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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 13, 2019 17:34:48 GMT
Ive given him and much more importantly the team lots of support this season but it seems to me that on many occasions when we dont get a fair rub of the green the manger resorts to petulant criticism of induviduals and or the team. It is never NC fault no matter how we line up or who he plays? That is my issue Agreed. Sorry i am very frustrated about sat, but posts like this annoy me,we are all down and sickened about the result ,the manager has gave his thoughts on the game,that is part of his job. Now mistakes have been made on the pitch, 3 goals conceded to a team totally battered with over 30 opportunities to score takes some explaining. and you blaming the manager is a beyond a joke.He was not on the pitch.Looking at the game we had a team more than capable,of beating Gillingham.And May is the time to judge a season. we still stand in the top half of league 1. and to maintain this position will be our priority.Nice to see silly season back N-C bashing. Players out of position, rubbish ,the manager decides what job a player does,anything else is just a fans opinion.Stop bleating about top 6 we ain't got the cash for players needed And clubs respect our club, playing little old Burton dont wash no more in the lower leagues , 3 seasons coping with our wage bill and transfer budget,is enough for any man to take. Rowett;2 years==J=F=H 1 year==neither lasted long soon jumped ship.with the chairman's blessing he knows what a challenge the Brewers are,Clough has spent 10 successful years with the club And been back since 2015 leading the club to unbelievable heights, even now 11th in league 1 and a major cup semi final. no one agrees with Clough in all his decisions but unlike you,we respect he knows more than us. And unlike you we admire his love for the club,And show our gratitude for the job he does,in unrealistic circumstances,he was the one to turn down Forest.What other manager would do that. Because of people like you broomo has left the building with your Mindless comments. Not long before Clough gets fed up with You Negative nellies.And Ben just gives up. i hope he sustains us in league 1,then moves to where the money is good
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 13, 2019 17:41:44 GMT
I know this has come up before. When did you last here ANY manager say "Yeah - we lost. I don't know what I'm doing. The players were great; I'm an idiot." I know it's stretching a little bit................but if John Terry had scored that penalty in Moscow, Avram Grant would have kept his job. Ludicrous. You pick players and you expect them to do a job. But he missed, cried and then lost - it was one of the most beautiful moments in football history. PS I rarely listen to after match interviews. I was there - I know what happened. I have no idea what if what you have posted is relevant to the main point I have made but if it is its probably lost on me 😱 !! I know what he has posted he says you are talking rubbish---players affect games
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Post by colstoncrawford on Jan 13, 2019 17:48:49 GMT
As it happens, he blamed himself for not thinking to ask for the game to be put back a day...
as for blaming players, he's not saying anything he wouldn't say to their faces. (Back when I was reporting on them, more than one player made that point to me). They're grown ups. They can take it.
Yes, Trevor, it does astonish me that a man can so openly and for such a long time do so much for a club and still people think he doesn't know what he's doing, in the face of overwhelming evidence. As I said elsewhere, I thought he got it wrong withdrawing Lucas from an attacking role yesterday but no-one gets everything wrong.
I'll tell you what though, the day either he or Ben gives up will never, ever be as a result of half a dozen people with blinkers on hammering them on social media.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 18:01:33 GMT
Sorry i am very frustrated about sat, but posts like this annoy me,we are all down and sickened about the result ,the manager has gave his thoughts on the game,that is part of his job. Now mistakes have been made on the pitch, 3 goals conceded to a team totally battered with over 30 opportunities to score takes some explaining. and you blaming the manager is a beyond a joke.He was not on the pitch.Looking at the game we had a team more than capable,of beating Gillingham.And May is the time to judge a season. we still stand in the top half of league 1. and to maintain this position will be our priority.Nice to see silly season back N-C bashing. Players out of position, rubbish ,the manager decides what job a player does,anything else is just a fans opinion.Stop bleating about top 6 we ain't got the cash for players needed And clubs respect our club, playing little old Burton dont wash no more in the lower leagues , 3 seasons coping with our wage bill and transfer budget,is enough for any man to take. Rowett;2 years==J=F=H 1 year==neither lasted long soon jumped ship.with the chairman's blessing he knows what a challenge the Brewers are,Clough has spent 10 successful years with the club And been back since 2015 leading the club to unbelievable heights, even now 11th in league 1 and a major cup semi final. no one agrees with Clough in all his decisions but unlike you,we respect he knows more than us. And unlike you we admire his love for the club,And show our gratitude for the job he does,in unrealistic circumstances,he was the one to turn down Forest.What other manager would do that. Because of people like you broomo has left the building with your Mindless comments. Not long before Clough gets fed up with You Negative nellies.And Ben just gives up. i hope he sustains us in league 1,then moves to where the money is good Here we have it , as I said, some NC sycophants like yourself cannot objectively read and understand any po8nt of view which is critical of the manager or club. Its really pathetic. I am not going to respond to the normal spiel about 10 successful yearsetc etc. What I will respond to is your wierd opinion that the manager was giving thoughts about the game? He wasnt he was slagging his own players off in public and acting like a spoilt kid. Rubbishing his defence naming individuals whilst doing it, sarcastically taking the mickey out of his fowards players needing 40 chances to win a game and looking for scapegoats to hide his frustration. if you really think Some if NC’s team selections have not cost us results this season and other seasons you are deluded!! Finally dont threaten me or any other supporter with the long term survival of our club because we criticise certain situations that come up from time to time. As i said and you can check if you wish i have acknowledged goos results, good management decisions and congratulated those responsible incl NC. What I will not do ...... ever...... is be silenced when criticism is well founded and in this case it is, I say again any manager who publicly criticises individual players is out of order and should be counselled not to go diwn that road. What is said in the dressing room should stay in it. NC showed a lack of judgement yesterday in my opinion
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 13, 2019 18:21:22 GMT
Gillingham taking 6 points of Burton is shocking,we need to take points of teams like these with only double our fan base we have to compete with these clubs. On the match still in shock. Clough knows this is not good enough .and with Doncaster on sat away losing another 3 points could put us in a relegation scrap. Same problem lack of goals==poor defending== how we conceded 3 goals is beyond belief 12 goals in 2 games our goalkeeper must be dizzy. Lets start from scratch im mid week s,Clough has to make us harder to beat.Me first job a 6ft plus central mid field to protect our central defenders. 4 clubs picked up maximum points below us from 13 Gillingham was one and 5 picked up a point. .Still in top half of the table so still all to play for. The result on sat was a shock,and we need to take positives out of it. Clough certainly has a job to do.
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Post by colstoncrawford on Jan 13, 2019 18:24:58 GMT
You don't get, do you, that you're just the polar opposite of the "sycophants" you (wrongly in my opinion) accuse other people of being?
You go off on one if someone disagrees with you. Nobody's silencing you. Why do you think someone's trying to "silence" you when they have a different view to yours? It's not the case.
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Post by annable on Jan 13, 2019 19:02:52 GMT
Whilst I am a firm believer that we win as a team and lose as a team and that includes the manager if we are looking to blame somebody for yesterday's defeat it would be very unfair in my opinion to point the finger at Nigel and I say that as somebody who has been critical of him at times in the past regarding team performance and tactics. Yesterday, however, it would be harsh to point the finger at him.
Looking at the facts as I see them you could argue that apart from Ben Fox everybody in the starting eleven was in their current favoured position. That includes John Brayford where it has been acknowledged that his days as a right back are numbered as he struggles to get up and down the pitch quickly enough now which is down to his age and fitness and hence the signing of a new right back.
I don't think you could really criticise the two substitutions with Templeton for Miller which was like for like and Clarke for Fox. OK I get that Clarke could have played right back and left Lucas where he was but at that time in the game Lucas was getting forward regardless of whether he was right back or right midfield so it didn't make too much difference in my opinion.
At the end of the day we played well enough overall to win and it was down to individual errors by certain players that costs us and that's at both ends of the pitch. The way I see it the manager picks the team and sets us up to play in a certain way and at the moment that is in a very positive way, maybe the most attacking and positive we have been since our first season in the football league under Pesch.
The only criticism I had yesterday was actually after it went two two we went too gung ho and risked being picked off when we had loads of time to get the winning goal and although it was exciting it was slightly too frantic.
The good news for me is that normally it is easier to coach a team to be better defensively than it is to become a free flowing attacking side so hopefully with a bit of focus we and maybe a couple of changes in personnel it should be easy to solve as we are definitely more than capable of doing so.
Still reasons to be optimistic where the frustrating thing is that we have seen how good we can be and in my opinion that's one of the best teams in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 19:08:43 GMT
You don't get, do you, that you're just the polar opposite of the "sycophants" you (wrongly in my opinion) accuse other people of being? You go off on one if someone disagrees with you. Nobody's silencing you. Why do you think someone's trying to "silence" you when they have a different view to yours? It's not the case. Oh the irony of the point you make? Can I politely suggest that if you had sent a similar post to Broomo a few months ago and if he had taken the thrust of your point on board he would probably have learnt a leason if everytime a poster is critical of the manager he or she are criticised themself for doing so we really are at a low. What I suggest you do is read Trevors post again.
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Post by sinfinbovril on Jan 13, 2019 19:57:02 GMT
We're allowed to disagree with each other.
Anyone who disagrees with that.....well.....
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 13, 2019 20:52:37 GMT
We're allowed to disagree with each other. Anyone who disagrees with that.....well..... I disagree. 😁
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Post by colstoncrawford on Jan 13, 2019 20:54:07 GMT
You don't get, do you, that you're just the polar opposite of the "sycophants" you (wrongly in my opinion) accuse other people of being? You go off on one if someone disagrees with you. Nobody's silencing you. Why do you think someone's trying to "silence" you when they have a different view to yours? It's not the case. Oh the irony of the point you make? Can I politely suggest that if you had sent a similar post to Broomo a few months ago and if he had taken the thrust of your point on board he would probably have learnt a leason if everytime a poster is critical of the manager he or she are criticised themself for doing so we really are at a low. What I suggest you do is read Trevors post again. You're intent on missing my point (of course). However, I do take one of yours. I could just as easily have made the same point to Broomo, granted.
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Post by trevor1946 on Jan 14, 2019 10:52:42 GMT
Oh the irony of the point you make? Can I politely suggest that if you had sent a similar post to Broomo a few months ago and if he had taken the thrust of your point on board he would probably have learnt a leason if everytime a poster is critical of the manager he or she are criticised themself for doing so we really are at a low. What I suggest you do is read Trevors post again. You're intent on missing my point (of course). However, I do take one of yours. I could just as easily have made the same point to Broomo, granted. Being critical of the manager after a bad result,is just tasteless,especially after battering the opposition, in your world,we look at the positives, Miller improved 2nd half==Akins tried==Boyce did well and hit the bar. Midfield dominated. Collins had little to do, Defence for the most part looked solid ,Gillingham were just lucky , Clarke looked promising. We don't need players in January Just after defend a bit better.and take our chances the other end .[groundhog day] after only 27 games my message is getting through to the players.and our fans will show patience i am sure. Now this would annoy me, but would keep all our cock ups in the dressing room,because the fans are gullible and will swallow it. The manager did not lose to Gillingham,the fans did not. The players get the glory and the flack .And Clough says it how he sees it,- Long may it continue , come may he alone will responsible to the club and Chairman.
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Post by bobgauden on Jan 14, 2019 13:50:42 GMT
You're intent on missing my point (of course). However, I do take one of yours. I could just as easily have made the same point to Broomo, granted. Being critical of the manager after a bad result,is just tasteless,especially after battering the opposition, in your world,we look at the positives, Miller improved 2nd half==Akins tried==Boyce did well and hit the bar. Midfield dominated. Collins had little to do, Defence for the most part looked solid ,Gillingham were just lucky , Clarke looked promising. We don't need players in January Just after defend a bit better.and take our chances the other end .[groundhog day] after only 27 games my message is getting through to the players.and our fans will show patience i am sure. Now this would annoy me, but would keep all our cock ups in the dressing room,because the fans are gullible and will swallow it. The manager did not lose to Gillingham,the fans did not. The players get the glory and the flack .And Clough says it how he sees it,- Long may it continue , come may he alone will responsible to the club and Chairman. 'Our defenders just have to defend a bit better' . That's an understatement, if it was that easy then why is it taking us so long to get sorted? I agree with Nigel. Defenders didn't do their jobs, strikers couldn't do theirs. Not sure what more Nigel could have done to be honest. However we are in the window of opportunity to attempt to put things right and to me that starts at centre back.
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 14, 2019 15:10:13 GMT
Being critical of the manager after a bad result,is just tasteless,especially after battering the opposition, in your world,we look at the positives, Miller improved 2nd half==Akins tried==Boyce did well and hit the bar. Midfield dominated. Collins had little to do, Defence for the most part looked solid ,Gillingham were just lucky , Clarke looked promising. We don't need players in January Just after defend a bit better.and take our chances the other end .[groundhog day] after only 27 games my message is getting through to the players.and our fans will show patience i am sure. Now this would annoy me, but would keep all our cock ups in the dressing room,because the fans are gullible and will swallow it. The manager did not lose to Gillingham,the fans did not. The players get the glory and the flack .And Clough says it how he sees it,- Long may it continue , come may he alone will responsible to the club and Chairman. 'Our defenders just have to defend a bit better' . That's an understatement, if it was that easy then why is it taking us so long to get sorted? I agree with Nigel. Defenders didn't do their jobs, strikers couldn't do theirs. Not sure what more Nigel could have done to be honest. However we are in the window of opportunity to attempt to put things right and to me that starts at centre back. On that basis our midfield is bloody wonderful 😁
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 15:52:24 GMT
Being critical of the manager after a bad result,is just tasteless,especially after battering the opposition, in your world,we look at the positives, Miller improved 2nd half==Akins tried==Boyce did well and hit the bar. Midfield dominated. Collins had little to do, Defence for the most part looked solid ,Gillingham were just lucky , Clarke looked promising. We don't need players in January Just after defend a bit better.and take our chances the other end .[groundhog day] after only 27 games my message is getting through to the players.and our fans will show patience i am sure. Now this would annoy me, but would keep all our cock ups in the dressing room,because the fans are gullible and will swallow it. The manager did not lose to Gillingham,the fans did not. The players get the glory and the flack .And Clough says it how he sees it,- Long may it continue , come may he alone will responsible to the club and Chairman. 'Our defenders just have to defend a bit better' . That's an understatement, if it was that easy then why is it taking us so long to get sorted? I agree with Nigel. Defenders didn't do their jobs, strikers couldn't do theirs. Not sure what more Nigel could have done to be honest. However we are in the window of opportunity to attempt to put things right and to me that starts at centre back. Yep thats right the defenders didnt do their jobs on saturday. Even though the second goal was a penalty and the third a Gills midfielder not tracked by our midfield was left unmarked in the penalty box and scored and yep Jake didnt do his, Kyle didnt do his either but forget about them, NC is bringing in a new centre back because although we already have 4 under contract ( assuming NC as recently as friday told us Brayford is going to play centre back) we are going to have another one!! It looks utterley ridiculous doesnt it? And of course it is. Its NC showing his frustration at what happened Saturday. Like I said its not good to criticise players publicly born out of frustration and if I were Jake or Kyle I would be thinking what have I done wrong?
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Post by bancroft on Jan 14, 2019 17:05:26 GMT
will be interesting to see if Quinn gets his deal renewed or not. i think it expires after this weekend. one could probably argue that for as good as Quinn has been when he is on the ball, he's also cost us some goals/not protected the back four enough. i like him and hope he stays but maybe NC will be looking to upgrade in his position too
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Post by annable on Jan 14, 2019 17:16:17 GMT
will be interesting to see if Quinn gets his deal renewed or not. i think it expires after this weekend. one could probably argue that for as good as Quinn has been when he is on the ball, he's also cost us some goals/not protected the back four enough. i like him and hope he stays but maybe NC will be looking to upgrade in his position too I also hope he stays as he has been key in how we have played post Oxford this season. Regardless of his few mistakes I would go as far as saying he is one of the best quality players ever to pull on an Albion shirt and it would be almost impossible for a club if our limited resources to upgrade Quinn. We actually dropped on very lucky that a player of his quality was without a club and that he knew Nigel who was brave enough to give him a short team deal. If we lost him after his deal expires I would suspect it would severely weaken us as a side. I just think he is that important.
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Post by NobodyGood on Jan 14, 2019 17:39:06 GMT
will be interesting to see if Quinn gets his deal renewed or not. i think it expires after this weekend. one could probably argue that for as good as Quinn has been when he is on the ball, he's also cost us some goals/not protected the back four enough. i like him and hope he stays but maybe NC will be looking to upgrade in his position too I also hope he stays as he has been key in how we have played post Oxford this season. Regardless of his few mistakes I would go as far as saying he is one of the best quality players ever to pull on an Albion shirt and it would be almost impossible for a club if our limited resources to upgrade Quinn. We actually dropped on very lucky that a player of his quality was without a club and that he knew Nigel who was brave enough to give him a short team deal. If we lost him after his deal expires I would suspect it would severely weaken us as a side. I just think he is that important. I agree he's a very important player for us. But nobody is irreplaceable, davenport came in January last season and was great
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Post by fergo on Jan 14, 2019 19:47:10 GMT
I also hope he stays as he has been key in how we have played post Oxford this season. Regardless of his few mistakes I would go as far as saying he is one of the best quality players ever to pull on an Albion shirt and it would be almost impossible for a club if our limited resources to upgrade Quinn. We actually dropped on very lucky that a player of his quality was without a club and that he knew Nigel who was brave enough to give him a short team deal. If we lost him after his deal expires I would suspect it would severely weaken us as a side. I just think he is that important. I agree he's a very important player for us. But nobody is irreplaceable, davenport came in January last season and was great If you watch Quinn during a game he doesn't do anything flash but gets the ball and always finds that extra second on the ball before picking a pass, a sign of a quality player who has played at the top level. The whole Man City team made that look easy last week! I hope he stays.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 0:02:41 GMT
Being critical of the manager after a bad result,is just tasteless,especially after battering the opposition, in your world,we look at the positives, Miller improved 2nd half==Akins tried==Boyce did well and hit the bar. Midfield dominated. Collins had little to do, Defence for the most part looked solid ,Gillingham were just lucky , Clarke looked promising. We don't need players in January Just after defend a bit better.and take our chances the other end .[groundhog day] after only 27 games my message is getting through to the players.and our fans will show patience i am sure. Now this would annoy me, but would keep all our cock ups in the dressing room,because the fans are gullible and will swallow it. The manager did not lose to Gillingham,the fans did not. The players get the glory and the flack .And Clough says it how he sees it,- Long may it continue , come may he alone will responsible to the club and Chairman. 'Our defenders just have to defend a bit better' . That's an understatement, if it was that easy then why is it taking us so long to get sorted? I agree with Nigel. Defenders didn't do their jobs, strikers couldn't do theirs. Not sure what more Nigel could have done to be honest. However we are in the window of opportunity to attempt to put things right and to me that starts at centre back. Like I said in another thread NC is the manager and must take resposibility for the team on the pitch. What he shouldnt do is publicly criticise players using assertions and stats which are at best inaccurate and at wirst plain wrong. It can turn supporters off players and damage their confidence
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