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Post by mikeyboy on Jul 20, 2019 17:04:20 GMT
Trevor it must be hard to see your ‘settled team’ decimated weeks before the start of the season. He was exactly the same last season and yes it is worrying. Sometimes Nigel's body language looks worse than his mood, even though I don't doubt he's not thrilled. (again not based on any inside info) I remember the Hull game where me and Ian actually thought he'd be walking away. One thing that can be said with certainty about Nigel, he's not a quitter. Even at Derby where conditions at times were a joke he kept his head down and he kept going to work. So unless someone comes in for him, and it would have to be a good club with a good chairman. I think he'll buckle down and get on with it. Did we play good stuff in spells? If yes, it will be little things like that keep him going. We are what we are at Burton, I remember a while back in one of his interviews he said, there's only so much you can do at a club with gates of 3,000 and it's much easier if you've got 17-18,000 coming every week. He deserves a shot at a bigger club again and I don't mean that to sound disrespectful to Burton. I certainly don't want him to leave. He'll keep grafting his balls off and doing his best to work with what he's got. Again I'll say we could do with a new face coming in player wise, a nice little boost with an exciting young lad coming in and suddenly the whole place will get a lift. For me the low point came at Solihull last year when Tim Flowers was so high profile and a massive presence on the touchline. Nigel sat in the dugout and never moved all night. We had our fitness coach upfront and a squad that looked totally threadbare. But he came back and built a squad that almost made the play offs. But today for me Bywater is just a mistake and should never have been retained.
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Post by melymoss on Jul 20, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
Last season I did have a little go at Trevor for calling Bywater and making him the scapegoat for a couple of losses at the end of the season. I also don’t like calling our players but yes i’m afraid Steve had a shocker. Honestly Trevor nothing personal I do enjoy reading your posts but i’m glad you weren’t at the game to witness that. As Broomo said hopefully Steve won’t play in too many this season. It was a bit of a let down today after Tuesday but we did play some good stuff at times but certainly not enough. We lacked any real momentum and we are now lacking pace. I’m sure a signing or two are in the pipeline i’m still optimistic about the season ahead. I’ve said it before Nigel isn’t daft he’ll put us right again all’s not lost. KEEP THE FAITH
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Post by len on Jul 20, 2019 18:13:22 GMT
....the difference a few days make......
Back on Tuesday after we beat Sheffield Utd with a cracker from Marcus, everyone on here was largely positive despite the news on Ben Foxes injury. Today after defeat (and I suspect largely because Marcus leaving has taken the wind out of everyones sails) the consensus is we have a threadbare squad and plenty on here have (but not everyone) defaulted to pessimism.
We are still in a better position than this time last year - the first choice squad is (IMO) not too far off that from last season - if Templeton can stay fit he is a more than adequate replacement for Marcus - and we have a confirmed first choice keeper (not Steeeeve) for the season. The biggest problem at the moment is the depth of the squad but I'm sure that will be addressed with a few new signings (at least 3 are needed I would suspect). From the comments Nigel has made I suspect he had an inkling that clubs might make offers for Jamie Allen and Marcus that they couldn't refuse so there may be even be a bit of contingency planning going on which hopefully will come to fruition soon. At least there is some more money to re-invest in the club/team.
As others have said last season didn't turn out too bad in the end despite the pre-season - there's no reason why (with a bit of luck) 2019-2020 can't be an improvement although once again I'll settle for a cup run and upper mid table obscurity in League One!
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Post by observer on Jul 20, 2019 18:26:36 GMT
Nigel will have approved the players going out
This is nothing new to him at all. He knows how it all works by now. Him and Simon will be wheeler dealing behind the scenes to replace etc.
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Post by broomo on Jul 20, 2019 18:47:09 GMT
Nigel will have approved the players going outThis is nothing new to him at all. He knows how it all works by now. Him and Simon will be wheeler dealing behind the scenes to replace etc. Spot on again Observer. I think we know by now Ben gives him free reign on all football decisions. Nigel would have weighed up how big a loss Jamie and Marcus would be and whether he feels he can get close to replacing them. Let's not forget we were gutted at losing Jackson but then within a season we had Allen, Quinn, Templeton and Fraser plus a chunk of change. Every little 200k here and there allows us to bring in one or two in wages. Marcu's fee probably gives us a bit of a cushion to go out and pay a decent loan wage. Just listened to NC's post match and he's not downhearted at all. We've got a couple of weeks and I fancy we'll be ok.
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Post by Brewer46 on Jul 20, 2019 18:58:33 GMT
Well I'd like to think there'll be money in the kitty for one or two last minute buys ourselves. I would hope so as we are looking very bare as a squad. Slightly off topic but the man that nobody talks about, Jez Moxey, is he still with us and if so exactly what is his role?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 19:06:02 GMT
The only thing I care about this result is that Derby won The Bass Charity Shield. Not worried at all about the upcoming season. We will be just fine. Bywater needed to play - he’s our sub keeper and he needed some pre-season playing time against quality opposition. We won’t need him much on the pitch, but we need him in the squad - I’m sure he plays a valuable role in training and sharing his experience. Rams fans might be delighted this evening at beating little Burton Albion. Well done Derby. And Come On You Brewers!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 19:11:18 GMT
Well I'd like to think there'll be money in the kitty for one or two last minute buys ourselves. I would hope so as we are looking very bare as a squad. Slightly off topic but the man that nobody talks about, Jez Moxey, is he still with us and if so exactly what is his role? He is. I don't know. But I would be surprised if he is influencing transfer decisions.
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Post by superbrewer on Jul 20, 2019 19:13:45 GMT
Another person no one is talking about is Marvin Sordell ,well the club arn't saying much .I know he's got his problems.He's played no games yet ,as far as we know he hasn't trained .Time for the club to sit down with him and come to some kind of agreement for a parting of the ways .
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Post by A38 on Jul 20, 2019 19:14:39 GMT
What was the ticket price today please out of interest? Two weeks today until league action, the vibe for the Rochdale game a year ago was DISGRACEFUL so I just hope it’ll be a good day vs Ipswich and we’re off and running whatever happens. Come on you Brewers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 19:17:58 GMT
Was n't there (it is still the cricket season - the first test has not started yet!!!).
Fox will be a miss, he must have sensed this was his big chance.
Harness will also be missed, but maybe that was good business.
I have one concern.
Otherwise, if our young players stepping out of the academy get some good experience, we play good football and we manage to stay up, I'll be happy (I will be happy overall anyway).
I think probably the owner has realised that the marginal gains from being successful in the League are not leading to the increase in crowds that would enable a sustained run at it and stadium changes and expansion. No problem. We are in a good place at start on 3rd August on zero points, the same as 21 other clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 19:18:36 GMT
What was the ticket price today please out of interest? Two weeks today until league action, the vibe for the Rochdale game a year ago was DISGRACEFUL so I just hope it’ll be a good day vs Ipswich and we’re off and running whatever happens. Come on you Brewers. £10 terrace £15 seats, can't help you with kids prices.
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Post by A38 on Jul 20, 2019 19:37:04 GMT
Was n't there (it is still the cricket season - the first test has not started yet!!!). Fox will be a miss, he must have sensed this was his big chance. Harness will also be missed, but maybe that was good business. I have one concern. Otherwise, if our young players stepping out of the academy get some good experience, we play good football and we manage to stay up, I'll be happy (I will be happy overall anyway). I think probably the owner has realised that the marginal gains from being successful in the League are not leading to the increase in crowds that would enable a sustained run at it and stadium changes and expansion. No problem. We are in a good place at start on 3rd August on zero points, the same as 21 other clubs. Crazy you’re right, I just hope the (cricketing) boys can get their heads back straight and beat those sandpaper-scraping naughties from the opposite time zone!
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Post by A38 on Jul 20, 2019 19:37:55 GMT
Shane Cansdell-Sheriff can leave disappointed!
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Post by insideleft on Jul 20, 2019 19:54:21 GMT
Yes there was an air of despondency up in the stands before the game. Just as with the last two seasons we’re losing our best players to other clubs and seem helpless to stop it. No Collins, Fadz, Allen, Marcus and Foxy. Rumours of one more. Rumours that we needed to sell to balance the books. Rumours of good money for Marcus and so on……It isn’t good for team morale.
If anybody can sort it I’d back Nigel to.
I do wish Nigel and Ben would come out and talk openly about their realistic expectations for the season. What really can we achieve? What are the odds? What are their hopes? There’s every chance by the end of August it will be played 5 won 1 and the moaners will be out in force. The vast majority of fans know we’re battling against the odds.
It was a decent game and we played some good stuff. Every time you felt “we’re in this” an awful individual error at the back did just cost us a goal and we were forever playing catch up. I hate scapegoating players but Steve B must take the blame for one goal certainly. I feel there are other weaknesses at the back. It’s time in my opinion for one of our defenders to wake up and let me say now Bucko and Brayford were brilliant today. The reception and respect they got from the Derby fans thoroughly deserved.
As for the game. Boycey had a better game, coming off the back four and linking up well. Quinny and Fraser set up a number of promising moves. Templeton got on the ball a fair bit. As far as friendlies go I enjoyed it but nothing really worthy of commenting on. Derby didn’t look a patch on Sheffield Utd.
As I said in another thread. I’d end the pre-season friendlies there. 3 is enough. Fraser and Brayf came off holding ankles/hamstrings. We can’t afford to lose more players.
Wish I could be more positive!
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Post by mikeyboy on Jul 20, 2019 20:08:16 GMT
If Broomo and Observer are right and it was Nigel who made the decisions about Allen and Harness, I have absolutely no issues. At the start of last season it seemed for a while things may have been out of Nigel’s hands and that is the scenario that causes me concern. Particularly as there are fine margins between success and failure. If one more HAD to go and it’s not a footballing decision then there could be a worry, particularly if we have to recruit loan signings in indecent haste, just bringing bodies in to make up the numbers. I hope I am horribly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 20:27:47 GMT
Yes there was an air of despondency up in the stands before the game. Just as with the last two seasons we’re losing our best players to other clubs and seem helpless to stop it. No Collins, Fadz, Allen, Marcus and Foxy. Rumours of one more. Rumours that we needed to sell to balance the books. Rumours of good money for Marcus and so on……It isn’t good for team morale. If anybody can sort it I’d back Nigel to. I do wish Nigel and Ben would come out and talk openly about their realistic expectations for the season. What really can we achieve? What are the odds? What are their hopes? There’s every chance by the end of August it will be played 5 won 1 and the moaners will be out in force. The vast majority of fans know we’re battling against the odds. It was a decent game and we played some good stuff. Every time you felt “we’re in this” an awful individual error at the back did just cost us a goal and we were forever playing catch up. I hate scapegoating players but Steve B must take the blame for one goal certainly. I feel there are other weaknesses at the back. It’s time in my opinion for one of our defenders to wake up and let me say now Bucko and Brayford were brilliant today. The reception and respect they got from the Derby fans thoroughly deserved. As for the game. Boycey had a better game, coming off the back four and linking up well. Quinny and Fraser set up a number of promising moves. Templeton got on the ball a fair bit. As far as friendlies go I enjoyed it but nothing really worthy of commenting on. Derby didn’t look a patch on Sheffield Utd. As I said in another thread. I’d end the pre-season friendlies there. 3 is enough. Fraser and Brayf came off holding ankles/hamstrings. We can’t afford to lose more players. Wish I could be more positive! I get that and understand where you are coming from, but there is a huge risk as well, if they come out and say, yeah we're hoping for top spot, then they are knackered if we are struggling. If they say we are hoping to survive... that does not sell tickets. If they are realistic, they get criticised anyway. In the end though they end up issuing statements in response of criticism anyway (the Ben letter to him last season). I am not criticising, it is not my area of expertise. I don't know what the media message strategy is.
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Post by everard on Jul 20, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
Yes there was an air of despondency up in the stands before the game. Just as with the last two seasons we’re losing our best players to other clubs and seem helpless to stop it. No Collins, Fadz, Allen, Marcus and Foxy. Rumours of one more. Rumours that we needed to sell to balance the books. Rumours of good money for Marcus and so on……It isn’t good for team morale. If anybody can sort it I’d back Nigel to. I do wish Nigel and Ben would come out and talk openly about their realistic expectations for the season. What really can we achieve? What are the odds? What are their hopes? There’s every chance by the end of August it will be played 5 won 1 and the moaners will be out in force. The vast majority of fans know we’re battling against the odds. It was a decent game and we played some good stuff. Every time you felt “we’re in this” an awful individual error at the back did just cost us a goal and we were forever playing catch up. I hate scapegoating players but Steve B must take the blame for one goal certainly. I feel there are other weaknesses at the back. It’s time in my opinion for one of our defenders to wake up and let me say now Bucko and Brayford were brilliant today. The reception and respect they got from the Derby fans thoroughly deserved. As for the game. Boycey had a better game, coming off the back four and linking up well. Quinny and Fraser set up a number of promising moves. Templeton got on the ball a fair bit. As far as friendlies go I enjoyed it but nothing really worthy of commenting on. Derby didn’t look a patch on Sheffield Utd. As I said in another thread. I’d end the pre-season friendlies there. 3 is enough. Fraser and Brayf came off holding ankles/hamstrings. We can’t afford to lose more players. Wish I could be more positive! I get that and understand where you are coming from, but there is a huge risk as well, if they come out and say, yeah we're hoping for top spot, then they are knackered if we are struggling. If they say we are hoping to survive... that does not sell tickets. If they are realistic, they get criticised anyway. In the end though they end up issuing statements in response of criticism anyway (the Ben letter to him last season). I am not criticising, it is not my area of expertise. I don't know what the media message strategy is. I'm sure we all know what Ben and Nigel's aspirations are for the coming season......they're no different from last season (any season)....it's a top six finish (I guess if we were in League Two it'd be a top seven finish) If you aim for top six and you make top 2 fine....if you're not aiming for top six, what's the point....no-one's going to start the season hoping for survival (well when we were in the Championship that would've been the aim I suppose and if we ever get there again it'll no doubt be the aim then too) any other league it surely has to be play-off/promotion places (we've proved promotion to the Championship is possible so it has to be a realistic ambition again)
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Post by insideleft on Jul 21, 2019 8:08:49 GMT
Everard, Ian Mc, completely agree with your posts, not sure I worded my point that well.
I just recall last season the flak flying around in the first match against Rochdale when the chant “Where has all the money gone” etc etc went up.So many players had moved on.
Unfortunately it carried on throughout August leading to Ben going to the media. It created an unpleasant start to the season which everybody can do without.
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Post by trevor1946 on Jul 21, 2019 8:33:27 GMT
Sheff UTD a amazing result against a very good side.our defence today Brayford Nartley Buxton Daniel ,holding midfield Quinn. Our defence opened up to easily,two games against multi million pounds opposition led to tired legs.at stages all our players played well. A good crowd from Derby made for a good atmosphere, Fortunately for Burton fans today even us can see the highlights Waghorn must have thought xmas had come early the game was lost in,the first half and the 4th and 5th goals conceded by a defence who had given up. so yes they were opened up to easily. once more we have someone who can show us how important a goalkeeper is and someone over the hill can become a nightmare,Hawkins must be way off first team football. Some good lessons learned today
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