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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 15:16:14 GMT
The EFL is s joke, football is a joke. Cheats prosper. The EFL is in an impossible position trying to keep all interested parties happy here. In this situation it is impossible to find a scenario where: owners, players, creditors, fans, other clubs and other fans are all happy. They could strictly enforce rules and take action. As Ian says, still no punishment for not fulfilling fixtures last season. If Bolton survive they will continue to cheat and more importantly, to cause financial hardship to those who provide services to them or who are employed by them.
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Post by britty on Aug 27, 2019 15:31:06 GMT
The EFL is in an impossible position trying to keep all interested parties happy here. In this situation it is impossible to find a scenario where: owners, players, creditors, fans, other clubs and other fans are all happy. They could strictly enforce rules and take action. As Ian says, still no punishment for not fulfilling fixtures last season. If Bolton survive they will continue to cheat and more importantly, to cause financial hardship to those who provide services to them or who are employed by them. That is not quite correct. If Bolton survive and are sold then those who are employed or provide services will at least be more likely to get paid. If they go under they will get very little/nothing. The only people who would be happy with the strict enforcement as you describe would be other clubs and fans. As I have said, I think it is a no win situation for the EFL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 17:05:43 GMT
When these clubs overspend beyond their means they don’t pay bills or pay suppliers or pay wages. Numerous examples are available.
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 27, 2019 17:08:16 GMT
And that is the nail in the bury coffin Is it.... Or will the EFL extend the deadline for them again?!
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 27, 2019 17:29:17 GMT
And that is the nail in the bury coffin Is it.... Or will the EFL extend the deadline for them again?! The answers definitely yes as it's 18:30, 1h30 past the supposed hard deadline. Rangers got chucked and they rebuilt. I'm sure these 2 can do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:48:54 GMT
Is it.... Or will the EFL extend the deadline for them again?! The answers definitely yes as it's 18:30, 1h30 past the supposed hard deadline. Rangers got chucked and they rebuilt. I'm sure these 2 can do the same. and the supporters will still be there for them, even if they change their name and pretend they are still the same club
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:52:57 GMT
They could strictly enforce rules and take action. As Ian says, still no punishment for not fulfilling fixtures last season. If Bolton survive they will continue to cheat and more importantly, to cause financial hardship to those who provide services to them or who are employed by them. That is not quite correct. If Bolton survive and are sold then those who are employed or provide services will at least be more likely to get paid. If they go under they will get very little/nothing. The only people who would be happy with the strict enforcement as you describe would be other clubs and fans. As I have said, I think it is a no win situation for the EFL. and the agreed payments to those who are owed money as part of a CVA or whatever it is called are paid a fraction of what they are owed. Never mind how much tax is avoided by these criminals. Real criminals who (if they ever get prosecuted) end up in open conditions so they can write a book. As for the working-class law breakers...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 21:18:53 GMT
The silence from the EFA is deafening.
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Post by bennyboy on Aug 27, 2019 21:45:55 GMT
The silence from the EFA is deafening. Was that purposely spelt with an A? No need to ask what it stands for.🤔
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Post by otep on Aug 27, 2019 22:05:50 GMT
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Post by otep on Aug 27, 2019 22:15:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 22:21:59 GMT
Bolton have been given 14 days notice.
I am not privy to the different financial circumstances that applied to Bury and Bolton, but Bolyon seem to gave been given more latitude.
Which team gets the points and 5-0 on Saturday?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 23:02:37 GMT
Bury would be due about £1.5 million TV money. I assume that will be split between the 22/23. So we could get £68k but lose a home fixture.
I also expect there to be an argument about it.
And even more so if Bolton go, some clubs have already had a fixture.
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Post by cbh1 on Aug 27, 2019 23:14:56 GMT
Bolton have been given 14 days notice. I am not privy to the different financial circumstances that applied to Bury and Bolton, but Bolyon seem to gave been given more latitude. Which team gets the points and 5-0 on Saturday? Not saying I agree with this but......... Bolton have been in administration since May and were served with their 14 day notice of expulsion previously, however this was suspended at the start of the season due to their takeover being close to completion and the likelihood that, through assurances given, they could fulfill their fixtures for the season. That is the only latitude I can see they have been given. That suspension has now been lifted so the expulsion notice is now ‘live’. They cannot simply be thrown out without the notice being activated. Much as this has compromised the competition due to the strength of the Bolton team selected which, I agree, is unfair. Bury were/are not in administration and their owner failed to provide the requested assurances regarding their ongoing financial sustainability. They had their 14 day notice 18 days ago and have now, sadly, run out of time. There are some worrying stories coming out about Bury’s finances that require serious investigation and I think we haven’t heard the last of this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 6:20:40 GMT
It’s not the fans fault but there will inevitably be a club (a private organisation) which will have Bury in the name somewhere in order to give the illusion of it being connected to the town (and the previous club) in some way and they can support that if they want to. Or they could support Radcliffe of course.
This culture in football clubs of spending money you don’t have must have financial rewards for individuals I assume? Or is it just about chasing the perceived rewards of getting to the next level, like with Bournemouth?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 7:12:57 GMT
Bolton have been given 14 days notice. I am not privy to the different financial circumstances that applied to Bury and Bolton, but Bolyon seem to gave been given more latitude. Which team gets the points and 5-0 on Saturday? Not saying I agree with this but......... Bolton have been in administration since May and were served with their 14 day notice of expulsion previously, however this was suspended at the start of the season due to their takeover being close to completion and the likelihood that, through assurances given, they could fulfill their fixtures for the season. That is the only latitude I can see they have been given. That suspension has now been lifted so the expulsion notice is now ‘live’. They cannot simply be thrown out without the notice being activated. Much as this has compromised the competition due to the strength of the Bolton team selected which, I agree, is unfair. Bury were/are not in administration and their owner failed to provide the requested assurances regarding their ongoing financial sustainability. They had their 14 day notice 18 days ago and have now, sadly, run out of time. There are some worrying stories coming out about Bury’s finances that require serious investigation and I think we haven’t heard the last of this. The 14 days should have been given to Bolton and Bury before the season. "A deal is close, a deal is about to be signed..." been saying that since May.
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Post by NobodyGood on Aug 28, 2019 7:28:24 GMT
Weren't Bolton even postponing games last season..? Its ridiculous that they are still there
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Post by brewersinramland on Aug 28, 2019 8:22:33 GMT
This morning I spare a thought for Mansfield rather than Bury.
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Post by trevor1946 on Aug 28, 2019 9:17:57 GMT
Bury gone=Bolton spending millions on players,now in liquidation should go,and many clubs on the fringes be warned. Clubs wanting to do away with promotion and relegation,are happy to bring competition in football to a end, just to satisfy and sustain their own greed. Bolton would love this, being caught out cheating, they deserve all they get.
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Post by annable on Aug 28, 2019 9:25:34 GMT
I have to say I really feel for the supporters of Bury this morning and some of the interviews from outside the ground yesterday with the fans really were so sad. It really does put things into perspective and makes you realise how lucky we having Ben Robinson in charge and that win, lose or draw we all know that we will have a club to support the followings Saturday. This can easily be taken for granted.
Having followed the story closely over the last few weeks and months it appears that their owner Steve Dale really shouldn't have been allowed by the EFL to take the club over for £1 especially as he has had 43 of the 51 companies he has been involved in liquidated. When you hear some of the interviews he has given the man appears to have a complete lack of empathy for the clubs staff and supporters and even admitted not being interested in football or even having been to Bury before. Unbelievable.
The last 24 hours at Bury really make Royston's rant last year at the lack of changing facilities at the training ground and having 5 goalkeepers look even more stupid now than they did at the time!
Hope for the supporters that Bury FC can come back under sensible ownership and steadily climb their way back up like some others. Over you you now Bolton Wanderers.
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