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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 2, 2024 13:01:50 GMT
I listened to the interview and the impression I got was that Ben felt that the supporters now remaining are the loyal, long term fans who are likely to renew even if the club is relegated. It's going to be difficult next season how it stands at moment. I didn't go Saturday got a ticket for the Cheltenham game I hope it's not my last game at the Pirelli. Maybe I will be coming next season if Burton go down. It won't be more or less every home game. I plan to split my games like some of the Derby fans. I'm from Tamworth so I all ready planned to watch some of there games in the National League what ever happened. Might even pop along to a couple of Derby County games. I'm retired why not? I have always been honest with my interests with Derby and Tamworth. Last 8 years I have enjoyed and loved the club until recently, but all good things come to a end. I will be back. |
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Post by annable on Apr 2, 2024 13:19:53 GMT
I listened to the interview and the impression I got was that Ben felt that the supporters now remaining are the loyal, long term fans who are likely to renew even if the club is relegated. It's going to be difficult next season how it stands at moment. I didn't go Saturday got a ticket for the Cheltenham game I hope it's not my last game at the Pirelli. Maybe I will be coming next season if Burton go down. It won't be more or less every home game. I plan to split my games like some of the Derby fans. I'm from Tamworth so I all ready planned to watch some of there games in the National League what ever happened. Might even pop along to a couple of Derby County games. I'm retired why not? I have always been honest with my interests with Derby and Tamworth. Last 8 years I have enjoyed and loved the club until recently, but all good things come to a end. I will be back. That's the spirit. You sound a bit of a glory hunter to me, Andrew. See you in October when we're top of L2 with Stockton and Gordon banging in the goals? |
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 2, 2024 13:51:10 GMT
What a mess four seasons of continual struggle,always going to happen that relegation would eventually happen? You sell your best players when someone waves a cheque book,and replace them with someone who is not of the same standard,the recent radio derby interview did really emphasise that the chairman has a good head for business,and he is still more than capable of running this club,what it did also show that season ticket holders that were not going to renew,that he was not particularly bothered if they did or they didn’t. Surely supporters are customers of a business this being a football club,I do find it that the club as a whole can’t be bothered with finding out why people will not be renewing,they should be proactive in not ignoring the situation. As a whole this season has been a disaster and sorry the chairman and the board whoever they are must take the blame,I can’t blame the current manager it’s a job well beyond anyone’s capabilities with your hands tied behind your back. Unfortunately it reminds of Doug Ellis at Aston Villa again careful with money and good at business,but held that club back through lack of investment during his later years in charge. It’s now happened at Burton Albion lack of investment has cost the club dearly,should the chairman now sell that’s up to him,but clearly things will not change until that happens. Anyone who thinks that League Two will be easier are in for a real shock,with the current squad it would be a struggle,the club would do well to avoid relegation. I’ve watched the club in non-league and have seen them rise up the league’s,I’m in know doubt if this current situation continues I will be around to see them drop back into non-league football. That's a bit of a stretch, railway, comparing Doug Ellis holding back Aston Villa to Ben Robinson at Burton Albion... I believe that without Ben's ambition, business acumen, careful stewardship and love for Burton Albion, we'd have had continuous non-league football for the last 20 years and most likely not achieved even National level football if the previous 50 had continued.... As fergo rightly says... It ain't over till it's over... Keep fighting lads, keep supporting, fans! When the going gets tough, supporters have a significant role to play in the survival battle.... tho I suppose it's easier to moan and boo and tell everyone where it all went wrong, how it could've, would've, should've been different...preparing for the eventual 'I told you so! ' Everard to be honest at the start of the Port Vale game and the Barnsley game the fans in the South Stand were FANTASTIC. Clapping the team onto the field and giving, terrific, noisy support. I don’t know what it was like on the Pop Side or the Don Amott, but I’d guess similar and the fans were right behind the team and Martin. They are just looking for similar commitment from the players and to be given something to cheer. It’s been too long at the Pirelli since we had something to shout about. |
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 2, 2024 14:16:43 GMT
If anyone is on Twitter, just look at this from Deji, he's been riding the gravy train all season. I'm not saying the defence did itself any favours, but that is laziness beyond belief.
As for what Mikeyboy said above, I think our fanbase have just run out of patience with what they've been seeing on the pitch. Even die-hard fans who have watched and supported the club for years have been left bereft of hope, I speak to many elderly fans at work, who have seen darker days than this in the past, who are just fed up with it. It's just been so boring and gutless as I've said many times. A lack of will to win.
We've had relegation battles before, I remember them very well in the Conference and League Two under Nigel & Pesh, but one thing you'd always get from us, even if we were struggling, was commitment, fight and a never say die attitude, have we had any of that this season? Very little IMO. The likes of Brayford and a few others have stood up and been counted, but the majority just don't look like they give a toss if we go down. If you lack ability you make up for it with effort, if you have neither, you'll never succeed.
A very bad mentality has reared itself around the club, whether that started under Jimmy or reared it's head under Dino I'm not too sure. How many times have the players been pointing fingers at each other after games this season, there's no togetherness, no teamwork, too many individuals.
We've got a very forgiving fanbase, and always have had, with low expectations, but you can only lower your expectations so far. A few boos after games is nothing to what other fanbases would be doing. We're going into every game expecting a lazy/boring & negative performance and a loss to top it off, and they are duly serving that up for us. A few years back, we'd be going away to a side like Portsmouth or a Sheffield Wednesday and thinking, this is tough but you know what, we can get something here, and on occasion, we bloody well did, contrast that to now, didn't even look arsed against bottom of the league Carlisle, and then don't even turn up in a relegation Derby against Port Vale who were in some of the worst form imaginable. This lot aren't Burton Albion, they are frauds.
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 2, 2024 14:53:35 GMT
It's going to be difficult next season how it stands at moment. I didn't go Saturday got a ticket for the Cheltenham game I hope it's not my last game at the Pirelli. Maybe I will be coming next season if Burton go down. It won't be more or less every home game. I plan to split my games like some of the Derby fans. I'm from Tamworth so I all ready planned to watch some of there games in the National League what ever happened. Might even pop along to a couple of Derby County games. I'm retired why not? I have always been honest with my interests with Derby and Tamworth. Last 8 years I have enjoyed and loved the club until recently, but all good things come to a end. I will be back. That's the spirit. You sound a bit of a glory hunter to me, Andrew. See you in October when we're top of L2 with Stockton and Gordon banging in the goals? |
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Post by DC on Apr 2, 2024 14:54:20 GMT
Deji is a disgrace but ultimately it's Paterson that keeps playing him, more fool him.
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 2, 2024 15:02:21 GMT
That's the spirit. You sound a bit of a glory hunter to me, Andrew. See you in October when we're top of L2 with Stockton and Gordon banging in the goals? Glory hunter watching Burton Albion you are having a laugh. Only came to watch Burton 8 yrs ago because it's half way between Tamworth and Derby. How do you think Tamworth fc are going to get on in the National League not being professional, come on. 🤔😂 |
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 2, 2024 15:13:01 GMT
It's going to be difficult next season how it stands at moment. I didn't go Saturday got a ticket for the Cheltenham game I hope it's not my last game at the Pirelli. Maybe I will be coming next season if Burton go down. It won't be more or less every home game. I plan to split my games like some of the Derby fans. I'm from Tamworth so I all ready planned to watch some of there games in the National League what ever happened. Might even pop along to a couple of Derby County games. I'm retired why not? I have always been honest with my interests with Derby and Tamworth. Last 8 years I have enjoyed and loved the club until recently, but all good things come to a end. I will be back. That's the spirit. You sound a bit of a glory hunter to me, Andrew. See you in October when we're top of L2 with Stockton and Gordon banging in the goals? Stockton will not be back. And if this clown is still in charge I will be paying over £20 to see the opposition banging in the goals in our net. |
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 2, 2024 15:31:03 GMT
If anyone is on Twitter, just look at this from Deji, he's been riding the gravy train all season. I'm not saying the defence did itself any favours, but that is laziness beyond belief. As for what Mikeyboy said above, I think our fanbase have just run out of patience with what they've been seeing on the pitch. Even die-hard fans who have watched and supported the club for years have been left bereft of hope, I speak to many elderly fans at work, who have seen darker days than this in the past, who are just fed up with it. It's just been so boring and gutless as I've said many times. A lack of will to win. We've had relegation battles before, I remember them very well in the Conference and League Two under Nigel & Pesh, but one thing you'd always get from us, even if we were struggling, was commitment, fight and a never say die attitude, have we had any of that this season? Very little IMO. The likes of Brayford and a few others have stood up and been counted, but the majority just don't look like they give a toss if we go down. If you lack ability you make up for it with effort, if you have neither, you'll never succeed. A very bad mentality has reared itself around the club, whether that started under Jimmy or reared it's head under Dino I'm not too sure. How many times have the players been pointing fingers at each other after games this season, there's no togetherness, no teamwork, too many individuals. We've got a very forgiving fanbase, and always have had, with low expectations, but you can only lower your expectations so far. A few boos after games is nothing to what other fanbases would be doing. We're going into every game expecting a lazy/boring & negative performance and a loss to top it off, and they are duly serving that up for us. A few years back, we'd be going away to a side like Portsmouth or a Sheffield Wednesday and thinking, this is tough but you know what, we can get something here, and on occasion, we bloody well did, contrast that to now, didn't even look arsed against bottom of the league Carlisle, and then don't even turn up in a relegation Derby against Port Vale who were in some of the worst form imaginable. This lot aren't Burton Albion, they are frauds. That’s shocking quite frankly Fred. |
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Post by bartonyellow on Apr 2, 2024 16:55:21 GMT
If anyone is on Twitter, just look at this from Deji, he's been riding the gravy train all season. I'm not saying the defence did itself any favours, but that is laziness beyond belief. As for what Mikeyboy said above, I think our fanbase have just run out of patience with what they've been seeing on the pitch. Even die-hard fans who have watched and supported the club for years have been left bereft of hope, I speak to many elderly fans at work, who have seen darker days than this in the past, who are just fed up with it. It's just been so boring and gutless as I've said many times. A lack of will to win. We've had relegation battles before, I remember them very well in the Conference and League Two under Nigel & Pesh, but one thing you'd always get from us, even if we were struggling, was commitment, fight and a never say die attitude, have we had any of that this season? Very little IMO. The likes of Brayford and a few others have stood up and been counted, but the majority just don't look like they give a toss if we go down. If you lack ability you make up for it with effort, if you have neither, you'll never succeed. A very bad mentality has reared itself around the club, whether that started under Jimmy or reared it's head under Dino I'm not too sure. How many times have the players been pointing fingers at each other after games this season, there's no togetherness, no teamwork, too many individuals. We've got a very forgiving fanbase, and always have had, with low expectations, but you can only lower your expectations so far. A few boos after games is nothing to what other fanbases would be doing. We're going into every game expecting a lazy/boring & negative performance and a loss to top it off, and they are duly serving that up for us. A few years back, we'd be going away to a side like Portsmouth or a Sheffield Wednesday and thinking, this is tough but you know what, we can get something here, and on occasion, we bloody well did, contrast that to now, didn't even look arsed against bottom of the league Carlisle, and then don't even turn up in a relegation Derby against Port Vale who were in some of the worst form imaginable. This lot aren't Burton Albion, they are frauds. That’s shocking quite frankly Fred. Shocking as in, unfounded and untrue ? Or shocking as the truth is hard to face ? |
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Post by annable on Apr 2, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
That's the spirit. You sound a bit of a glory hunter to me, Andrew. See you in October when we're top of L2 with Stockton and Gordon banging in the goals? Stockton will not be back. And if this clown is still in charge I will be paying over £20 to see the opposition banging in the goals in our net. Sorry Barton, that's was just me being sarcastic! |
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Post by annable on Apr 2, 2024 17:03:10 GMT
Glory hunter watching Burton Albion you are having a laugh. Only came to watch Burton 8 yrs ago because it's half way between Tamworth and Derby. How do you think Tamworth fc are going to get on in the National League not being professional, come on. 🤔😂 8 years ago you say? That was when we had the glory of back to back promotions wasn't it? As for Tamworth, speaking as a true Burton fan, I wish them all the best for next season and hope they finish comfortably 24th. |
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Post by keggy on Apr 2, 2024 17:29:36 GMT
If anyone is on Twitter, just look at this from Deji, he's been riding the gravy train all season. I'm not saying the defence did itself any favours, but that is laziness beyond belief. As for what Mikeyboy said above, I think our fanbase have just run out of patience with what they've been seeing on the pitch. Even die-hard fans who have watched and supported the club for years have been left bereft of hope, I speak to many elderly fans at work, who have seen darker days than this in the past, who are just fed up with it. It's just been so boring and gutless as I've said many times. A lack of will to win. We've had relegation battles before, I remember them very well in the Conference and League Two under Nigel & Pesh, but one thing you'd always get from us, even if we were struggling, was commitment, fight and a never say die attitude, have we had any of that this season? Very little IMO. The likes of Brayford and a few others have stood up and been counted, but the majority just don't look like they give a toss if we go down. If you lack ability you make up for it with effort, if you have neither, you'll never succeed. A very bad mentality has reared itself around the club, whether that started under Jimmy or reared it's head under Dino I'm not too sure. How many times have the players been pointing fingers at each other after games this season, there's no togetherness, no teamwork, too many individuals. We've got a very forgiving fanbase, and always have had, with low expectations, but you can only lower your expectations so far. A few boos after games is nothing to what other fanbases would be doing. We're going into every game expecting a lazy/boring & negative performance and a loss to top it off, and they are duly serving that up for us. A few years back, we'd be going away to a side like Portsmouth or a Sheffield Wednesday and thinking, this is tough but you know what, we can get something here, and on occasion, we bloody well did, contrast that to now, didn't even look arsed against bottom of the league Carlisle, and then don't even turn up in a relegation Derby against Port Vale who were in some of the worst form imaginable. This lot aren't Burton Albion, they are frauds. Its so easy to jump on Dejis back! Why not show the 2nd goal when half the team were involved, why not show Jasper making a right mess on Friday? |
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Post by andrewb77 on Apr 2, 2024 17:34:51 GMT
To be honest I agree and they probably will do. I can name 3 players who play for Tamworth one of them is that fat he's a joke. Derby County I can name none there players.
I just want to watch them in the National league again before I die. I probably will not have another chance.
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Post by DC on Apr 2, 2024 17:35:12 GMT
If anyone is on Twitter, just look at this from Deji, he's been riding the gravy train all season. I'm not saying the defence did itself any favours, but that is laziness beyond belief. As for what Mikeyboy said above, I think our fanbase have just run out of patience with what they've been seeing on the pitch. Even die-hard fans who have watched and supported the club for years have been left bereft of hope, I speak to many elderly fans at work, who have seen darker days than this in the past, who are just fed up with it. It's just been so boring and gutless as I've said many times. A lack of will to win. We've had relegation battles before, I remember them very well in the Conference and League Two under Nigel & Pesh, but one thing you'd always get from us, even if we were struggling, was commitment, fight and a never say die attitude, have we had any of that this season? Very little IMO. The likes of Brayford and a few others have stood up and been counted, but the majority just don't look like they give a toss if we go down. If you lack ability you make up for it with effort, if you have neither, you'll never succeed. A very bad mentality has reared itself around the club, whether that started under Jimmy or reared it's head under Dino I'm not too sure. How many times have the players been pointing fingers at each other after games this season, there's no togetherness, no teamwork, too many individuals. We've got a very forgiving fanbase, and always have had, with low expectations, but you can only lower your expectations so far. A few boos after games is nothing to what other fanbases would be doing. We're going into every game expecting a lazy/boring & negative performance and a loss to top it off, and they are duly serving that up for us. A few years back, we'd be going away to a side like Portsmouth or a Sheffield Wednesday and thinking, this is tough but you know what, we can get something here, and on occasion, we bloody well did, contrast that to now, didn't even look arsed against bottom of the league Carlisle, and then don't even turn up in a relegation Derby against Port Vale who were in some of the worst form imaginable. This lot aren't Burton Albion, they are frauds. Its so easy to jump on Dejis back! Why not show the 2nd goal when half the team were involved, why not show Jasper making a right mess on Friday? Agree to a point. Deji (amongst others) has been woeful all season but ultimately it was Dino, Mills, and now Paterson that have selected him week after week in a ridiculous position. |
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Post by sinfinbovril on Apr 2, 2024 19:07:57 GMT
The more I think about it - I blame EVERYONE:
The Players: Fred wrote this:
A very bad mentality has reared itself around the club, whether that started under Jimmy or reared it's head under Dino I'm not too sure. How many times have the players been pointing fingers at each other after games this season, there's no togetherness, no teamwork, too many individuals."
I picked JB as my player of the season. The defence (JB, Sweeney, Hughes, Moon, Hamer) never give up. What's in front of them....I can't be bothered to dissect it - it'd take me weeks. It's not hard to see Joe Powell is not a happy bunny. You can say "you get paid, do what the boss says' or you can sympathise with him. Your choice. I dunno. I've been in his position as a player and it grinds you down.
The Manager:
I still think this a good set of players. I've started staying behind after defeats to hear the chanting. After Barnsley, well, there's only one person blamed for that ("I quote: "Martin Paterson, get out of our club") because the players got a round of applause. Those subs at 1-1 on Monday were ridiculous. Don't get me started.
The Chairmen/Board:
Yes, the elephant in the room, as someone put it. In short, if you take the plaudits when it goes well, you should take the blame when it doesn't. That's why actors never read or believe their reviews.
Someone today asked me "What went wrong against Barnsley" and after twenty minutes of swearing, I beleive I had answered their question. Though I could've done with another ten minutes, probably.
PS Yes, we're all picking on Deji. I was quite vocal (at the Pirelli) for his contribution to Barnsley's 2nd goal and immediately felt bad. I shall stop and give him the respect he deserves. He is a Burton Albion player and I was completely out of order.
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Post by britty on Apr 2, 2024 19:35:53 GMT
As far the game yesterday, we lost because Barnsley spend more than twice the amount than we do on wages. They are a better team because of this. We didn't lose because MP bought Deji on, or the players didn't try, or any other reason than simply, Barnsley are a better team and have a better manager because they are able to spend more than twice what we do.
I take some positives from yesterday, we played well in the first half and if we take this in to the final games we may just stay up.
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 2, 2024 20:00:11 GMT
That’s shocking quite frankly Fred. Shocking as in, unfounded and untrue ? Or shocking as the truth is hard to face ? Shocking that he was just going through the motions. |
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Post by mikeyboy on Apr 2, 2024 20:03:51 GMT
As far the game yesterday, we lost because Barnsley spend more than twice the amount than we do on wages. They are a better team because of this. We didn't lose because MP bought Deji on, or the players didn't try, or any other reason than simply, Barnsley are a better team and have a better manager because they are able to spend more than twice what we do. I take some positives from yesterday, we played well in the first half and if we take this in to the final games we may just stay up. To be honest I thought it might well be more than twice. |
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Post by Fred Andrews on Apr 2, 2024 20:27:05 GMT
To be fair when we got promoted from League One back in 2015/16 we probably had one of the lowest wage budgets in the league and were facing the likes of Sheffield United, Coventry, Barnsley, Wigan, Millwall, Peterborough etc, overall not as strong as the quality of what we've faced this season but still (the likes of Southend, Bury, Oldham, Chesterfield), some of those bigger sides would've had wage bills at least double ours. Wigan spent a million on Will Grigg that season. Moncur went to Barnsley for £500k etc..
Money does help, but as we've proven many times before, it isn't everything. Just look at the Championship first season, and we should've arguably stayed up in the second as well. I bet some teams had budgets twenty or thirty times ours, Newcastle for example.
I think we've had more than enough of a budget over the last few years when you look at some of the players we've brought in, to do a lot more than we have. Bad tactics have been the biggest issue, alongside player underperformance. When you have a player of Joe Powells ability and play him out of position, when you sign Cole Stockton and completely mis-use him/alongside whatever other issues he had, play Deji as a No10 etc, all players on good money. We signed Josh Walker for £200k and played him more often than not out wide, the list goes on. We've made too many silly mistakes and it's cost us big time. If we signed Phil Foden we'd probably have him sat in front of the back five under the last few managers.
I hope we stay up, have a monumental clear-out in the summer, and get back to our roots of hard work and having a go at teams, like the old Burton Albion. We might not win them all, but lets at least give it a go.
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