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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:22:48 GMT
Watched the highlights, definite red card for me. If the ball goes over O'Hara's head, the Oldham striker gets there first and has an open goal.
One thing for sure, despite one piece of commentary on Radio Derby yesterday, it was definitely not a penalty.
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Post by kel on Dec 1, 2019 11:44:40 GMT
I thought it was a red card but i was at the other end of the pitch. When the goalie is jumping high for a ball it is hard for him to be sure when he is inside or outside the box. He wasn't under any real pressure at the time but he had to make a decision. The game was certainly one of two halves. We were in control for the first half. They must have had a good rollicking at half time because in the second half they were full of energy and commanded the play. If it hadn't been for poor finishing they could have had a goal or two. Ever so pleased that we didn't need a replayi and another mid week match to fit in.
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Post by brewersinramland on Dec 1, 2019 11:47:14 GMT
359 from Burton according to the Burton police. Don't know how they calculate though, is it only the number they know to be on coaches? Not seen an official attendance yet. As cbh says, according to the rules the ref got it right (and he clearly spoke to his assistant too). Their striker MIGHT have been through but he still had to reach the ball and JJ and Bucko were on their way across, so he didn't exactly have an empty net. That said, like cbh, my instant reaction was "he's gone." Boycie, in his after-match interview, thought so too. Match analysis here: www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/brewers-fa-cup-third-round-3596972Lovely stuff. Felt like I was there after reading the article.
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Post by trevor1946 on Dec 1, 2019 14:05:39 GMT
What a good week from a disappointing start 3 points from 2 very difficult away games, now into the hat for the 3rd round draw with £90-000 banked. A good all round performance competing all over the pitch, Temps was a constant menace,and with some major players missing Sbarra-Daniels=fitted in well. And we slogged it out with Oldham giving as good as we got, a typical cup tie away from home.A name that crops up a lot O""Hara had another good solid game and another clean sheet,and was all the talk after the match,yellow=red who knows,i know he should be available for Southend. At the end i expect their was some aching limbs and tired legs out their. But a lot of pride going into the next round. Poor old Nigel just hoping to put money into the January transfer window. At the end of a long week,what a nice feeling. P_S stretched the squad.
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Post by diegosideburns1 on Dec 1, 2019 16:29:16 GMT
The Liverpool keeper was sent off today for the same offence. Clough told your sub keeper to get ready to come on, knowing that it was a red card offence. It reminded me of the incompetent ref when the Brewers played Newcastle at St James' Park. An official apology from a ref is no consolation. It may have made no difference to the result, but 10 minutes against 10 men during Latics' best attacking spell and who knows? All we ask for is match officials who know the laws of the game. Good luck in the next round. Unfortunately it may well be that the match official DID know the laws of the game - which say that a deliberate handball that stops a ‘promising attack’ is a yellow card offence. As an Oldham player was not in possession of the ball at the time (agree it could be argued that if he doesn’t handle it the ball may well have been picked up by the striker) it is hard for him to see it as denying a clear goal scoring opportunity and therefore show red. I will admit I was expecting a red but having read up on it I can see why he gave yellow instead. When the keeper raced from his goal, with the striker heading towards him and defenders not near enough to tackle, he misjudged the bounce as the ball was about to go over his head. The only way he could stop the striker running behind him onto the ball was to reach up with both hands above his head and catch it. A definite red card offence! He stopped the possibility of an equalising goal and deprived me of hosting the Latics supporters for the replay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 16:32:00 GMT
Unfortunately it may well be that the match official DID know the laws of the game - which say that a deliberate handball that stops a ‘promising attack’ is a yellow card offence. As an Oldham player was not in possession of the ball at the time (agree it could be argued that if he doesn’t handle it the ball may well have been picked up by the striker) it is hard for him to see it as denying a clear goal scoring opportunity and therefore show red. I will admit I was expecting a red but having read up on it I can see why he gave yellow instead. When the keeper raced from his goal, with the striker heading towards him and defenders not near enough to tackle, he misjudged the bounce as the ball was about to go over his head. The only way he could stop the striker running behind him onto the ball was to reach up with both hands above his head and catch it. A definite red card offence! He stopped the possibility of an equalising goal and deprived me of hosting the Latics supporters for the replay. A clear red. But we would have scored another.
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Post by fergo on Dec 1, 2019 16:54:12 GMT
What a good week from a disappointing start 3 points from 2 very difficult away games, now into the hat for the 3rd round draw with £90-000 banked. A good all round performance competing all over the pitch, Temps was a constant menace,and with some major players missing Sbarra-Daniels=fitted in well. And we slogged it out with Oldham giving as good as we got, a typical cup tie away from home.A name that crops up a lot O""Hara had another good solid game and another clean sheet,and was all the talk after the match,yellow=red who knows,i know he should be available for Southend. At the end i expect their was some aching limbs and tired legs out their. But a lot of pride going into the next round. Poor old Nigel just hoping to put money into the January transfer window. At the end of a long week,what a nice feeling. P_S stretched the squad. Regarding Sbarra I would occasionally like him to have a that bit more confidence to try and beat / run past a full back. I was watching him yesterday and on a couple of occasions he hesitated slightly and went for a pass instead. Am not critisising him and maybe that will come. Look at Harness, who would have thought he would suddenly look the real deal last season.
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Post by colstoncrawford on Dec 1, 2019 18:52:49 GMT
I thought it was a red card but i was at the other end of the pitch. When the goalie is jumping high for a ball it is hard for him to be sure when he is inside or outside the box. He wasn't under any real pressure at the time but he had to make a decision. The game was certainly one of two halves. We were in control for the first half. They must have had a good rollicking at half time because in the second half they were full of energy and commanded the play. If it hadn't been for poor finishing they could have had a goal or two. Ever so pleased that we didn't need a replayi and another mid week match to fit in. No question at all that Kieran knew he was outside the box. He had an "oh shit" moment. His intention was to sweep up and head or kick it away... he's done it before and this is the first time, for us, that he's got it wrong. The way he hurled the ball away after he'd caught it looked to me like annoyance with himself... while I haven't spoken to him, I wouldn't be surprised if, at that moment, he thought "bloody hell, I'm getting sent off here." We got a break. We don't always. Boycie and Nigel both said as much in their interviews.... win some, lose some. Unlucky, Oldham... but you've got bigger things to worry about, like having a club at all. Still waiting for them to announce the attendance. Wonder why it's a secret?
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Post by fergo on Dec 1, 2019 19:12:25 GMT
Unfortunately it may well be that the match official DID know the laws of the game - which say that a deliberate handball that stops a ‘promising attack’ is a yellow card offence. As an Oldham player was not in possession of the ball at the time (agree it could be argued that if he doesn’t handle it the ball may well have been picked up by the striker) it is hard for him to see it as denying a clear goal scoring opportunity and therefore show red. I will admit I was expecting a red but having read up on it I can see why he gave yellow instead. When the keeper raced from his goal, with the striker heading towards him and defenders not near enough to tackle, he misjudged the bounce as the ball was about to go over his head. The only way he could stop the striker running behind him onto the ball was to reach up with both hands above his head and catch it. A definite red card offence! He stopped the possibility of an equalising goal and deprived me of hosting the Latics supporters for the replay. Good luck for the rest of the season diegosideburns1. Enjoyed the trip to Oldham, a 'proper' football ground and friendly people.
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Post by cbh1 on Dec 1, 2019 19:48:13 GMT
Unfortunately it may well be that the match official DID know the laws of the game - which say that a deliberate handball that stops a ‘promising attack’ is a yellow card offence. As an Oldham player was not in possession of the ball at the time (agree it could be argued that if he doesn’t handle it the ball may well have been picked up by the striker) it is hard for him to see it as denying a clear goal scoring opportunity and therefore show red. I will admit I was expecting a red but having read up on it I can see why he gave yellow instead. When the keeper raced from his goal, with the striker heading towards him and defenders not near enough to tackle, he misjudged the bounce as the ball was about to go over his head. The only way he could stop the striker running behind him onto the ball was to reach up with both hands above his head and catch it. A definite red card offence! He stopped the possibility of an equalising goal and deprived me of hosting the Latics supporters for the replay. Couple of points there Diego. You mention, and so have plenty of others, the red card for the Liverpool goalkeeper however there are crucial differences between the two incidents. In the Liverpool game the Brighton forward has taken a shot at goal, which appears to be going in. Alisson has come out of his box and stopped the ball from going into the net directly with his hands. Clear red card (and I say that as someone who has Liverpool as their second team, behind the Brewers). Compare to the Oldham/Burton incident yesterday the ball forward from the defender that Kieran stopped was not going directly into the goal, No Oldham player was in control of the ball when the handball occurred. It is quite possible/probable that the Oldham striker would have picked up possession but at the time was going away from goal on an angle. There were Burton defenders trying to come across. Not sure whether they would have got in a position to block though. Also the referee clearly got a message in his ear as well from either the assistant or fourth official before he decided to show the yellow card. You say yourself, 'He stopped the POSSIBILITY of an equalising goal' not a PROBABLE goal. Therefore he stopped a 'promising attack' and was rightly yellow carded as it was not deemed the denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity which would have been red as per the current laws of the game. Also once the goalkeeper comes out of the area, he is treated the same as an outfield player in terms of handball incidents. As I said, at the time, I along with most others of a Burton persuasion were expecting red. I am sure some referees would have shown red. Mr Davies, a Championship referee, opted for yellow. Perhaps we got lucky. We have had some ludicrously bad decisions go against us this season so I am not going to feed bad about a borderline decision going in our favour for a change. Also. Agree with Colston. Why have Oldham failed to announce an attendance for yesterday? The @policebafc Twitter feed were given an away attendance but no overall number announced so looks suspicious especially as gate receipts (however small) are shared. Good luck for the rest of the season and the future. Keep fighting for your club. A proper welcoming Northern club with a proud history.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 1, 2019 20:18:48 GMT
Agree, the stewards and club staff were all really friendly, the chap on the way out even wished us good luck for the next round and he hoped we get a draw somewhere warmer!
Attendance was pretty low, if I was guessing I’d say about 2000, maybe 2500 maximum
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Post by annable on Dec 1, 2019 20:46:29 GMT
Great to get another win and make it into the third round where hopefully we will get a plum draw where we can get some decent gates receipts or a game on TV.
Didn't go to the game but the reports suggested that we were the better team and deserved to go through. Clearly the handball could have gone either way but was it a game changer? Not really given that we had a sub keeper on the bench and would have just subbed off a forward and most likely seen the game out with ten men for the remaining ten minutes or so. They will argue differently of course and can use it as an excuse if they want but the fact is they didn't score in a home cup tie and according to reports persisted with one up front all match and didn't really throw the kitchen sink at us.
Two big winnable home games coming up where if we can pick up six points it will put us comfortably top half and hopefully closer to the play off places before we test ourselves against the current league leaders away. Exciting times and let's hope everybody stays fit.
COYB!!!!
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Post by colstoncrawford on Dec 1, 2019 21:15:38 GMT
Agree, the stewards and club staff were all really friendly, the chap on the way out even wished us good luck for the next round and he hoped we get a draw somewhere warmer! Attendance was pretty low, if I was guessing I’d say about 2000, maybe 2500 maximum It was sharp contrast to Sunderland, where there were hundreds of people in suits and club ties not really doing anything. Press room loaded with food at Sunderland. But I felt more comfortable at Oldham. The lady that gave me my ticket told me where to go to get in: "Knock three times on the wooden gates!" she said. Brilliant. I wish I'd thought to say "twice on the pipe?" but that one came from a friend later... * should add, they were also friendly at Sunderland. It was the "Premier League set up" of Sunderland that was the sharp contrast
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Post by observer on Dec 2, 2019 14:42:01 GMT
Just seen the goal
That was quality!
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Post by gorbybrewer66 on Dec 2, 2019 18:40:41 GMT
Attendance 2,858 according to OAFC official site.
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Post by bennyboy on Dec 2, 2019 20:48:40 GMT
Agree, the stewards and club staff were all really friendly, the chap on the way out even wished us good luck for the next round and he hoped we get a draw somewhere warmer! Attendance was pretty low, if I was guessing I’d say about 2000, maybe 2500 maximum It was sharp contrast to Sunderland, where there were hundreds of people in suits and club ties not really doing anything. Press room loaded with food at Sunderland. But I felt more comfortable at Oldham. The lady that gave me my ticket told me where to go to get in: "Knock three times on the wooden gates!" she said. Brilliant. I wish I'd thought to say "twice on the pipe?" but that one came from a friend later... * should add, they were also friendly at Sunderland. It was the "Premier League set up" of Sunderland that was the sharp contrast "twice on the pipe?" I bet that one dawn-ed on you afterwards.
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