb but is he a bruiser? Coutts (15) is their version of Quinn but as much as I love Coutts, Quinny is the better player and he is the more mobile of the 2. Couttsy will play it simple and he'll rarely give the ball away so we'll have to be careful not to over press him. He's plenty good enough to play it around us. He'll drop 15 yards when their full backs push on to give a bit of protection (even though he can't run or tackle!! if we can get Scotty Fraser running at him then past him we will cause them issues) Although it seems Barton isn't convinced by either of his keepers in Gilkes or Cairns their back four is pretty settled, with Souttar(6) likely to start and then either Dunne (12) or Clarke (4) a couple of real solid big units at centre half . Their left back Danny Andrew (3) has a lot of quality going forward and he will push on every chance he gets, he's handy enough at shooting and crossing as well. Coyle (2) at right back is possibly not as threatening but will still bomb on every chance he gets. They play some very clever intricate stuff in the final 3rd with Dempsey(8) centrally looking a real busy player then Morris (11) and Wes Burns (7) looking to play off the front man every chance they get. Overall a decent footballing side and I've not seen much narkiness or nastiness from them, the only slight criticism of them is they WILL surround the referee and look to get players booked for fouls. If he gets a game, the young lad Hunter (22) has got a bit of aggro about him and likes to get involved in verbals. They've had some mixed results, looking far from convincing BUT STILL beating Accrington, Wimbledon and Rochdale, dropping points against Southend as well. The stand out positive result is Peterboro away but they've also lost to Lincoln, Doncaster and Ipswich withot ever being outplayed. they've been in every game. They look strong at home winning 4 and drawing one out 5 before Ipswich beat them 1-0. That's why it's difficult to separate the two sides prediction wise. I don't think they've played anyone at home as good as us on the counter attack. My own feeling is WE ARE a slightly better side but there's not much in it. They beat us twice 1-0 last season but I'm fairly sure even they would be honest enough to admit that wasn't a fair reflection of the 2 games. I fancy a tight but entertaining 1-1 but if we can go there and get a win, it will give us a massive lift and will send out a real signal that we are serious play off hopefuls. Our away from is stunning though so I'm hopeful. For those who haven't read or watched Nigels last interview (and for any Fleetwood fans reading this) only Manchester City have scored more away league goals in 2019 (31 goals). We are capable of beating anyone in this League. Hopefully we'll come back sharp and ready to go. I won't bold the fact I got it stupidly wrong with the scoreline but for christs sakes. I really didn't see that coming at all, I though we were much closer to them than that, although it seems like we had 15 shots OFF TARGET. I don't know what to say really, gutted and it's spoilt my weekend, Just when you think it's all coming together nicely along come Fleetwood and frigging Joey Barton. Craig, you have to remember that they have a decent sized budget and are bank rolled very heavily by Andy Pilley. Even more so this season with Blackpool returning to normality after the Oyston regime. They are vastly different to our model and what Ben does, but in a town of 25,000 people it isn’t sustainable long term and surely to God he will get fed up of pouring millions in each season, sooner or later!
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Post by broomo on Oct 19, 2019 19:21:47 GMT
I won't bold the fact I got it stupidly wrong with the scoreline but for christs sakes. I really didn't see that coming at all, I though we were much closer to them than that, although it seems like we had 15 shots OFF TARGET. I don't know what to say really, gutted and it's spoilt my weekend, Just when you think it's all coming together nicely along come Fleetwood and frigging Joey Barton. Craig, you have to remember that they have a decent sized budget and are bank rolled very heavily by Andy Pilley. Even more so this season with Blackpool returning to normality after the Oyston regime. They are vastly different to our model and what Ben does, but in a town of 25,000 people it isn’t sustainable long term and surely to God he will get fed up of pouring millions in each season, sooner or later! I know Mike, you're spot on pal. There is a very good reason Coutts ended up there and not with us. They've got players on very good salaries. I just honestly thought it wouldn't be about them, it would be us dictating. I've not seen us looking close to conceding 4 against anyone and I thought we were playing well enough to get something. Maybe naïve and I certainly underestimated them.
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Post by britty on Oct 19, 2019 21:17:43 GMT
I didn't go to the game so won't comment on the performance, disappointing result.
With international breaks and the bury scenario it feels a bit stop start so far this season. We get into a bit if a rythm then we don't play for a while and it's back to square one.
The lack of league games at the pirelli in sep, Oct and probably Nov is a joke. Clough should really think hard about whether to have the game postponed in November for the next international break especially now we have a half decent back up keeper to fill in for O'Hara.
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Post by melymoss on Oct 19, 2019 22:01:09 GMT
I also didn’t see this one coming . I honestly thought we were as good as them , they were just a lot more clinical than us. For me nothing complicated about the loss. They had a lot more shots on target and made them count. We had enough chances to hurt them and didn’t put them away.
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Post by NobodyGood on Oct 20, 2019 4:37:13 GMT
I didn't go to the game so won't comment on the performance, disappointing result. With international breaks and the bury scenario it feels a bit stop start so far this season. We get into a bit if a rythm then we don't play for a while and it's back to square one. The lack of league games at the pirelli in sep, Oct and probably Nov is a joke. Clough should really think hard about whether to have the game postponed in November for the next international break especially now we have a half decent back up keeper to fill in for O'Hara. Extremely stop start. Feels like the league is a cup competition...
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Post by NobodyGood on Oct 20, 2019 5:21:05 GMT
Looks like it could've been a different game if we'd scored early doors rather than hit the post.
Their first goal, poor from Hutchinson, the following 2 goals, poor from Brayford, but he may have been dragged into the mix to cover a CB being out of position.
Still looked like we passed the ball well at least!
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Post by sinfinbovril on Oct 20, 2019 7:25:46 GMT
There are three ways to look at that game. Well, I am, anyway.
At the time, I blamed the ref and the fact he didn't give anything our way. Just before their second goal, Lucas was booted into the air (literally) by the defender who'd been wrapped around him all afternoon. He was very poor. It seemed every tackle we made, there was a free kick. Every tackle they made was fair and dandy. But we lost and I'm moaning about the ref....blah blah blah
Tiny things led to our downfall. I thought Reece was having a great game until the first goal, and even that came from a brilliant tackle - he just didn't know what to do with it and BANG. Then he came off. Anyone know why? Also, Keiran Wallace's stupid tackle after five minutes got him a yellow card so he was on egg shells for the following 85 minutes. The reason their No. 3 Andrew had such a great game was cos Oliver Sarkic didn't follow him back at all, leaving JB with two men to mark.
The final way is that (for me) Fleetwood walked the ball into the net four times. And that's not good enough. With one experienced head in defence, there are three youngsters and JJ is still learning his new position. That's cos of the budget, I know.
Still, the lights were lovely in Blackpool and the conductor on the tram up to Fleetwood was a top bloke.
See you Tuesday. COYB.
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Post by broomo on Oct 20, 2019 11:34:12 GMT
Watched the highlights and for some reason, they've actually made me feel a bit better, now bare with me on this.
I don't think we'll ever make as many basic defensive mistakes as we made yesterday.
The first one will likely cost Hutchinson his place in the side for a week or two at least, as someone who played left back (pretty poorly) you simply can never ever try to do what he did, a little drag back just outside your own area? Unforgivable. He's got a big future but he's got to learn quickly that he's not Franz Beckenbauer.
The second was a foul on Lucas, how the ref doesn't give it I'm not sure. Then I'm not exactly sure who's "fault" it is, yeah Ollie doesn't track the left back but also Lloyd drops off 15 yards when HE should have followed the left backs run. Then JJOT misses his header.
The third is JJOT giving it away and then making things worse by going chasing TWICE, he's out of position and that leaves Brayford exposed. JJOT has had a brilliant start to the season but was out of sorts yesterday, I'm not sure Nige will drop him, he's learning the role and he's been superb, but if it goes on yesterday alone, I'd expect Bucko and Nartey to be the centre back pairing on Tuesday.
The fourth is Boycey playing a loose ball and from then we're in all kinds of bother.
Coutts has absolutely ran the game for them.
So all four goals from mistakes by players who haven't been making mistakes. You can't legislate for that.
Looks like we played some pretty slick stuff, so again I agree with NC 100%, they punished us, we let them off the hook in similar situations.
We'll beat Wimbledon on Tuesday and we'll all be wondering where the hell yesterdays defensive performance came from.
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