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Post by sinfinbovril on Jan 18, 2019 19:04:20 GMT
I would say that Jake Buxton has been a great asset to this club in both spells here and his performances this season have been at least above average. As for Bywater, well it is clear he is second choice now. I don't think Bywater should get a game, solely based on his stupid hair. Having said that, Adam McGurk scored a few important goals. |
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Post by swaddy Dave on Jan 19, 2019 10:06:50 GMT
I would say that Jake Buxton has been a great asset to this club in both spells here and his performances this season have been at least above average. As for Bywater, well it is clear he is second choice now.
Having said that, Adam McGurk scored a few important goals. I don't know, he might be better at centre back than he is in goal!  |
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 19, 2019 11:35:29 GMT
At this precise moment of the season, and not looking ahead to the summer, I'd be quite happy with any four of them. I think if I saw Bucko & Brayf, I'd say that's maybe the least strong pair but Bucko has been great this season. They all have. Best this season (for me) has been Kyle because he's been bringing the ball out of defence and he seems to be the starting point for the passing game we play. If you'd have asked me the same question a year ago, it'd have been a completely different answer, when I only rated Ben at CB. I think Buxton will be paired with Kyle tomorrow if the gaffas criticism of Turner and Brayford following the Gills game is to be followed through. However, the gaffas strange criticisms today on penalties given away suggest Buxton and Kyle are a risky combination whereas I dont think Turner has given a penalty away since hes been here and I dont think Brayford has since returning from Sheff Utd. In summary, theres nothing like a gaffa giving players confidence is there? Oh dear not having a pop at the manager again are we, When you destroy the foundations the house will fall,question who should play centre back. Poor old ilson gave you a thread for your pathetic rants please try to stick to it. Your rambling on about the manager, give it a rest.. or at least use ilsons thread |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 12:22:34 GMT
I think Buxton will be paired with Kyle tomorrow if the gaffas criticism of Turner and Brayford following the Gills game is to be followed through. However, the gaffas strange criticisms today on penalties given away suggest Buxton and Kyle are a risky combination whereas I dont think Turner has given a penalty away since hes been here and I dont think Brayford has since returning from Sheff Utd. In summary, theres nothing like a gaffa giving players confidence is there? Oh dear not having a pop at the manager again are we, When you destroy the foundations the house will fall,question who should play centre back. Poor old ilson gave you a thread for your pathetic rants please try to stick to it. Your rambling on about the manager, give it a rest.. or at least use ilsons thread The problem for you is I meet be a bit to close to the truth and being the dedicated blinkered supporter you are the truth sometimes hurts. My above post isnt a rant you clot its based on NC’S interviews. Has he not publicly criticised all his centre backs this week? The problem for NC is that the actual result facts dont add up do they? He fingers Turner after the Gills game but for the life of me I couldnt see where he was at fault for the goals. Turner has won 42% of the league games hes played this season a better record than the club as a whole, he hasnt condeded a penalty in two and half seasons but he is apparently is one of the centre backs whos holding back?  Nige makes it up as he goes along his man management skills have been tested after last saturdays frustrating result and hes come up short. Hes untouchable at our club because of his past record but Unfortunately he will drive players away if he diesnt get hold of himself. It might start this January? |
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 19, 2019 12:40:45 GMT
After 20 years he makes it up ? ,5 players sign new contracts,look at some facts, close to the truth you are having a laugh.
you mistake criticism for facts ,we are conceding to many penalties
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 18:20:22 GMT
After 20 years he makes it up ? ,5 players sign new contracts,look at some facts, close to the truth you are having a laugh. you mistake criticism for facts ,we are conceding to many penalties You clearly have not got a clue about the unwritten rules in any football club. Let me try and explain the point i have tried to make this week because it has clearly not gone down well with you. Criticism, balling at players if you will any naming names after a game are for the dressing room in any club and whats said in their stays in there. Criticism of the team and areas of the team as group like the defence or the midfield not being strong enough good enough etc are the normal way a manager expresses his displeasure to the press but it is normally expressed about the group when talking to the press not aimed at individuals. Do you understand that now? That is how things are done. NC however thinks he can say what he likes when he likes about any if his players and he is untouchable and he probably is but it does not make it right. |
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Post by emnez on Jan 19, 2019 18:58:37 GMT
After 20 years he makes it up ? ,5 players sign new contracts,look at some facts, close to the truth you are having a laugh. you mistake criticism for facts ,we are conceding to many penalties You clearly have not got a clue about the unwritten rules in any football club. Let me try and explain the point i have tried to make this week because it has clearly not gone down well with you. Criticism, balling at players if you will any naming names after a game are for the dressing room in any club and whats said in their stays in there. Criticism of the team and areas of the team as group like the defence or the midfield not being strong enough good enough etc are the normal way a manager expresses his displeasure to the press but it is normally expressed about the group when talking to the press not aimed at individuals. Do you understand that now? That is how things are done. NC however thinks he can say what he likes when he likes about any if his players and he is untouchable and he probably is but it does not make it right. Brays hasn't taken it to bad Royston. !! |
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 19, 2019 19:14:42 GMT
After 20 years he makes it up ? ,5 players sign new contracts,look at some facts, close to the truth you are having a laugh. you mistake criticism for facts ,we are conceding to many penalties You clearly have not got a clue about the unwritten rules in any football club. Let me try and explain the point i have tried to make this week because it has clearly not gone down well with you. Criticism, balling at players if you will any naming names after a game are for the dressing room in any club and whats said in their stays in there. Criticism of the team and areas of the team as group like the defence or the midfield not being strong enough good enough etc are the normal way a manager expresses his displeasure to the press but it is normally expressed about the group when talking to the press not aimed at individuals. Do you understand that now? That is how things are done. NC however thinks he can say what he likes when he likes about any if his players and he is untouchable and he probably is but it does not make it right. The players are grown men. NC doesn’t say anything to the media that he hasn’t or wouldn’t say to their faces. If they can’t take a bit of criticism either in the dressing room or in public they shouldn’t be playing the game. Are you seriously trying to say that the likes of Nigel’s dad or Sir Alex Ferguson never bawled a player out in public? Quinn has come in for criticism for conceding penalties. Signs new contract. Plenty more have grown and matured as players after Clough’s ‘tough love’ approach. You might not like it but it hasn’t served him too badly over 20 odd years in the management game. He used to openly criticise Ryan Austin and Aaron Webster. They didn’t seem to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:34:02 GMT
You clearly have not got a clue about the unwritten rules in any football club. Let me try and explain the point i have tried to make this week because it has clearly not gone down well with you. Criticism, balling at players if you will any naming names after a game are for the dressing room in any club and whats said in their stays in there. Criticism of the team and areas of the team as group like the defence or the midfield not being strong enough good enough etc are the normal way a manager expresses his displeasure to the press but it is normally expressed about the group when talking to the press not aimed at individuals. Do you understand that now? That is how things are done. NC however thinks he can say what he likes when he likes about any if his players and he is untouchable and he probably is but it does not make it right. The players are grown men. NC doesn’t say anything to the media that he hasn’t or wouldn’t say to their faces. If they can’t take a bit of criticism either in the dressing room or in public they shouldn’t be playing the game. Are you seriously trying to say that the likes of Nigel’s dad or Sir Alex Ferguson never bawled a player out in public? Quinn has come in for criticism for conceding penalties. Signs new contract. Plenty more have grown and matured as players after Clough’s ‘tough love’ approach. You might not like it but it hasn’t served him too badly over 20 odd years in the management game. He used to openly criticise Ryan Austin and Aaron Webster. They didn’t seem to mind. I grant you that you have named two more managers who were also untouchable but they are rare indeed. Perhaps you might consider what happened to one of the most successful managers if the last 15 years, Mourinho who rubbished his playing staff at Real madrid.... sacked then did it again at Man Utd..... sacked. It doesnt work even at the biggest clubs but as I have said NC is untouchable and any player who takes him on here will regret it such is his power and control. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:20:18 GMT
The players are grown men. NC doesn’t say anything to the media that he hasn’t or wouldn’t say to their faces. If they can’t take a bit of criticism either in the dressing room or in public they shouldn’t be playing the game. Are you seriously trying to say that the likes of Nigel’s dad or Sir Alex Ferguson never bawled a player out in public? Quinn has come in for criticism for conceding penalties. Signs new contract. Plenty more have grown and matured as players after Clough’s ‘tough love’ approach. You might not like it but it hasn’t served him too badly over 20 odd years in the management game. He used to openly criticise Ryan Austin and Aaron Webster. They didn’t seem to mind. I grant you that you have named two more managers who were also untouchable but they are rare indeed. Perhaps you might consider what happened to one of the most successful managers if the last 15 years, Mourinho who rubbished his playing staff at Real madrid.... sacked then did it again at Man Utd..... sacked. It doesnt work even at the biggest clubs but as I have said NC is untouchable and any player who takes him on here will regret it such is his power and control. Where is your evidence that he is 'untouchable'? Ben has sacked managers in the past, Pesch was sacked. But Ben has also been extremely loyal and patient to all the managers who have worked for him. That characteristic should be applauded not criticised. Clough's record on his return is very good, promotion to the Championship, survival for a season, and stability upon relegation. The only other club anything approaching our size to get promotion to the Championship, Yeovil, bombed out and went straight to League Two and very nearly went bust. So, what is it you want? |
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 20, 2019 8:01:28 GMT
In the first half hour yesterday I actually thought I saw one of the most dominant and best displays by a Burton Albion side in 50 years of watching. You could only describe it as awesome to out football a decent side like Rovers in that way.
We aren’t quite the finished product yet as we can’t do it for the whole game and we are conceding too easily as we saw against Gillingham and Doncaster. But we aren’t far off and for me this side can be better than the side that took us up. So yes what do people want and why are there still the little digs and criticism?
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Post by cbh1 on Jan 20, 2019 9:03:22 GMT
The players are grown men. NC doesn’t say anything to the media that he hasn’t or wouldn’t say to their faces. If they can’t take a bit of criticism either in the dressing room or in public they shouldn’t be playing the game. Are you seriously trying to say that the likes of Nigel’s dad or Sir Alex Ferguson never bawled a player out in public? Quinn has come in for criticism for conceding penalties. Signs new contract. Plenty more have grown and matured as players after Clough’s ‘tough love’ approach. You might not like it but it hasn’t served him too badly over 20 odd years in the management game. He used to openly criticise Ryan Austin and Aaron Webster. They didn’t seem to mind. I grant you that you have named two more managers who were also untouchable but they are rare indeed. Perhaps you might consider what happened to one of the most successful managers if the last 15 years, Mourinho who rubbished his playing staff at Real madrid.... sacked then did it again at Man Utd..... sacked. It doesnt work even at the biggest clubs but as I have said NC is untouchable and any player who takes him on here will regret it such is his power and control. If you think that Mourinho’s downfall was down to his treatment of players to the media then you are sadly deluded. His tactical inflexibility at clubs who expect a certain standard is what cost him ultimately. I’ve seen plenty of managers criticise players and they come back stronger. Remind me again. How many players that Nigel has upset have left the club and gone on to better things? You talk about blinkered people on here. Seems to me that you, Royston, fall into that category. I don’t agree with every decision the manager makes but given his experience over so many years I trust him when I look at the wider picture. |
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Post by insideleft on Jan 20, 2019 9:06:02 GMT
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 20, 2019 14:20:15 GMT
royston utterly deluded ===i can live with that, Who should play centre back Buxton and Brayford--Why the manager says so,
Mourinho--Porto=Benfica=Chelsea--Inter Milan=Real Madrid=Chelsea=Manchester Utd,, 5 of the top clubs in the world who condone the manager speaking his mind;
other wise would not have employed him.. your comments are antiquated,totally out of date and certainly blinkered,
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 20, 2019 14:43:12 GMT
It’s funny that the anti Clough brigade don’t want to post on Ilson’s thread. They prefer little digs in the safety of other threads but we all know they are just biding their time for the chance to pounce or instigate another Nigel Out Poll. God knows why when we are playing as well as we are - it must be hellishly frustrating for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 16:41:07 GMT
It’s funny that the anti Clough brigade don’t want to post on Ilson’s thread. They prefer little digs in the safety of other threads but we all know they are just biding their time for the chance to pounce or instigate another Nigel Out Poll. God knows why when we are playing as well as we are - it must be hellishly frustrating for them. Er ......I suppose the reason I am posting on this thread is because I actually started..... jesus whats that old saying “and some fell on stoney ground?” |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 16:47:45 GMT
royston utterly deluded ===i can live with that, Who should play centre back Buxton and Brayford--Why the manager says so, Mourinho--Porto=Benfica=Chelsea--Inter Milan=Real Madrid=Chelsea=Manchester Utd,, 5 of the top clubs in the world who condone the manager speaking his mind; other wise would not have employed him.. your comments are antiquated,totally out of date and certainly blinkered, In case you had forgotten Mourinho was sacked from many of them and ended up at many in total denial of his mistakes, bit like someone else I know and in open conflict with his players?? in terms of who plays centre back for our club yes it is the gaffas call no one is saying it isnt and he will be judged on it. |
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Post by mikeyboy on Jan 20, 2019 17:22:03 GMT
royston utterly deluded ===i can live with that, Who should play centre back Buxton and Brayford--Why the manager says so, Mourinho--Porto=Benfica=Chelsea--Inter Milan=Real Madrid=Chelsea=Manchester Utd,, 5 of the top clubs in the world who condone the manager speaking his mind; other wise would not have employed him.. your comments are antiquated,totally out of date and certainly blinkered, In case you had forgotten Mourinho was sacked from many of them and ended up at many in total denial of his mistakes, bit like someone else I know and in open conflict with his players?? in terms of who plays centre back for our club yes it is the gaffas call no one is saying it isnt and he will be judged on it. Well you certainly judge him Royston....unfavourably. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:43:15 GMT
One of the posters on this thread reckoned even if Boyce got twenty we'd still only score 40-44 in total all season.
Bless him.
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Post by bobgauden on Jan 20, 2019 18:57:24 GMT
One of the posters on this thread reckoned even if Boyce got twenty we'd still only score 40-44 in total all season. Bless him. And? That's the problem around here. Too many grown men wetting themselves over opinion. |
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