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Post by Fred Andrews on Jan 12, 2019 17:56:48 GMT
We've got a very inexperienced 18 year old left back in Hutchinson, a young central midfielder playing at right back in Fox, and Brayford playing center half when he's played right back pretty much all of his career. Plus throwing Akins out of position to right back for the last part of the game did us no favors. Our own worst enemies at times.
The sooner Kyle is back in alongside Turner the better, even though at times his hot headedness can cost us, missing McCrory's experience too, might be time for Reece to have a break.
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Post by bobgauden on Jan 12, 2019 18:01:57 GMT
I have absolutely no idea how we lost that. We hammered them. Dominated. Out played. Gills aren’t a good side. 31 shots on goal against 7 . AND WE LOST! We’ve missed our chances all season, but to miss 29 in one game? Ok only ten of these were on target but it shows how we dominated. I think it shows our defence up but on the other hand if we don’t score then we ain’t gonna win. I have no answers, I hope Nige has. Two goals from Scot were fantastic especially the 2nd. We could and should have won. Comfortably. Is it time to renew the defence? . Porky you seem to have your head screwed on and see it how it is. Time to renew the defence was at the end of last season, bar Kyle and Reece they need to go, not up to the job anymore. I'd like to see Nigel get 1 or 2 centre backs in the window and leave the rest as it is.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Jan 12, 2019 18:02:45 GMT
Am I the only one who's not furious?
I listened to some of the ridiculous comments on Radio Derby. One guy texted in "Clough got his tactics wrong. He must go." Someone else "Stephen Quinn is not good enough."
We are one of the poorest clubs in the whole FL. We won 4-0 away last week. We played a League Cup semi in midweek. Our projected slide down the football league has been halted.
I'm gutted with what happened today but goodness me. Another smash & grab. The character we showed after going 2-0 down (that penalty was a farce - handball in the wall?) was astonishing. We played them off the park. Very encouraging.
I was at the 6-5 vs Cheltenham. It kinda feels the same.
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Post by observer on Jan 12, 2019 18:04:19 GMT
Nigel
"The five defeats we have had here we have had the vast majority of the possession and most of the chances - more than 30 shots today - but the common denominator is conceding goals and that's why we need defenders more than anything. Creatively we are as good as anything in the league and with the options we have got we need some defenders who want to take responsibilty and defend.
"Some of the attacking play was absolutely brilliant stuff but you have to back that up with defensive solidity. We lost Jake Buxton today through illness and we missed him out there with his organising, his talking and his leadership."
Clough says he will be looking to bring a central defender in as soon as possible to help create that more solid back line.
"We want to sign a centre half this week - we have someone in mind. We will do everything we can to bring a centre half in."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 18:28:56 GMT
We've got a very inexperienced 18 year old left back in Hutchinson, a young central midfielder playing at right back in Fox, and Brayford playing center half when he's played right back pretty much all of his career. Plus throwing Akins out of position to right back for the last part of the game did us no favors. Our own worst enemies at times. The sooner Kyle is back in alongside Turner the better, even though at times his hot headedness can cost us, missing McCrory's experience too, might be time for Reece to have a break. Ive just listened to NC interview in full. He makes some critical comments about our defending today and thats fair enough. But he also talks some absolute rubbish, making sweeping generalisations about the season so far in particular the defending aspects. So I make the point I have made before. NC has to take responsibility for his team selections today and during the this season. He prefers however to blame the players, call out players and criticise them to the media. Thats a mistake, a big mistake. NC decides the teams we put oht and some of the formations this season have been bizarre. Right backs at centre back, kids playing full backs whilst established full backs sit on the bench etc etc . Its no good the manager blaming the defence, he is the manager who told us he had 5 experienced defenders in his squad and has then proceeded to not play them together at almost every opportunity when he could and then complain when we concede goals. Again today we had no experience at full back,Damain wasnt even on the bench, Reece has played god knows how many games in the last few weeks and needs a break. I am very frustrated like everyone else but I really hate it when the manager blames everyone but himself?
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Post by annable on Jan 12, 2019 18:29:07 GMT
Absolutely bloody ridiculous that we should lose that. We have lost some poor games at home this season where we have played well and been robbed but today takes the biscuit against pretty poor opposition. How we can concede three goals to that rubbish is unbelievable. Just heard Nigel's after match interview and he lays the blame purely and simply to the experienced defenders I.e. Turner and Brayford today. You can add Quinn to that as well with his part in the second goal. Misplaced pass for the free kick and then handball in the wall. I like Quinn and hope we can signed him permanently but those couple of minutes cost us. Some of our attacking play was great and really exciting but for me we were too frenetic after it went 2-2. It was if we had to win the game in the next few minutes when arguably one more goal would have done it and we had a good half an hour to find it. Really poor to lose it at the end though. Same feeling tonight as we've had several times this season where we have lost a game we should have won by a country mile. I have no idea how you think straight or write something comprehensive after a result like that, so shortly after. I'm still shell-shocked Just helps me get things of my chest as soon as I get home! Also, I could have just cut and paste my comments from several other home games this season! Just one one other thing as well. Strange how Jake Buxton was slagged off and ridiculed by many this season and last but on our little unbeaten run of four league games, he played in all four and we conceded two goals(off which he scored one!) but when he was missing today we conceded three shockers in one match. Would he have made a difference today? Certainly need to get Kyle back ASAP as he is our best defender in my opinion.
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Post by annable on Jan 12, 2019 18:31:00 GMT
We've got a very inexperienced 18 year old left back in Hutchinson, a young central midfielder playing at right back in Fox, and Brayford playing center half when he's played right back pretty much all of his career. Plus throwing Akins out of position to right back for the last part of the game did us no favors. Our own worst enemies at times. The sooner Kyle is back in alongside Turner the better, even though at times his hot headedness can cost us, missing McCrory's experience too, might be time for Reece to have a break. Don't think Reece can be blamed at all for today and in fact I thought he had one of his best games. Reece is the future so keep him in for me as Damo's recent performances have been sub standard.
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Post by craig1 on Jan 12, 2019 18:53:36 GMT
Great football first half and we're 2 nil down? Even when moves broke down we won the ball straight back and began moving the ball well again, with them chasing shadows.... But if we don't take some of the chances created then the opposition gain in confidence and keep in their. We do seem to overplay or over think around our oppositions penalty area whilst trying to burst the net with every shot? It almost seems like we need to work on a pattern of play around the oppositions area to get shots off, but I'm sure they already do this in training? As for Reece & Fox I thought they looked very composed and when Fox went off and Lucas then played at fullback it seemed to put us back and Gillingham actually got on the ball a bit! Nige stated we missed Buxton's leadership & organising but I'm thinking he may have been done for pace all day against List? But to come back from 2 down and still loose the game well? COYB 👍🏻
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Post by bennyboy on Jan 12, 2019 19:27:22 GMT
Great football first half and we're 2 nil down? Even when moves broke down we won the ball straight back and began moving the ball well again, with them chasing shadows.... But if we don't take some of the chances created then the opposition gain in confidence and keep in their. We do seem to overplay or over think around our oppositions penalty area whilst trying to burst the net with every shot? It almost seems like we need to work on a pattern of play around the oppositions area to get shots off, but I'm sure they already do this in training? As for Reece & Fox I thought they looked very composed and when Fox went off and Lucas then played at fullback it seemed to put us back and Gillingham actually got on the ball a bit! Nige stated we missed Buxton's leadership & organising but I'm thinking he may have been done for pace all day against List? But to come back from 2 down and still loose the game well? COYB 👍🏻 ^^^^ This for me above really only I'm too idle to type it tonight. Hoarse too from shouting at the ref as you do. What's up with Harness, have I missed something?
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 12, 2019 20:05:22 GMT
Great football first half and we're 2 nil down? Even when moves broke down we won the ball straight back and began moving the ball well again, with them chasing shadows.... But if we don't take some of the chances created then the opposition gain in confidence and keep in their. We do seem to overplay or over think around our oppositions penalty area whilst trying to burst the net with every shot? It almost seems like we need to work on a pattern of play around the oppositions area to get shots off, but I'm sure they already do this in training? As for Reece & Fox I thought they looked very composed and when Fox went off and Lucas then played at fullback it seemed to put us back and Gillingham actually got on the ball a bit! Nige stated we missed Buxton's leadership & organising but I'm thinking he may have been done for pace all day against List? But to come back from 2 down and still loose the game well? COYB 👍🏻 ^^^^ This for me above really only I'm too idle to type it tonight. Hoarse too from shouting at the ref as you do. What's up with Harness, have I missed something? He’s ill.
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Post by realale on Jan 12, 2019 21:28:29 GMT
It all went wrong when NC made the substitution that took Fox off the pitch. Atkins and Fox were causing problems down the right hand side and when Clarke came on he never got the ball and so the threat disappeared.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 21:59:19 GMT
We've got a very inexperienced 18 year old left back in Hutchinson, a young central midfielder playing at right back in Fox, and Brayford playing center half when he's played right back pretty much all of his career. Plus throwing Akins out of position to right back for the last part of the game did us no favors. Our own worst enemies at times. The sooner Kyle is back in alongside Turner the better, even though at times his hot headedness can cost us, missing McCrory's experience too, might be time for Reece to have a break. Don't think Reece can be blamed at all for today and in fact I thought he had one of his best games. Reece is the future so keep him in for me as Damo's recent performances have been sub standard. If I sounded like I was blaming Reece I apologise. He has been fantastic but the game are catching up with him imo. I have watched the highlights on sky after coming back from the game and I am at a loss to explain NC comments in his post match interview? Brayford was outpaced for the first goal, nothing to do with Turner and remember Brays is a right back always will be its nonsense by NC to think a 31 yo 5’10” right back is going to be a centre back going forward as he had stated just one day earlier!! Yet today NC is looking for a centre back, presumambly because Brayford is now not good enough. It rubbish, complete petulant nonsense in the managers part. The second goal, Turner takesa yellow for the team after a terrible clearance gives him no other option. The goal from a free kick is nothing to do with the centre backs, its a free kick and Quinny handballs full stop. The 3rd goal is put in by a midfielder running into the box unmarked? NC can bring in another centre back but if he thinks that is the solution to the teams problems he is deluded
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Post by annable on Jan 12, 2019 22:34:30 GMT
Don't think Reece can be blamed at all for today and in fact I thought he had one of his best games. Reece is the future so keep him in for me as Damo's recent performances have been sub standard. If I sounded like I was blaming Reece I apologise. He has been fantastic but the game are catching up with him imo. I have watched the highlights on sky after coming back from the game and I am at a loss to explain NC comments in his post match interview? Brayford was outpaced for the first goal, nothing to do with Turner and remember Brays is a right back always will be its nonsense by NC to think a 31 yo 5’10” right back is going to be a centre back going forward as he had stated just one day earlier!! Yet today NC is looking for a centre back, presumambly because Brayford is now not good enough. It rubbish, complete petulant nonsense in the managers part. The second goal, Turner takesa yellow for the team after a terrible clearance gives him no other option. The goal from a free kick is nothing to do with the centre backs, its a free kick and Quinny handballs full stop. The 3rd goal is put in by a midfielder running into the box unmarked? NC can bring in another centre back but if he thinks that is the solution to the teams problems he is deluded I agree with your comments to some extent but as the old saying goes we attack as a team and defend as a team. It was clear from very early one that the only way they were going to score was if we were exposed against the pace of List or we made a mistake with passing it around in our own half. The first two goals came about by those exact things. There were times during the match when both Brayford and Turner strode forward with the ball at their feet and into midfield when it was clear that if we lost the ball we could be badly exposed with List waiting to pounce. I have loved the way we have attacked at times this season and whilst the way we move the ball from the back through midfield and to the edge of the opponents box is a strength at times it is also our greatest weakness when we lose the ball due to lack of pace through the centre of defence. Whether a new centre back is the answer, presumably one with a bit of pace, remains to be seen but if we are to continue trying to become a side that plays attacking free flowing football then we need our defenders to be more comfortable with the ball at their feet than perhaps they are now. Either way it sounds like one is coming in which could spell the end for a couple of the four experienced centre backs on the books who are all out of contract at the end of the season anyway.
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Post by britty on Jan 12, 2019 22:35:02 GMT
My thoughts on today:
Thought we lost something after miller went off. I know it's an obvious sub to make but I thought he was having a good game - arguably our best player IMO
It's easy to blame the defence when we have shipped 3 at home but we need to be more clinical up front. We should have been long out of sight before their winner
I can't remember the last time I thought boyce had an above average game. 3 league goals in 4 months?? Not good enough boycey. you spend a lot of time moaning at others on the pitch - time to stop moaning, step up and score your goals
We need to improve our balls into the box - lost count of how many were over hit today
How big was their keeper!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 22:39:27 GMT
In my opinion, the first goal, Brayford chose the wrong angle to try to close the lad down. He did out pace him (on that angle), but Brayford could have looked to shepherd rather than clear him out.
I normally find Nigel's post match comments interesting and cuttingly honest. I've not heard them yet, but I'm sure he would be extremely frustrated after that and capable as anyone at calling out those he felt may be at fault. The problem is, a microphone up your nose straight after the game occasionally leads to frustrations being audibalised.
From early doors he was not happy with the way the defence were managing things.
In the cold light of day I'm sure he will be equally frustrated with the missed chances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 22:41:03 GMT
My thoughts on today: Thought we lost something after miller went off. I know it's an obvious sub to make but I thought he was having a good game - arguably our best player IMO It's easy to blame the defence when we have shipped 3 at home but we need to be more clinical up front. We should have been long out of sight before their winner I can't remember the last time I thought boyce had an above average game. 3 league goals in 4 months?? Not good enough boycey. you spend a lot of time moaning at others on the pitch - time to stop moaning, step up and score your goals We need to improve our balls into the box - lost count of how many were over hit today How big was their keeper!?! The 'keeper was 8 foot 3. It is a fact.
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Post by superbrewer on Jan 12, 2019 22:41:55 GMT
Their goalie was 6' 9'' apparently.
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Post by insideleft on Jan 12, 2019 23:22:54 GMT
I think one or two posters above are piling in with a bit too much criticism. We’ve been playing 2 games a week for some time with a small , injury hit depleted squad. We all know the constraints we play under.
We absolutely dominated that game and again played a lot of good stuff yet have come away with nothing. Gillingham were/are a poor side. They had pace up front in List but that was it.
I came away from the ground irritated, frustrated and disappointed. How did we lose that? Why haven’t we won 5-0? We all feel we can push on. We’ve a good side. Nigel hopefully will have a long think because it’s 4 or 5 home games now.
I don’t think you can blame the defence. Gillingham had two attacks first half. A very dubious penalty and List outpaced Brayf and Turner on the break but I would say it was a good goal from a dangerous forward. I agree a defence without Fadz, Bucko, Damien and experienced keeper doesn’t look that strong but I think the problem is at the other end of the pitch where we are not burying games. I think we have to find a better way of playing with Liam Boyce. For all the possession and good play in and around the box the game seems to go on by him at times. Our strength is our midfield 3 who have been great all season but is there a way we can move to 2 up front to work with Boyce and give us more in the box. On his day he really can unlock defences.
A note to the jobsworths in the car park. There was chaos in the car park after the game because one of you lot again failed to open the Derby Road exit. It’s not acceptable just sackable.
A note to Radio Derby. If you don’t have the material to run the show to 6pm cut it short to 5.15. Don’t FFS read out Tweets from people clearly trying to just get on the radio. Nobody in that ground wants Clough sacked or Quinn castigated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 23:33:05 GMT
Their goalie was 6' 9'' apparently. No, he is 8ft 3, I read it on the same website where I saw that the Tories are compassionate...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 23:35:27 GMT
I think one or two posters above are piling in with a bit too much criticism. We’ve been playing 2 games a week for some time with a small , injury hit depleted squad. We all know the constraints we play under. We absolutely dominated that game and again played a lot of good stuff yet have come away with nothing. Gillingham were/are a poor side. They had pace up front in List but that was it. I came away from the ground irritated, frustrated and disappointed. How did we lose that? Why haven’t we won 5-0? We all feel we can push on. We’ve a good side. Nigel hopefully will have a long think because it’s 4 or 5 home games now. I don’t think you can blame the defence. Gillingham had two attacks first half. A very dubious penalty and List outpaced Brayf and Turner on the break but I would say it was a good goal from a dangerous forward. I agree a defence without Fadz, Bucko, Damien and experienced keeper doesn’t look that strong but I think the problem is at the other end of the pitch where we are not burying games. I think we have to find a better way of playing with Liam Boyce. For all the possession and good play in and around the box the game seems to go on by him at times. Our strength is our midfield 3 who have been great all season but is there a way we can move to 2 up front to work with Boyce and give us more in the box. On his day he really can unlock defences. A note to the jobsworths in the car park. There was chaos in the car park after the game because one of you lot again failed to open the Derby Road exit. It’s not acceptable just sackable. A note to Radio Derby. If you don’t have the material to run the show to 6pm cut it short to 5.15. Don’t FFS read out Tweets from people clearly trying to just get on the radio. Nobody in that ground wants Clough sacked or Quinn castigated. I agree with much of that, the bits I don't agree with, I can't be bothered to find now. Good lad insideleft, if only we had a really good one.
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