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Post by NobodyGood on May 14, 2019 18:10:55 GMT
I know, I'm sort of ignoring Roystons post as it's pretty poorly constructed š
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 18:31:27 GMT
First, comparing season ticket prices with Premier League Clubs is a nonsense. The TV revenue enjoyed in the Premier League makes income from supporters through the turnstiles almost irrelevant for most clubs. The cheapest Liverpool season ticket I can find is Ā£695. Manchester City appear to have a waiting list, but if you can source one for me please post the details. The only Premier League season ticket I can find cheaper than ours is Burnley, but it is a long way to travel. Second, a season ticket at Accrington Stanley is Ā£264 for adults not Ā£220. I think that is excellent value. They are club much like our own. Run properly. Third, There is no adult season ticket available for Ā£220 at Fleetwood. The cheapest is standing @ Ā£170, seat ticket is Ā£240. You do understand how Fleetwood Town is run don't you? Fourth, Bradford have run a similar offer for the last few years. Please go away, check and tell me whether that has been a good business decision for them. It does not appear to have been good for them on the pitch. Fifth, Is our pricing structure the best one? In my opinion no, but from a business point of view it seems to be working. And from a football point of view, it has worked pretty well for the past 15 years or so. I paid the same price of Ā£255 from the Conference season right up to the Championship. In rewarding the loyal fan the club, I feel, created too many different price variations. But that was good in good faith and was well received that those that benefitted from it. My guess is that we are about average in League One for season tickets and still one of the cheapest on the day. I would be more than happy if you want to go away and come back with a list of all League One season ticket prices to see where we stand. I bet when the BBC price of football survey comes out in the summer we will once again we towards the lower end. accringtonstanley.co.uk/season-tickets/Earlybird is Ā£219. Your mile off it mate. We are more expensive than at least 5 prem clubs loads of champ clubs and virtually every Div 1 club 2018-19
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 18:58:18 GMT
Your mile off it mate. We are more expensive than at least 5 prem clubs loads of champ clubs and virtually every Div 1 club 2018-19 Well the discussion is about season tickets for the coming season. So far you have grasped at facts and not found any. Happy for you to explain which 5 Premier Clubs are cheaper. As for League One, go and do the research and post the full 24 below. I look forward to seeing the full list. You see you chuck these poorly researched, factually incorrect bombs in to delegitimise what we do as a club. back it up, or belt up. And as you will have noted, I don't think we get season ticket pricing right.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 21:30:01 GMT
Your mile off it mate. We are more expensive than at least 5 prem clubs loads of champ clubs and virtually every Div 1 club 2018-19 Well the discussion is about season tickets for the coming season. So far you have grasped at facts and not found any. Happy for you to explain which 5 Premier Clubs are cheaper. As for League One, go and do the research and post the full 24 below. I look forward to seeing the full list. You see you chuck these poorly researched, factually incorrect bombs in to delegitimise what we do as a club. back it up, or belt up. And as you will have noted, I don't think we get season ticket pricing right. Dress it up all you like and continue with your condescending attitude but the fact is our club are charging Ā£420 for a seated season ticket from 16/5. Whichever way you want to try to defend it extortionate for Div 1
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 21:53:27 GMT
'Half the Premier League', name them...
It is not condescending, it is backing up an opinion. Otherwise it is bollicks.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 22:10:21 GMT
'Half the Premier League', name them... It is not condescending, it is backing up an opinion. Otherwise it is bollicks. Ā£420 and we havent got a centre back signed for next season...... as I predicted Ā£420 and we have one out and out forward who our gaffa says may leave anyway if the offers right Ā£420 and we cant afford to keep Turner or Fadz Hardly encouraging for fans to fork out Ā£420 Look up the prem league teams up for yourself you are quite capable of doing that but I understand why you may not want to and btw it isnt half the prem. Last season it was 5 prem sides who charged less than us for a seated season ticket. That is ridiculous. As you say we have to wait for all clubs season ticket prices to be compared but give it up pal our owner is overcharging our supporters end of. Ā£420 is a joke
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 22:20:12 GMT
I'm happy to wait. Until you can back up your argument, it suggests all your opinions are worthless drivel.
P.S. it was you who said 'half the prem'.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 22:22:35 GMT
How do our season ticket prices compare to other Div 1 clubs ? Our prices are extortionate tbh. Even the early bird prices are more expensive than more than half the prem league!!....... our loyal fans pay more to stand up than some pay to sit down in the prem. We charge a senior citizen more to stand up than quite a few prem clubs charge an adult to sit down and watch the likes of Man City, Liverpool etc. i have no doubt the posters who will hear nothing agst the club will argue its our size which forces such excessive pricing but it just doesnt seem to stack up. Take two very similar clubs in terms of leagues status andĀ on attendences, Accrington and Fleetwood. Both charge Ā£220 for an adult season ticket. Our club were relegated yet we pay these prices. We make Ā£800k plus on the cup run yet we pay these prices. These are elephant in the room questions which no one seems to ask? It says in the, quite clearly 'half the prem'. I dont mind if you want to withdraw and apologise. Feel free.
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Post by britty on May 14, 2019 22:25:21 GMT
I find the price of tickets an interesting debate. I personally feel I have had good value from the price I pay for Burton tickets. Yes they are more expensive than others - I am happy to pay it. I will probably buy my first season ticket this time round. A good standard of football, a good match day experience and an honest and well run club/business.
Huddersfield were the cheapest tickets in the premier League this season - I wonder how much value their supporters feel they got from their tickets?
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Post by annable on May 15, 2019 7:13:39 GMT
I think what is being missed by some on this debate is that for a club of our size with one of the smallest fans bases in the football league is that money generated via season ticket sales has a direct impact of the size of the playing budget. In simple terms if prices were reduced it would likely mean a lower quality of player being able to be signed on which could be the difference between top half of league one and fighting to stay in the league.
We are different to the majority of football clubs in this country where we do not routinely make a loss which is then covered by a loan from the owner. Those clubs i.e. Fleetwood for one, have the option of reduced prices knowing they will make a loss anyway that the owner covers.
There is a case of course that by reducing prices then you attract more fans meaning an overall increase in match day income. I think that the two years in the Championship proved that the town of Burton has limited appetite for football at this level and that football fans outside of the hardcore 2k fan base only turn out for big cup matches and when we are at the top end of a league. Other than that they are not bothered.
So for me, being one of the 2k hardcore fans, I am happy to pay a bit more on my ticket if it means watching my team play at this level. For those that want to pay less for their ticket then there are other options in the area like Mickleover, Gresley, Stapenhill etc where i'm sure you could pay less than a tenner to watch 90 minutes football. Just remind me, what league are Gresley in again?
Comparing us to Prem teams is ridiculous as they all get Ā£100m from TV money before a ball is even kicked and could probably play in empty stadiums without it effecting the finances too much.
As for not being able to afford the likes of Turner and McFadzean then it is simple, they were signed on for the Championship when we were getting Ā£6m a year for being in that division. We don't get that anymore and are cutting our cloth accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 8:12:18 GMT
'Half the Premier League', name them... It is not condescending, it is backing up an opinion. Otherwise it is bollicks. Ā£420 and we havent got a centre back signed for next season...... as I predicted Ā£420 and we have one out and out forward who our gaffa says may leave anyway if the offers right Ā£420 and we cant afford to keep Turner or Fadz Hardly encouraging for fans to fork out Ā£420 Look up the prem league teams up for yourself you are quite capable of doing that but I understand why you may not want to and btw it isnt half the prem. Last season it was 5 prem sides who charged less than us for a seated season ticket. That is ridiculous. As you say we have to wait for all clubs season ticket prices to be compared but give it up pal our owner is overcharging our supporters end of. Ā£420 is a joke Saved you a job. You do talk utter nonsense. Man City ā no details ā waiting list Liverpool - Ā£834 Chelsea - Ā£900 Spurs - Ā£795 Arsenal ā no details ā waiting list Man Utd ā waiting list (although the example they give for instalments is based on a Ā£703 ticket Wolves - Ā£544 (waiting list) Everton - Ā£525 (sold out) Leicester - Ā£510 (new ticket there are some corner seats at Ā£395) West Ham - Ā£865 Watford - Ā£562 (new) Palace - Ā£500 (current phase of purchase) Newcastle - Ā£628 (18/19 price) Bournemouth - Ā£580 (18/19 not announced 19/20 yet) Burnley - Ā£415 (Ā£329 is behind the goal) ā this is an earlybird price no longer available. Southampton - Ā£399 though this is mainly corner area doubtful it is on the side Brighton ā Ā£640 Norwich - Ā£580.50 Sheffield United ā no details ā off sale
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Post by insideleft on May 15, 2019 8:36:41 GMT
TalkSport review on season ticket prices 2017/2018 when we were in the Championship lists us as the 4th cheapest and then only by a few quid.
Super value when you consider the excitement of the games, ease of access to the ground and quality of view be it standing or seating.
More lies from our resident multi username troller.
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Post by trevor1946 on May 15, 2019 8:41:11 GMT
royston and his view on season tickets , could this be just another dig at the club, season ticket owners are the life blood of our club,and over the seasons have been rewarded in price freezes as the club rose through the leagues. royston expects much of this club he demands to be competitive against much bigger clubs on the field,But transfers==players wages=running cost,should be paid for by a sugar daddy ,while he watches top players cheap. Most league games cost around Ā£ t20 to Ā£30 pound,so Ā£460 for a progressive club Like Burton Albion is good value, royston has a strange out look,he thinks Mansfield are a progressive club,more on this cuckoo statement later
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Post by trevor1946 on May 15, 2019 8:54:03 GMT
I miss broomo , but ian filled in the blanks for our registered troll.good post wasted on a bright spark tho. Mansfield cant be that far away,could be cheaper tickets
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Post by claymillman on May 15, 2019 10:48:06 GMT
Why does Royston feel the need to go on and on about our team positional shortages, "as predicted", as if he carries some foretelling special powers? It is May not August. We will have filled our positions and be ready, although being a smaller club with a well controlled budget, we often need patience. This can take us to the closing of the window. The way he also criticises indirectly the club owner and management is scandalous. This club is a marvel punching permanently above its weight thanks to the very people he rebukes. Maybe he should consider supporting another club, especially since ours is so badly run, and ripping off us supporters.
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Post by mikeyboy on May 15, 2019 11:22:10 GMT
I renewed this morning at Ā£342 and Ā£199 for my grandson. That is Ā£14.87 per match for me and Ā£8.65 for Joseph, Ā£23.52 for the 2 of us, seated, on the front row, central and very close to the Home dugout. That seems like ok value to me whatever Royston and the negs say.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 12:06:50 GMT
'Half the Premier League', name them... It is not condescending, it is backing up an opinion. Otherwise it is bollicks. Ā£420 and we havent got a centre back signed for next season...... as I predicted Ā£420 and we have one out and out forward who our gaffa says may leave anyway if the offers right Ā£420 and we cant afford to keep Turner or Fadz Hardly encouraging for fans to fork out Ā£420 Look up the prem league teams up for yourself you are quite capable of doing that but I understand why you may not want to and btw it isnt half the prem. Last season it was 5 prem sides who charged less than us for a seated season ticket. That is ridiculous. As you say we have to wait for all clubs season ticket prices to be compared but give it up pal our owner is overcharging our supporters end of. Ā£420 is a joke Here are some facts in response to your factless comment: Mansfield sack Flitcroft following the failure to get promotion. Coventry still have no home ground to play at next season. Bolton couldn't finish the season and have had to set up a food bank to support employees that have not been paid. Preston North End have sent Ā£2000 of food vouchers to support it. Yeovil Town have been relegated to the Conference 5 years after their relegation from the Championship. I think we are doing okay.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 13:38:26 GMT
Iām very happy with ticket prices. But if I wasnāt, I wouldnāt go to matches. And if I hated the clubās owner as much as some on here, I wouldnāt support the team.
Letās get a few facts straight here. Supporters do not own the club, they choose to support the club. The only connection most of us have with Burton Albion is some sort of vague connection with town which shares the name of the club. The club is really Ben Robinsonās Burton Albion and he employs Nigel Clough, other staff and the players. It is his business. If he makes a loss, it is his loss. If he makes a profit,it is his profit. He can decide to invest or take money out of the business. Itās his. If you donāt like Ben Robinson or his choices then you donāt like Burton Albion. Nigel woks here as he likes working for Ben. The players work here as they like working for Ben or Nigel or like the money they earn or hope that it will help their career progress to a higher level. Itās sports entertainment. Itās a business and like any set of customers we can make choices about whether to purchase entertainment or not.
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Post by NobodyGood on May 15, 2019 15:46:32 GMT
I do agree with all the posts above.
Especially Ilsons, whose advice I take - I don't buy a season ticket because I don't want to.
If the price was lower, I would.
I suspect there's not much extra demand as the prices drop,
Ā£250 for example would need to sell about 25-30% more season tickets to make up for the lost revenue...
Is that likely? Probably not. So I can see where the club comes from.
Bigger towns and fan bases probably have more "elasticity" in their prices because a marketing push etc would probably result in higher sales.
I note villa do this... Billboards all over Lichfield, adverts all over the trains, the radio, etc. Because they can afford to.
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Post by mikeyboy on May 15, 2019 16:04:27 GMT
I said it before and will do again. To adopt the āBradford modelā weād have to have far more food and drink outlets and sell stuff at extortionate prices whilst people are in the ground. Creating a captive audience like a service station on the motorway and selling goods at prices way over the odds. We havenāt got the facilities for that.
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