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Post by britty on Aug 28, 2019 11:27:54 GMT
Annable - you are a 100 % correct. The fans are the real losers when a club folds. I too spared a thought for them last night when the news was announced. I was still thinking of how enjoyable our game was last night and thought bury fans may never be able to do this again. Shame really. Also have to spare a thought for some of the creditors who now won't even get the offer they had under the CVA - they will truly be left with nothing.
The EFL left with no choice though unfortunately - they had to deal with it in this way. They do have to question their fit and proper person test though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 14:27:58 GMT
Annable - you are a 100 % correct. The fans are the real losers when a club folds. I too spared a thought for them last night when the news was announced. I was still thinking of how enjoyable our game was last night and thought bury fans may never be able to do this again. Shame really. Also have to spare a thought for some of the creditors who now won't even get the offer they had under the CVA - they will truly be left with nothing. The EFL left with no choice though unfortunately - they had to deal with it in this way. They do have to question their fit and proper person test though. Which is the fault of the owner of the private company. Would I “support” Burton Albion if they were run in that way? No. I wouldn’t give them a penny.
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Post by annable on Aug 28, 2019 14:59:26 GMT
Annable - you are a 100 % correct. The fans are the real losers when a club folds. I too spared a thought for them last night when the news was announced. I was still thinking of how enjoyable our game was last night and thought bury fans may never be able to do this again. Shame really. Also have to spare a thought for some of the creditors who now won't even get the offer they had under the CVA - they will truly be left with nothing. The EFL left with no choice though unfortunately - they had to deal with it in this way. They do have to question their fit and proper person test though. Which is the fault of the owner of the private company. Would I “support” Burton Albion if they were run in that way? No. I wouldn’t give them a penny. Exactly, which is why EFL have to get their fit and proper persons test correct and make it more robust. They agreed to let Steve Dale by the club for £1 when he has since stated he has no interest in football and has no other reason to go to Bury as he has no other business interests there. After a few months he states that the financial problems of the company were far deeper than he first thought(didn't he do due diligence?) and hasn't got the funds to keep the club running. He hasn't owned it 12 months yet! Still, company number 44 from 52 will soon be liquidated and he will just move on to something else presumably having just lost £1. In the meantime the hardcore Bury fans have no club after 134 years and it's them I feel sorry for. Football clubs are not like other businesses and fans should not be treated like customers who can go elsewhere at the drop of a hat. There needs to be careful vetting of these rogue owners otherwise more clubs will go to the wall. Feel for the fans but get the feeling this could be just the start in terms of clubs going to the wall.
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Post by cbh1 on Aug 28, 2019 16:04:42 GMT
Which is the fault of the owner of the private company. Would I “support” Burton Albion if they were run in that way? No. I wouldn’t give them a penny. Exactly, which is why EFL have to get their fit and proper persons test correct and make it more robust. They agreed to let Steve Dale by the club for £1 when he has since stated he has no interest in football and has no other reason to go to Bury as he has no other business interests there. After a few months he states that the financial problems of the company were far deeper than he first thought(didn't he do due diligence?) and hasn't got the funds to keep the club running. He hasn't owned it 12 months yet! Still, company number 44 from 52 will soon be liquidated and he will just move on to something else presumably having just lost £1. In the meantime the hardcore Bury fans have no club after 134 years and it's them I feel sorry for. Football clubs are not like other businesses and fans should not be treated like customers who can go elsewhere at the drop of a hat. There needs to be careful vetting of these rogue owners otherwise more clubs will go to the wall. Feel for the fans but get the feeling this could be just the start in terms of clubs going to the wall. The sale of Bury by Stewart Day to Steve Dale was completed before the EFL even had chance to approve the deal. Hence why they have been chasing Dale for months to provide all the relevant documentation etc for him to even take the rather flimsy 'Fit and Proper Person Test'. That is part the reason why they were suspended from playing any games at the start of this season, due to the fact that he had not proved a) his own ownership credentials and b) a sustainable financial plan to see the club through this season as a minimum. In reality, my understanding, is that if Steve Dale had not stepped in to 'buy' Bury back in December then the club would have most likely gone out of business then as there were no other buyers in the picture and Day was desperate to sell up as his own business empire was going belly up. Now there is an argument that if the EFL had stepped in back then there is a good chance that Bury would have been stopped from being promoted and this would not be affecting League One. Whilst I do have some sympathy with the fans there is a part of me that has little sympathy with them on the basis that they were knowingly supporting a team that they clearly knew was financially unsustainable at the level they were playing but they rode the crest of the wave without really thinking about the possible and likely consequences down the line. Sounds harsh I know but the reality of their situation is stark and harsh.
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Post by bennyboy on Aug 28, 2019 17:28:57 GMT
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Post by swaddy Dave on Aug 28, 2019 19:14:03 GMT
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 28, 2019 19:27:13 GMT
Bought out by a company set up early January this year who have absolutely no history.
Seems like they're probably getting their money from other ventures, I assume.
Weird.
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Post by bennyboy on Aug 28, 2019 21:06:32 GMT
^^^ At least one of them resides in Bolton, well has a Bolton address.
I think it's been said before...
Where are the players coming from, what's the penalty for cancelling a match this season and the one last season? Then of course of those 5 goal defeats, can we have an easy 3 points from them?
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Post by fergo on Aug 29, 2019 9:03:35 GMT
The sale of Bury by Stewart Day to Steve Dale was completed before the EFL even had chance to approve the deal. Hence why they have been chasing Dale for months to provide all the relevant documentation etc for him to even take the rather flimsy 'Fit and Proper Person Test'. That is part the reason why they were suspended from playing any games at the start of this season, due to the fact that he had not proved a) his own ownership credentials and b) a sustainable financial plan to see the club through this season as a minimum. In reality, my understanding, is that if Steve Dale had not stepped in to 'buy' Bury back in December then the club would have most likely gone out of business then as there were no other buyers in the picture and Day was desperate to sell up as his own business empire was going belly up. Now there is an argument that if the EFL had stepped in back then there is a good chance that Bury would have been stopped from being promoted and this would not be affecting League One. Whilst I do have some sympathy with the fans there is a part of me that has little sympathy with them on the basis that they were knowingly supporting a team that they clearly knew was financially unsustainable at the level they were playing but they rode the crest of the wave without really thinking about the possible and likely consequences down the line. Sounds harsh I know but the reality of their situation is stark and harsh. The vast majority of the supporters of Bury will have been going for years so I think that is a little harsh. It's there club, As you know you don't always choose who you support, it is often passed down through generations. Unlikely but if Burton suddenly went into difficulties what would you do, go and support Derby or Tamworth or even Gresley? The fans are the real losers in this situation along with the staff. Players can go elsewhere.
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Post by A38 on Aug 29, 2019 10:36:54 GMT
Just found fixtures card in my wallet. If Bolton had gone too, we’d have gone nearly 6 weeks without a home game... even now we’ll be going 2 days short of a month.
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Post by cbh1 on Aug 29, 2019 11:16:57 GMT
The sale of Bury by Stewart Day to Steve Dale was completed before the EFL even had chance to approve the deal. Hence why they have been chasing Dale for months to provide all the relevant documentation etc for him to even take the rather flimsy 'Fit and Proper Person Test'. That is part the reason why they were suspended from playing any games at the start of this season, due to the fact that he had not proved a) his own ownership credentials and b) a sustainable financial plan to see the club through this season as a minimum. In reality, my understanding, is that if Steve Dale had not stepped in to 'buy' Bury back in December then the club would have most likely gone out of business then as there were no other buyers in the picture and Day was desperate to sell up as his own business empire was going belly up. Now there is an argument that if the EFL had stepped in back then there is a good chance that Bury would have been stopped from being promoted and this would not be affecting League One. Whilst I do have some sympathy with the fans there is a part of me that has little sympathy with them on the basis that they were knowingly supporting a team that they clearly knew was financially unsustainable at the level they were playing but they rode the crest of the wave without really thinking about the possible and likely consequences down the line. Sounds harsh I know but the reality of their situation is stark and harsh. The vast majority of the supporters of Bury will have been going for years so I think that is a little harsh. It's there club, As you know you don't always choose who you support, it is often passed down through generations. Unlikely but if Burton suddenly went into difficulties what would you do, go and support Derby or Tamworth or even Gresley? The fans are the real losers in this situation along with the staff. Players can go elsewhere. I have plenty of sympathy for those long term supporters for whom Bury is their life. I have been following the situation quite closely and there are elements who have relished Bolton’s plight and the sad stories elsewhere whilst conveniently forgetting that they were supporting a team that financially was unsustainable. They were lauding it over anyone and everyone when they got promoted blind to what was going on thinking they were immune to it all. Those ‘fans’ I have no sympathy for.
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 29, 2019 12:13:04 GMT
Just found fixtures card in my wallet. If Bolton had gone too, we’d have gone nearly 6 weeks without a home game... even now we’ll be going 2 days short of a month. I had noticed this too. Perhaps on current away form that'd be a good thing! Due to holidays etc I won't be at the Pirelli until late the Bolton game. A long wait
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Post by bennyboy on Aug 29, 2019 15:15:22 GMT
The statement "restoring Bolton to it's rightful position" irks me somewhat as I read yesterday.
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Post by bobgauden on Aug 29, 2019 16:23:51 GMT
Just found fixtures card in my wallet. If Bolton had gone too, we’d have gone nearly 6 weeks without a home game... even now we’ll be going 2 days short of a month. I had noticed this too. Perhaps on current away form that'd be a good thing! Due to holidays etc I won't be at the Pirelli until late the Bolton game. A long wait Oh well... Just as well eh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 17:47:13 GMT
Gillingham today.
And the EFL think they have preserved integrity?
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Post by surreybrewer on Aug 31, 2019 20:32:59 GMT
Absolutely Ian. This competition is utterly without integrity. Get drawn to play Bolton early in the season, guaranteed 3 points and a healthy boost to goal difference. Just our luck to be drawn against them when they have been saved and still able to recruit some competent lower division players. I have much less sympathy for them than Bury.They have had parachute payments from Premier League yet still bought players they could not afford to purchase let alone pay.Disgraceful and feeble of the EFL to continually give them more time. Suspect the unpalatable truth is that Bolton were just too big to be allowed to fail in
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Post by surreybrewer on Aug 31, 2019 20:36:54 GMT
Absolutely Ian. This competition is utterly without integrity. Get drawn to play Bolton early in the season, guaranteed 3 points and a healthy boost to goal difference. Just our luck to be drawn against them when they have been saved and still able to recruit some competent lower division players. I have no sympathy for them - unlike Bury.They have had parachute payments from Premier League yet still bought players they could not afford to purchase let alone pay.Disgraceful and feeble of the EFL to continually give them more time even when they were already in admimistration. Still no punishment for cancelling games last season and this. Suspect the unpalatable truth is that Bolton were just too big to be allowed to fail - unlike Bury.
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Post by surreybrewer on Aug 31, 2019 20:40:34 GMT
Apologies all - inadvertently posted before had amended and completed!
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Post by colstoncrawford on Sept 1, 2019 10:28:44 GMT
As Ian says.... four clubs so far have helped themselves to five goals against Bolton's kids (while, bizarrely, they were allowed to call one off on "compassionate" grounds. What about the others?) Three of those four were 5-0.
I was having this debate in the pub last night with three or four of our fans who couldn't see the issue! Soon, Bolton will have a full strength team again. There is every chance that one of the four (so far) who've helped themselves will a) go up, b) make the play-offs or, c) (much more likely with a couple of them) avoid relegation at the end of the season because of these false results. That's why League One is already unfair this season.
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Post by bennyboy on Sept 1, 2019 22:40:45 GMT
^^^ And the penalty for cancelling the fixture this season?? Not to mention the one last season, oh I just have.
Bet Doncaster are pretty peed off right now, they could have been in the play-off position.
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