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Post by everard on Aug 14, 2019 12:35:25 GMT
A few people commenting on Morecambe draw on Port Vale thread so thought it best start one for the Shrimps game now...
I too remember the "Welcome to the Football League" banner unfurled by their fans at (was it?) our first home League game..... Lovely gesture.... And for a season or two always getting beaten by em... I think I can remember one 4 v 0 home defeat when Jim Bentley was playing for them.... .... And wasn't it at Morecambe where we secured promotion from League Two to League One...?
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 14, 2019 13:51:04 GMT
A few people commenting on Morecambe draw on Port Vale thread so thought it best start one for the Shrimps game now... I too remember the "Welcome to the Football League" banner unfurled by their fans at (was it?) our first home League game..... Lovely gesture.... And for a season or two always getting beaten by em... I think I can remember one 4 v 0 home defeat when Jim Bentley was playing for them.... .... And wasn't it at Morecambe where we secured promotion from League Two to League One...? I did have some memory of us playing Morecambe so it must be something like promotion being secured...! Bring em on
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 7:25:04 GMT
The banner was a wonderful thing, but to my shame, I had forgotten it was Morecambe.
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Post by insideleft on Aug 15, 2019 9:36:22 GMT
We probably looked up to Morecambe all those years ago when they had Bentley, Elam, Perkins,Twiss, Carlton et al. A really good side.
So looking forward to this one BUT only if the club price it attractively which they didn't last year and sadly I guess won't this.
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Post by broomo on Aug 15, 2019 13:01:12 GMT
We probably looked up to Morecambe all those years ago when they had Bentley, Elam, Perkins,Twiss, Carlton et al. A really good side. So looking forward to this one BUT only if the club price it attractively which they didn't last year and sadly I guess won't this. I reckon the club would have been shocked at how poorly the cup run was supported last season and may (hopefully will) price to attract numbers this time around. If they made it something like a tenner or even £8 an adult and a fiver for kids I dare say we'd at least be able to open all sides of the ground. It's not right that for a major cup competition we're having to close stands, bloody hell that really does make us look like a mickey mouse team. It was weird last year as we drew some very decent sides but the paying public weren't excited at all by Burnley, Villa, Forest. To only get 2499 for the Burnley game was a joke really, this was a Premier League side who had played in Europe the season before and it's not exciting enough for us anymore? Even Forest at home 4284 for a game against a club as big as that from just down the road was heart breaking. It's as if games like that don't matter now we've "finished" the journey of rising from non-league where games against clubs like Rochdale, Oldham, Peterboro were seen as HUGE days out. Nice to see us get over 4,500 for the Ipswich game this season, maybe the fact we're playing such lovely stuff will start to have a regular impact, although I do recognise Ipswich brought a big number themselves. The longer we're competitive and in and around the top 6, the more often crowds will be over 4k and close to 5k. If we price the Morecambe game wrong we'll get less than 2k coming. Price it to get the home fans in.
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Post by cbh1 on Aug 15, 2019 13:14:49 GMT
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Post by broomo on Aug 15, 2019 13:28:58 GMT
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Post by bartonyellow on Aug 15, 2019 19:47:25 GMT
Our fanbase really does bug me. I just don't what else we can do to attract more fans. I live in Barton and every pub in the village has the fixtures on the wall a d people talk about the team in conversations, but few rarely go. I sometimes think 3 sides terracing puts people off, as people with kids prefer to sit and the main stand can fill up quicker. The only thing we can try is a Bradford style 150 quid season ticket offer.. The morecambe attendance will still be sub 2500 even though its a tenner. It's always the hardcore that go. I will be there even though I go away in the mornkng on holiday.. Its about making the effort.
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Post by insideleft on Aug 15, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
Yes to be fair they have made the effort. Many clubs do cut prices for these cups and significantly so. I was hoping they might go less than a tenner and really gamble on it but the good will is there let's hope it works.
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Post by footyman on Aug 16, 2019 12:30:54 GMT
I cannot understand how a 65 years old supporter qualifies for a concessions ticket for league matches only. This is probably a factor when trying to see the reason for poor attendances at cup matches. Concessions should apply to all fixtures.
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Post by otep on Aug 16, 2019 15:27:03 GMT
I wonder if our support is because Burton is a relatively new football league club town. Tradition plays a large part in football support with clubs being handed down to youngsters by their parents and their grandparents. It's in the blood. I was listening to a Bury fan on the radio earlier today and he said his Dad took him to his first football match at Gigg Lane - and his Dad was taken to his first game by his Dad. I dare say a lot of people in the Brewers catchment area first went to see Derby, V***a, Blues, Leicester or Forest and it has stuck with them.
This theory is supported when one looks at the average home attendances of other relatively new football league club towns - average attendances not too dissimilar to our own.
- Fleetwood. - Stevenage. - Yeovil. - Morecambe. - Crawley. - Forest Green. - Cheltenham.
The alternative clubs in a catchment area, populations and money are other key variables. Absentees from the above list are MK Dons, Wycombe and Wigan. Milton Keynes has a population of 270,000 and not many other big fish local clubs. Therefore they get bigger gates. Wycombe always commanded quite a good home support in the non-league (as did Yeovil). Wigan obviously had Dave Whelan who bought the club a fanbase by giving them top flight football, star names and an FA Cup.
Chances are we are not going to see much of a change in the Brewers core support in our lifetimes - unless someone seriously wealthy buys the club, spends big and puts us in the premier league (like Wigan).
That first game is important to an impressionable youngster. If Dad takes his young son or daughter to a Brewers game for their first experience of football, there is hope. Making games as appealing as possible to get folk there is the key.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:04:22 GMT
I wonder if our support is because Burton is a relatively new football league club town. Tradition plays a large part in football support with clubs being handed down to youngsters by their parents and their grandparents. It's in the blood. I was listening to a Bury fan on the radio earlier today and he said his Dad took him to his first football match at Gigg Lane - and his Dad was taken to his first game by his Dad. I dare say a lot of people in the Brewers catchment area first went to see Derby, V***a, Blues, Leicester or Forest and it has stuck with them. This theory is supported when one looks at the average home attendances of other relatively new football league club towns - average attendances not too dissimilar to our own. - Fleetwood. - Stevenage. - Yeovil. - Morecambe. - Crawley. - Forest Green. - Cheltenham. The alternative clubs in a catchment area, populations and money are other key variables. Absentees from the above list are MK Dons, Wycombe and Wigan. Milton Keynes has a population of 270,000 and not many other big fish local clubs. Therefore they get bigger gates. Wycombe always commanded quite a good home support in the non-league (as did Yeovil). Wigan obviously had Dave Whelan who bought the club a fanbase by giving them top flight football, star names and an FA Cup. Chances are we are not going to see much of a change in the Brewers core support in our lifetimes - unless someone seriously wealthy buys the club, spends big and puts us in the premier league (like Wigan). That first game is important to an impressionable youngster. If Dad takes his young son or daughter to a Brewers game for their first experience of football, there is hope. Making games as appealing as possible to get folk there is the key. Or if Mum takes young son or daughter...
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Post by otep on Aug 16, 2019 17:20:50 GMT
Indeed, if Mum or Dad takes young son or daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 19:46:15 GMT
I wonder if our support is because Burton is a relatively new football league club town. Tradition plays a large part in football support with clubs being handed down to youngsters by their parents and their grandparents. It's in the blood. I was listening to a Bury fan on the radio earlier today and he said his Dad took him to his first football match at Gigg Lane - and his Dad was taken to his first game by his Dad. I dare say a lot of people in the Brewers catchment area first went to see Derby, V***a, Blues, Leicester or Forest and it has stuck with them. This theory is supported when one looks at the average home attendances of other relatively new football league club towns - average attendances not too dissimilar to our own. - Fleetwood. - Stevenage. - Yeovil. - Morecambe. - Crawley. - Forest Green. - Cheltenham. The alternative clubs in a catchment area, populations and money are other key variables. Absentees from the above list are MK Dons, Wycombe and Wigan. Milton Keynes has a population of 270,000 and not many other big fish local clubs. Therefore they get bigger gates. Wycombe always commanded quite a good home support in the non-league (as did Yeovil). Wigan obviously had Dave Whelan who bought the club a fanbase by giving them top flight football, star names and an FA Cup. Chances are we are not going to see much of a change in the Brewers core support in our lifetimes - unless someone seriously wealthy buys the club, spends big and puts us in the premier league (like Wigan). That first game is important to an impressionable youngster. If Dad takes his young son or daughter to a Brewers game for their first experience of football, there is hope. Making games as appealing as possible to get folk there is the key. I tried to write this very post earlier. Thank you. My dad took me to see Derby and Burton fortunately. I can see why most Burton youth are attracted to Derby rather than Burton and it will be a lifetime before (and if) anything changes. Only the brave, intelligent, loyal and right ones will pick Burton.
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 17, 2019 7:10:15 GMT
Burton coming from non-league only had a small hard core following, and around the area it was easy to access many top clubs fans a can be very loyal and any change would be slow. Even now Burton are in a Stadium not fit for purpose for the next level.The sad fact of life is that Burton are over achieving on the field. Before Clough Derby were playing to 12-000 gates and this was a city club having always played league football,Burton Albion are a well run club with excellent management and we all want the club to grow, But moving onto a league 1 club with say 10-000 fan base is still a pipe dream
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Post by mikeyboy on Aug 17, 2019 7:44:21 GMT
To kick that off Trev, we need more seats.
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Post by britty on Aug 17, 2019 8:00:46 GMT
The only way we will sustainably grow our "core" fan base who regularly go to games is to attract more youngsters to the match. I have to applaud the club and community trust for what they do in the community to engage with the kids - it is second to none. My 6 year old boy has had the community trust coaches training his team at at George's park, has had the club visit his school and has twice been to the club shop to meet players. There are other things as well. However, all of this is great but the match day experience for a young kid can be poor. Conversely with low attendances I can guarantee him a good spot to stand and see the game. When it is busy it is really poor. Until this is sorted with more seats the crowds will stay pretty much the same as they have been for the last few years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 9:08:49 GMT
The only way we will sustainably grow our "core" fan base who regularly go to games is to attract more youngsters to the match. I have to applaud the club and community trust for what they do in the community to engage with the kids - it is second to none. My 6 year old boy has had the community trust coaches training his team at at George's park, has had the club visit his school and has twice been to the club shop to meet players. There are other things as well. However, all of this is great but the match day experience for a young kid can be poor. Conversely with low attendances I can guarantee him a good spot to stand and see the game. When it is busy it is really poor. Until this is sorted with more seats the crowds will stay pretty much the same as they have been for the last few years. I am afraid this is absolutely correct. The ill fated Family area did not work when trying to resolve this either. There is not an easy solution. To install additional seats is not easy, it is expensive and is even more difficult to partially install seats, i.e. on just half a terrace.
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Post by insideleft on Aug 17, 2019 9:25:49 GMT
It’s an age old debate on here but the solution is probably way beyond what current budgets allow The work the club does in the community is fantastic. Every possible effort is being made to engage youngsters. In 20 years I believe our hard core support has quadrupled. To get to that next step support wise, you need more seats, far more and that needs rebuilding existing stands or one of them certainly.
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Post by insideleft on Aug 17, 2019 9:31:03 GMT
Well that's that I won't be going.
Seats in the centre areas of the main stand sometimes termed vice president seating are priced at £20.
All those areas will be empty again I can guarantee the club that.
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