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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 18:55:56 GMT
Bury FC will start on minus 12 points.
Burton Albion will not.
Farewell Marcus Harness. I hope you appreciate the investment we have made in you. We thank you for what you have done for Burton Albion.
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Post by brewersinramland on Jul 19, 2019 9:56:58 GMT
The promoted Bucket Shakers in yet another financial meltdown and HMRC still after them.
Burton Albion sell another young player to balance the books. I know which club makes sense to me.
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Post by broomo on Jul 19, 2019 10:12:23 GMT
I'm hoping Bolton make it to the starting line.
Having wanted them to be properly punished and maybe even expelled from the league I now think it would be good for us and the rest of the league one teams to keep them around.
A decent away following and another team on -12 before we kick can do us no harm at all.
I don't see us in a scrap for he bottom 6 this season but it's still nice to know 2 teams have to win 4 games just to be on zero points, before a ball is kicked in anger.
No sympathy for either club and only a tiny little bi tof sympathy for the fans, after all I bet if you went on both clubs forums their fans will STILL be expecting, nay demanding their clubs show some ambition.
Between stupid fans and stupid money men, the game at this level will soon find itself right at the crossroads.
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Post by otep on Jul 27, 2019 11:27:12 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49133556Naturally one always feels sorry for the fans and those who work at the club. When a side in trouble has also just gained a promotion or managed to stay up by the skin of their teeth,I always spare a thought for the financially well run club(s)who just missed out / got relegated. I don't know all of the facts behind the plight of Bury. At face value I see Bury got promoted and Mansfield, Forest Green and Newport did not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 11:47:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49133556Naturally one always feels sorry for the fans and those who work at the club. When a side in trouble has also just gained a promotion or managed to stay up by the skin of their teeth,I always spare a thought for the financially well run club(s)who just missed out / got relegated. I don't know all of the facts behind the plight of Bury. At face value I see Bury got promoted and Mansfield, Forest Green and Newport did not. Yes just as we suffered relegation whilst Birmingham were losing £37 million and Bolton bringing players in despite not being able to pay them.
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Post by otep on Jul 29, 2019 21:04:28 GMT
Bury v MK Dons postponed. Will they suffer another punishment for that or would that be akin to kicking them whilst they are down?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 21:35:40 GMT
I'm still waiting for Bolton's punishment for not fulfilling last season's fixtures...
I'm sorry but I would not be a happy Mansfield fan.
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Post by brewersinramland on Jul 30, 2019 5:51:56 GMT
Until the likes of Bolton and Bury fold we will not get a sense of financial reality in to lower league football.
We are a magnificent club, superbly run on and off the pitch but even some of our own supporters can't see that when financial irresponsibility is allowed to bring on-field success.
Perhaps we should all try and pay with Monopoly money when we visit these type of clubs. They've been using it for years.
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Post by trevor1946 on Jul 30, 2019 10:43:51 GMT
It is always sad to see clubs in trouble,but in life money talks, but in football it is a rich mans toy and when not happy they throw their toys out of the pram. Fans today embrace the roller coaster ride of changing managers,spending big money on players,and demanding success. Very few clubs can win a trophy,and at the top mega millions are spent trying to achieve this. Each club has its own identity. and that makes the sport special. Legislation like in all walks of life,gets lost in whats known has grey areas.But like Notts Count and many more, we find another money belt wanting to join race. To all of us we reap what we sew.Bolton have a reprieve,Bury not such a attractive proposition,but will cost less ,Chances of premier league nil so just a toy. With all the success that Burton Albion have achieved we still see a proportion of our fans wanting to join the rat race ,never coming to terms with the fact that this club has very much over achieved big time. Waiting to hear our full allocation of season tickets sold out.Some clubs they are passed on from generation to generation because the waiting list are so long. meanwhile the rest of us try to compete. some of us cannot relate that it is not a even playing field, we think it is 11 v 11 on the pitch.not men v super stars
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Post by manuelpirelligrini on Jul 31, 2019 11:43:31 GMT
"Premier League clubs should bail out Bolton and Bury, says Nigel Clough" Link to Guardian ArticleShould Premier League clubs pay more of their TV money to lower league clubs GENERALLY? Yes IMHO Should they be bailing out Bolton & Bury? Absolutely not. Sad for the clubs' real fans - but the clubs have been living way above their means for years now I'm afraid.
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Post by brewersinramland on Jul 31, 2019 12:41:02 GMT
"Premier League clubs should bail out Bolton and Bury, says Nigel Clough" Link to Guardian ArticleShould Premier League clubs pay more of their TV money to lower league clubs GENERALLY? Yes IMHO Should they be bailing out Bolton & Bury? Absolutely not. Sad for the clubs' real fans - but the clubs have been living way above their means for years now I'm afraid. As many on here know I'd back Nigel on most things but I'm afraid this is just barmy. Let's not forget who stayed up in the Championship by continual overspending.
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Post by bennyboy on Jul 31, 2019 12:58:06 GMT
I read the article earlier and the comments of the Carlisle manager, I have to side with Steve Pressley on this one Nigel. How his club and clubs alike (us) have had to reign in any thoughts of spending money we just can't afford to spend is beyond me. It's always someone else's fault when it all goes t*ts up or blame someone or something else. Yes we should get more of the big boys TV money but don't let that think clubs like Bolton/Bury can then go and spend it on players they can't even afford to pay a wage to.
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Post by broomo on Jul 31, 2019 14:01:21 GMT
Dum Dum Dum.....
In case anyone says I never disagree with Nige bookmark this.
If he's saying Bolton and bury should be bailed out AFTER the event he's wrong and badly wrong.
If he's saying money should be better distributed he's right but then all that would happen is idiot owners would spend whatever extra they got plus more.
There needs to be better control over spending before there is a better system of distribution.
Every club should have to clear their outstanding bills before the end of the financial year. If they can't, relegate them, pure and simple.
The amount of money in football is obscene but then so is the amount of debt.
That leads to a longer and more miserable conversation about the state of the world.
The world actually owes itself trillions of dollars. Who does the world owe that money to?
Centrica losing 500 million quid in 6 months but a single mum can't afford £20 a week to feed her kids over the school holidays.
Gareth Bale moving to China on a million quid a week?
Hmmm.
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Post by annable on Jul 31, 2019 14:35:22 GMT
Unless i'm missing something I cannot see anywhere in this article or the one that's just appeared on the BBC website where Nigel states specifically that Bolton and Bury should be bailed out.
What he is actually quoted as saying is that there is enough money in football for more to be passed down to the EFL clubs and for it to be shared in a better way. That's quite different from bailing out clubs after the event, which as others have said, is wrong.
Looks like another case of the press coming up with a spectacular headline and then not backing it up with the relevant quotes.
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Post by bennyboy on Jul 31, 2019 14:57:31 GMT
Steve Pressley pulls no punches in his comments but Nigel is more sympathetic with his.
Of course Steve Pressley's team doesn't have to play Bolton/Bury this season but Nigel's does. Agree he's not saying the extra cash would bail such clubs out but implying they need more help from above monetary wise. He never mentioned that as a club BAFC help themselves monetary wise, should have got that one in Nigel.
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Post by A38 on Jul 31, 2019 15:10:56 GMT
You’re all missing the point — our Nige wants Bolton financially solvent so we can then sue their newly-bailed-out ass for cheating us out of our Championship status 14 months ago!
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Post by trevor1946 on Jul 31, 2019 16:44:26 GMT
Im with Steve Pressley on this all clubs must be solvent.
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Post by otep on Jul 31, 2019 18:57:05 GMT
Wise words from both Steven Pressley and our Boss.
Whilst much has improved as a consequence of money being pumped in to football, I much preferred football when it wasn't all / so much about money and there wasn't such a gulf between the haves and the have nots.
What is that line that is trotted out that is so apt? Sky and the like bought the game from the working man and sold it back to us.
Having travelled away with the Brewers to a lot of grounds, I enjoyed being at creaky old grounds like Hereford and Accrington more than the big sterile new builds. Health and safety is of paramount importance I hasten to add and trumps the nostalgic football experience I yearn for.
What would the likes of Bury, Bolton and many other such clubs do if they got given more money from the top of the pyramid? Spend more prudently? No, I dare say 90% of them would just spend more!
I have often wondered what would happen if overnight the plug got pulled by the TV people and the overseas investors got bored with football. Part of me wants that to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 19:20:18 GMT
There was a similar conversation about the cricket world cup and the access free to air.
The genie is out of the bottle.
Anyone fancy telling Ben Stokes his income will fall by 90% to ensure cricket is available to all?
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Post by manuelpirelligrini on Jul 31, 2019 21:21:30 GMT
There was a similar conversation about the cricket world cup and the access free to air. The genie is out of the bottle. Anyone fancy telling Ben Stokes his income will fall by 90% to ensure cricket is available to all? Sky aren’t daft. The reason the WC Final was free to air was because they see viewing figures for an already dwindling sport dropping like a stone. Without viewing access for the masses, there is no demand for their product. With falling demand, the money will drop off. It might not affect / have affected Ben Stokes - but it will affect those who’ll be playing the game in 10-15 years, for sure.
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