QPR

[observer]

Nov 23, 2015 9:58:47 GMT NobodyGood said:

Re: Stability is better,

I am not sure I agree, as stability means mediocrity. I'd sooner take a new manager every year if it meant we kept progressing.

A new manager every year in football rarely means a club is progressing

It normally means the opposite tbh

We have been lucky with appointments (albeit Ben makes his own luck)

Law of averages says sooner or later an unproven manager will take us backwards

I think challenging at the Top of League One is not the same as appointing managers when in League Two

We are in a position to attract established and proven managers now and Nigel knows the club and owner inside out

Plus he know the game inside out

[NobodyGood]

It normally means the opposite because the new manager is forced through sacking, as opposed to achieving.

I think I see your point, and merits of getting in someone like Clough.

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Nov 23, 2015 9:58:47 GMT NobodyGood said:

Re: Stability is better,

I am not sure I agree, as stability means mediocrity. I'd sooner take a new manager every year if it meant we kept progressing.

We progressed every year under Clough, bar one, that was the time we finished runner up un the Southern League two seasons running.

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Nov 23, 2015 10:02:21 GMT @peacockbrewer said:

This is clipped from a FB post, the most sensible thing I have heard on this topic....

"I think if we were mid-table or lower then yes, he is the man to keep us steady.

But this is probably our best ever chance of making the Championship. It's a chance we need to have a strong crack at, & I don't see Clough as an 'impact manager'. I think we'd need to replace Jimmy (if he goes) with someone similar who can have the same impact on the players as he did when he came in.

I don't think Clough would be the right man at this point in time. I feel heartless for saying it as we owe him so much! But thinking about it with my head not my heart."

And, although I have been keeping quiet on this topic, WHEN JFH does leave BAFC one name I would throw in the hat is Kevin Phillips.

I don't understand where the evidence is that Clough would only be a manager that would keep us steady in the mid table or lower, (but as it happens I would take steady). We made consistent upwards progress under Clough for ten years. Derby made upward progress under Clough, Sheffield United made upward progress under Clough.

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Well we can only speculate as to what the writers inference was. I thought his point was that IF Jimmy goes we would need an 'impact manager' to get it done 'this year'. Like Jimmy last year. ??

[E.D.]

Nov 23, 2015 8:46:55 GMT observer said:

But is it time to stop appointing up and coming managers who will inevitably just use us as a stepping stone if they are successful

We are League One now. At the right end.

My reason for thinking of Nigel is I believe he would be happy to commit to us longer term at this stage of his career and allow us to cement a back room team and long term plan.

Solid, consistent management rather than stop/start roller coaster ride where we are always looking over our shoulder?



I realise you need a bit of luck appointing managers. I just think Nigel would be a solid appointment and more likely a long term one than another untried up and coming type who you can never be sure will deliver until you see them in action

JFH and Rowett a hard act to follow for an unproven manager. It could go both ways let's be honest.

The thing is observer, if managers do use BAFC as a successful stepping stone, then it means they are taking us onwards and upwards on their coat tails.

I agree though that another unproven manager could go either way.

[scoot]

Nov 23, 2015 14:29:48 GMT @funky said:

Nov 23, 2015 10:02:21 GMT @peacockbrewer said:

This is clipped from a FB post, the most sensible thing I have heard on this topic....

"I think if we were mid-table or lower then yes, he is the man to keep us steady.

But this is probably our best ever chance of making the Championship. It's a chance we need to have a strong crack at, & I don't see Clough as an 'impact manager'. I think we'd need to replace Jimmy (if he goes) with someone similar who can have the same impact on the players as he did when he came in.

I don't think Clough would be the right man at this point in time. I feel heartless for saying it as we owe him so much! But thinking about it with my head not my heart."

And, although I have been keeping quiet on this topic, WHEN JFH does leave BAFC one name I would throw in the hat is Kevin Phillips.

I don't understand where the evidence is that Clough would only be a manager that would keep us steady in the mid table or lower, (but as it happens I would take steady). We made consistent upwards progress under Clough for ten years. Derby made upward progress under Clough, Sheffield United made upward progress under Clough.

Cloughies first season at Sheffield United. Took over with United in 23rd mid October. Finished 7th and reached an FA Cup final. Thats one hell of an impact.

[brewersinramland]

And if the Blades hadn't been so impatient I'd expect that they wouldn't be languishing behind a tinpot non-league team that's built success steadily.

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Nov 23, 2015 22:07:18 GMT scoot said:

Nov 23, 2015 14:29:48 GMT @funky said:

I don't understand where the evidence is that Clough would only be a manager that would keep us steady in the mid table or lower, (but as it happens I would take steady). We made consistent upwards progress under Clough for ten years. Derby made upward progress under Clough, Sheffield United made upward progress under Clough.

Cloughies first season at Sheffield United. Took over with United in 23rd mid October. Finished 7th and reached an FA Cup final. Thats one hell of an impact.

Semi final I think, but hell yes!

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Nov 23, 2015 22:19:51 GMT brewersinramland said:

And if the Blades hadn't been so impatient I'd expect that they wouldn't be languishing behind a tinpot non-league team that's built success steadily.

Undoubtedly! :-)

If Wikipedia is to be believed, the second best ever win percentage of all the Pigs United managers, just behind Danny Wilson (proper Owl) who was also sacked outrageously. The current Nigel at Barmy Lane is also doing quite well, but you have to think that he has wasted time that Cloughie would not have had to if he had been retained. I still think them and Coventry will be the teams to beat this season.

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Nov 23, 2015 22:19:51 GMT brewersinramland said:

And if the Blades hadn't been so impatient I'd expect that they wouldn't be languishing behind a tinpot non-league team that's built success steadily.

Yes, that team build steadily during Nigel's 10 years, but over the past 28 months it has been meteoric and without a real budget for signing players. (Not that Nigel had a budget either). I'm not not anti-Nigel, I just don't think he would be the right candidate IF Jimmy goes, plus I think he has his eye on the Forest job, another club to save from relegation plus the family history.

[scoot]

Nov 23, 2015 22:30:58 GMT @funky said:

Nov 23, 2015 22:07:18 GMT scoot said:

Cloughies first season at Sheffield United. Took over with United in 23rd mid October. Finished 7th and reached an FA Cup final. Thats one hell of an impact.

Semi final I think, but hell yes!

Yeah my bad semis is what I meant. League Cup semi final and a playoff finish the season after too. IF JFH does go I personally would be delighted to see Clough return.

[mikeyboy]

Nov 23, 2015 22:56:34 GMT scoot said:

Nov 23, 2015 22:30:58 GMT @funky said:

Semi final I think, but hell yes!

Yeah my bad semis is what I meant. League Cup semi final and a playoff finish the season after too. IF JFH does go I personally would be delighted to see Clough return.

Me too - bring him on, as it would be our best ever chance of a long term appointment.

[observer]

Fact is we know that we have JFH short term at best

Given the choice I would take Nigel long term now and sacrifice JFH rather than risk Nigel was not available should JFH stay short term

Give Nigel the job and give him a few shares in the club. I believe we get a long term stable club then. A stable club in League One would be a dream for most fans a few years ago.

Flirting with Championship even better and a bonus.

JFH has done a great job and wish him well for the future but the club is bigger than the manager

Obviously as things are we are entirely in JFH hands as to what happens. I don't really like that situation. Would prefer for us to be in control of what happens next.

I don't like us playing Wigan away with thge players not sure of the future of the manager. Under the same circumstances we didn't do well under Rowett.

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Well Jimmy has said several times that he has a project to finish here. So I don't see the fact that he is short term. He is still our manager and I think all the speculation and and doubt surrounding his position surely isn't serving anyone in a positive way and no different than media reports written to sell papers.

Edit: I don't recall this type of thing going on 13 months ago? I guess we're all worried about losing Jimmy.

But we (the club) are totally in Ben Robinsons hands as to what happens, not Jimmy's! If Ben is not happy with things he can sack him and bring in a better solution, not that I think that will happen. And how does anyone know that if Nigel came back and did really well that media reports would not link him to every new managers job and cause someone to start a thread like this? No one knows that. Fact.

[bennyboy]

Last time I looked the QPR fans forum had a thread up to 15 pages long, just on JFH will he won't he talk. It's much the same here about JFH and of course who will take over. It's natural for us to talk about this and other speculation around us and other clubs but I don't think it does any good regards the togetherness of the squad. As I said in another thread, we had this once Rowett was recognised as a very good manager and started getting linked with other vacancies, we hit a blip in performances/results. Now I see they are already talking will JFH stop very long at QPR (if he does a good job that is) They say the bigger fish will come a calling, who knows?

Yes Nigel Clough will be a better proposition (here we go, speculation again) but do you think he will want to return to a previous club he managed? I think at some point he is best suited to a club like Forest where he can work his magic, his staff (backroom team) are used to higher wages now than Burton can afford surely. All this is in the air, he's got to be able to get along with the owner/chairman Fawaz, that's an interesting combo, if it happens.

Like others have said, why doesn't Jimmy just say no, I'm here to see the project out, so back off anyone that thinks otherwise. So no word from him is worrying, whether it's his style or not, I just wish for that little word, preferably before tonights game.

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Nov 24, 2015 10:18:14 GMT @peacockbrewer said:

Well Jimmy has said several times that he has a project to finish here. So I don't see the fact that he is short term. He is still our manager and I think all the speculation and and doubt surrounding his position surely isn't serving anyone in a positive way and no different than media reports written to sell papers.

Edit: I don't recall this type of thing going on 13 months ago? I guess we're all worried about losing Jimmy.

But we (the club) are totally in Ben Robinsons hands as to what happens, not Jimmy's! If Ben is not happy with things he can sack him and bring in a better solution, not that I think that will happen. And how does anyone know that if Nigel came back and did really well that media reports would not link him to every new managers job and cause someone to start a thread like this? No one knows that. Fact.

Implying that no one was REALLY that bothered about losing "he who shall not be named", yes?

[observer]

If he answered questions on this then we wouldn't like the answers I am sure

But saying nothing to distance himself does tell us a bit

He has to want to speak to a club like QPR

When he said he had a job to finish here he cannot have anticipated who would show an interest and when

Ben can't sack him - its not realistic. It's an awkward situation. And I don't believe we are in control of it

My suggestion of Nigel bringing stability only works if we can get that stability and commitment

I just think he is one of the few managers we might get it from. If ben could do something clever.

[observer]

Latest odds have JFH 8/11 odds on for the job

And second favourite is now Gary Rowett!!

Nobody else really in the betting

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Nov 24, 2015 16:51:29 GMT @spence said:

Nov 24, 2015 10:18:14 GMT @peacockbrewer said:

Well Jimmy has said several times that he has a project to finish here. So I don't see the fact that he is short term. He is still our manager and I think all the speculation and and doubt surrounding his position surely isn't serving anyone in a positive way and no different than media reports written to sell papers.

Edit: I don't recall this type of thing going on 13 months ago? I guess we're all worried about losing Jimmy.

But we (the club) are totally in Ben Robinsons hands as to what happens, not Jimmy's! If Ben is not happy with things he can sack him and bring in a better solution, not that I think that will happen. And how does anyone know that if Nigel came back and did really well that media reports would not link him to every new managers job and cause someone to start a thread like this? No one knows that. Fact.

Implying that no one was REALLY that bothered about losing "he who shall not be named", yes?

How on earth did you manage to come up with that idea?