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Post by riverman on Aug 22, 2019 7:37:56 GMT
I think we needed this year to try a Bradford style season ticket offer. Or kids for a quid Or something different to pull people in. We do need to knock down the popside now and build a smart single tier seated stand like at Oldham.. As I think standing puts people off. Those in Barton I speak to say it does for them. I live in Barton and I much prefer standing.
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 22, 2019 7:48:47 GMT
I am also pro-standing / anti-seating. I like not having to bob up and down as the ball comes to the box, or for a corner etc. I am below the average age of most of our fans though !
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Post by insideleft on Aug 22, 2019 8:55:34 GMT
Personally I think you have to look at what has happened at other clubs where seats have been installed or they have moved to a new ground. Rotherham, Saturdays opponents are a good example, as from memory their crowds at Millmoor we frequently 3,000 ish but the move to the New York Stadium has increased that to above 10,000. Doncaster would be similar and Oxford another example. Seats and an enhanced match day experience are the key I’m sure.
I’d certainly agree with this.
I’m sure there are many stats out there and/or newspaper articles detailing the increase in attendances when clubs have moved to all seater or improved seating stadiums. Come on Trevor your job for the day!
As Broomo says above you would hope somebody at the club is continually looking at this issue but we have no real right to demand or expect all seating. We are who we are! we deliver what is affordable.
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 22, 2019 10:45:56 GMT
I've stood with a good number of regulars on the popside over the years, there every match without fail. Since we dropped back to L1 some stopped attending, citing they won't be back until a change of management. It's absolutely barmy the way some folk expect us to compete with the bigger clubs yet stay away. Notice I didn't call them fans, they certainly are not, their loss, we are playing some good stuff ATM. When Ben Robinson took charge.he could not believe someone of the stature of Nigel Clough applied to manage the Brewers,in his 10 year stint, they dug the footings and built a base to begin building work, On reaching the football league,all methods had been tried and tested. We then had new people in charge following the same ground rules,between Administration and football matters Peski -Rowett-built a strong lg 2 squad,with Peski going in 20/12 and Rowett in 2014/15. After 6 seasons J-F-H led them to be champions and lg 1,after a short spell in dec 2015 he left. Meanwhile in Burton's history==Robi nson and Clough their vision of a well run football club remains. 1950 before Clough. 8 seasons in Birmingham lg runnners up 1953== 21 seasons in the southern lg 1974 runners up====1979 joined northern league for 8 seasons===1987 back to the southern lg 14 seasons in 1998 Clough became the manager, .he led them to runners up in 1999 /2000 and 2000/01 .Burton then was moved to the Northern lg which they won by 15 points. The club were then promoted to the football Conference for the first time,during this time they moved to the Pirelli Stadium,,In Jan 2009 Clough left with Burton top of the conference by 13 points. Southern lg runners up twice===Northern premier champions==instrumental in winning the conference and league football.Runners up in League 1 2 seasons of championship football==stability has a league 1 club=====he is a legend in Burton football history and our most successful manager and by far our longest serving, So wanting to see him leave is madness===He is our talisman and a true professional and miracle worker
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 22, 2019 13:57:50 GMT
Derby moved from, 12000 to 17-18000 at the baseball ground and gambled on Pride park a multi modern 32000 football stadium, This was done on successful football,playing in the top league of English football. Burton Albion are totally different, they are a non-league club who a £20,000 player was as good has it got. The Pirelli was a dream come true 6-912 with a all seater stand and banqueting facility's. Clough had guided them into league 2 and staying there was key. So with a record £20-000 player and 6912 capacity the club was well prepared for league football. fans would come when their club was away it was a novelty.Moving into league 1 has champions made a statement on the field, losing the manager to a big club yet again,was inevitable.the fan base was still poor. Working with the community trust and making the football club part of the community,still found a luke warm reception,and gates were still poor, At a pivotal moment in the clubs history Clough came back got automatic promotion and delivered Championship football for 2 seasons.This left all other achievements in the back water. players costing 100 of thousand pounds, current internationals 4 in one squad,Looking at Making the ground bigger temporary stands, The club holds back,this is new territory=Villa =Derby= Newcastle =Forest =Leeds all demanding as many tickets that Burton Will give,and most championship teams will take their allocation. Events on the field had gone through the roof. the Burton fans 2-500 enjoyed all the success and many demanded more. Still gates were poor. Some poor souls even thought we should compete and 11 v 11 means we should become a championship club. Ben Robinson had to publicly explain financially we could not compete at this level.Still the 2500 came.and many complained football at this level is to expensive. league 2==league 1==championship the 5th lowest attendances in the football league. Burton Albion have stood tall has a football club,and been at the heart of the community.and delivered success on the field,beyond dreams, And thank im sure the loyal 2500 who hold this small backwater club in the highest esteem
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 22, 2019 14:34:25 GMT
Moving forward 11000 fans visiting old Trafford must have Taken The club by surprise,and to assume a successful club could easily build a fan base from this Since that time the club have moved in leaps and bounds but the fan base has not. Keeping the Administration and football matters separate means their is only so much that can be spent on stadium improvements. Seating is something the club would have looked at,plus filling in the corners.3000 fans bring in approx one and a half million,this would be players budget,so to increase another 3000 fans would mean approx 3 million, very little if wanting to challenge for championship football. imagine 6000 home fans,and i would think Ben did at Championship level.So i would imagine ground spending took the same route as 11000 at Old Trafford. Running a league 1 club on our finances makes future expenditure very difficult,I am sure Ben would like to leave a modern stadium for the brewers. But others might think, a non league museum.is what they deserve, In the meantime it is carry on having a stroll to the Pirelli,and hope we sell away tickets to a 3 sided standing stadium ,Any thing that reduces our income is a nail in the coffin of league 1 football. Forgot we reached the semi final of the league cup last season,so much happens on the pitch, Burton Football club advertises itself in what it has achieved.And everyone who drinks Carlin on the glass it says brewed in BURTON ON TRENT. and i think==the home of football
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Post by bartonyellow on Aug 22, 2019 18:15:15 GMT
I think we needed this year to try a Bradford style season ticket offer. Or kids for a quid Or something different to pull people in. We do need to knock down the popside now and build a smart single tier seated stand like at Oldham.. As I think standing puts people off. Those in Barton I speak to say it does for them. I live in Barton and I much prefer standing. Lovely. I did not conduct a straw poll of everyone in the village, but those I spoke to cited it as a reason for not going (those with children)
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Post by britty on Aug 22, 2019 20:05:01 GMT
I live in Barton and I much prefer standing. Lovely. I did not conduct a straw poll of everyone in the village, but those I spoke to cited it as a reason for not going (those with children) I also live in Barton and for what it's worth..... I prefer standing with my 6 year old when he can see, prefer seated when it's really busy.... Not sure how this affects the Barton survey?
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 22, 2019 20:35:36 GMT
My friend from Barton prefers standing.
Shall we carry out a complete survey of the population of Barton?
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Post by bartonyellow on Aug 22, 2019 20:40:25 GMT
My friend from Barton prefers standing. Shall we carry out a complete survey of the population of Barton? 😁 Its on. I will start with the Co.op staff tomorrow morning and then move on to the church after.
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Post by riverman on Aug 22, 2019 20:49:04 GMT
My friend from Barton prefers standing. Shall we carry out a complete survey of the population of Barton? 😁 Its on. I will start with the Co.op staff tomorrow morning and then move on to the church after. Won't be many in the church on a Friday. Sorry not trying to be antagonistic. Just pointing out there are differing opinions.
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Post by bartonyellow on Aug 22, 2019 21:03:18 GMT
Its on. I will start with the Co.op staff tomorrow morning and then move on to the church after. Won't be many in the church on a Friday. Sorry not trying to be antagonistic. Just pointing out there are differing opinions. I agree. And it's not antagonistic. From people I spoke to it said it put them off (based on championship football) I personally think it looks bit non league now. Most grounds are minimum 2 sided seats.
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Post by bobgauden on Aug 22, 2019 21:14:39 GMT
Doesn't matter whether you prefer to stand or sit down when you have both options available. Problem being at the minute is we don't have enough seats for those that want them, what we have to do is determine how many people are refusing to attend for this reason.
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Post by mikeyboy on Aug 23, 2019 10:23:51 GMT
I used to live in Barton and if I had to stand I’d stop going!! Do you stand at the cinema or theatre or at any other sporting venue? It’s an outdated concept from the 19th century and early part of the 20th, let’s get into the modern world!
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 23, 2019 10:48:17 GMT
I used to live in Barton and if I had to stand I’d stop going!! Do you stand at the cinema or theatre or at any other sporting venue? It’s an outdated concept from the 19th century and early part of the 20th, let’s get into the modern world! Horse racing is the only one I can think of. Rugby league has a lot of standing too, ground dependant. Celtic have bought it back in so there's definitely demand somewhere.
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Post by swaddy Dave on Aug 23, 2019 10:54:34 GMT
I don't live in Barton and I prefer to stand. Agreed though, more seats would quite possibly bring in more people.
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Post by cbh1 on Aug 23, 2019 12:05:22 GMT
I think we needed this year to try a Bradford style season ticket offer. Or kids for a quid Or something different to pull people in. We do need to knock down the popside now and build a smart single tier seated stand like at Oldham.. As I think standing puts people off. Those in Barton I speak to say it does for them. Problem there is that we do not sell the volumes of season tickets to be able to afford to substantially discount the price of them. Given that Bradford shift in excess of 10,000 season tickets they can, to a degree, mitigate the reduction in income by recouping via a few more taking up the offer. We would never be able to recoup the difference by an increase in sales to match and, don't forget that season ticket income quite often has to plug the gap in terms of cashflow over the summer when there is no football to generate income. It would be financial madness to do it. Yes, it means that our season tickets are not as competitively priced but it is a fine financial balancing act to generate the budget to allow the manager to build a competitive squad. I agree the seating/standing issues causes problems for some and will do for some time. Kids prices are already pretty cheap as it is compared to other League One clubs.
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Post by mikeyboy on Aug 23, 2019 18:15:26 GMT
I think we needed this year to try a Bradford style season ticket offer. Or kids for a quid Or something different to pull people in. We do need to knock down the popside now and build a smart single tier seated stand like at Oldham.. As I think standing puts people off. Those in Barton I speak to say it does for them. Problem there is that we do not sell the volumes of season tickets to be able to afford to substantially discount the price of them. Given that Bradford shift in excess of 10,000 season tickets they can, to a degree, mitigate the reduction in income by recouping via a few more taking up the offer. We would never be able to recoup the difference by an increase in sales to match and, don't forget that season ticket income quite often has to plug the gap in terms of cashflow over the summer when there is no football to generate income. It would be financial madness to do it. Yes, it means that our season tickets are not as competitively priced but it is a fine financial balancing act to generate the budget to allow the manager to build a competitive squad. I agree the seating/standing issues causes problems for some and will do for some time. Kids prices are already pretty cheap as it is compared to other League One clubs. I think you must mean kids standing prices Ian?
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Post by insideleft on Aug 24, 2019 8:27:26 GMT
The issue isn’t standing v sitting, pros and cons.
If you enjoy standing then at the Pirelli there is spare capacity each week to the tune of 3000.
If you prefer to sit; then you are invariably stuffed.
For many these days seating, perfect view of the whole pitch etc is the preferred option. It’s the whole package, ease of access, simple/cheap parking and a decent seat(s).
We often forget parking in this. We set parking fees to make money (like all clubs do?) at £5, so to watch Morecambe for £10 next week you’ll likely have to pay half as much again to park. Punters want easy, safe parking.
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